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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:49:20 No.33200997 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33201025 >>33201041 >>33201059 >>33201095

>The Conkeldurr suspect has reached a 80% majority, meaning Conkeldurr is now BL.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-uu-stage-2-1-voting.3611129/page-3#post-7458651

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:51:51 No.33201025 Report

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>>33200997
F

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:53:06 No.33201041 Report

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>>33200997
What pushed it over the edge? Does it run Z-moves or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:53:38 No.33201046 Report

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That makes 19 in BL
2 more than last gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:54:12 No.33201048 Report

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Fuck smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:54:16 No.33201050 Report

Quoted By: >>33201063

Good, now Machamp is good in 1 tier and Conleldurr is good in 0 tiers.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:55:06 No.33201059 Report

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>>33200997

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:55:21 No.33201063 Report

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>>33201041
Burn nerf means running Guts Flame Orb has basically no opportunity cost.
>>33201050
Don't kid yourself, Machamp is next in NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:57:34 No.33201083 Report

Quoted By: >>33201093 >>33204247

Time for Decidueye to shine now that Conkeldurr is gone.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:58:48 No.33201093 Report

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>>33201083
t. buttblasted owlcuck

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 16:58:57 No.33201095 Report

Quoted By: >>33201378 >>33201460 >>33208164

>>33200997
Don't forget, you're here forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:01:41 No.33201120 Report

Quoted By: >>33201130 >>33201322 >>33201720 >>33203262

is there any chance the champ can take conk's role in UU or is that too delusional?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:02:56 No.33201130 Report

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>>33201120
Two entirely different roles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:04:27 No.33201154 Report

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>>33201130
but they're always called too similar or the same pokemon only one is an upgrade so which is the truth

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:26:32 No.33201322 Report

Quoted By: >>33201478

>>33201120
Delusional, considering that Machamp is just good enough for NU

>>33201154
Conkeldurr has Drain Punch for recovery and Mach Punch for STAB priority, but Machamp has Close Combat and Superpower

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:33:15 No.33201378 Report

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>>33201095
it's pretty impressive that with the amount of shit dropping from ou that staraptor has stayed in bl with no changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:42:00 No.33201460 Report

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>>33201095
what niche could starraptor fill that would put it in OU? tangrowth/bulu killer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:43:10 No.33201478 Report

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>>33201322
>just good enough for NU
but smogonfags told me usage has nothing to do with viability? What is the truth

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 17:51:41 No.33201554 Report

Quoted By: >>33201744 >>33201763

>>33201460
The Bravest Bird niche since Talonflame is kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 18:15:09 No.33201720 Report

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>>33201120
Heracross would be the next best Guts Flame Orb Fighting type.

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 18:18:07 No.33201744 Report

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>>33201554
Are you so sure? Just for your knowledge Staraptor is unranked in OU. Meanwhile Bravest Bird is still viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 18:19:17 No.33201751 Report

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>>33201478
You can use a mon like Machamp in any tier above PU, but it usually won't be the best option

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 18:20:57 No.33201763 Report

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>>33201554
>>33201744
Pic related is the bravest bird now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 20:36:58 No.33202827 Report

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>>33201763
>UU

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 20:38:57 No.33202852 Report

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>>33201744
>nerfed to shit
>anti-priority is rampant
>still ranked in OU
I guess you just can't keep a brave bird down

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 21:35:16 No.33203262 Report

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>>33201120
confusion nerf hurt his ass too much, and his niche is garbage at this point. not enough bulk for a guts set, either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 23:01:41 No.33203813 Report

Quoted By: >>33204120 >>33206608

>>33201720
Uhh why Machamp has higher attack and Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 23:33:01 No.33204018 Report

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>>33202827

t. hasn't played OU ladder in the last month

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Anonymous Fri 04 Aug 2017 23:52:29 No.33204120 Report

Quoted By: >>33204626

>>33203813
>Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross
Actually.....
>+2 252 Atk Guts Heracross Facade (140 BP) vs. 52 HP / 0 Def Buzzwole: 334-394 (90.7 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Get fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 00:00:53 No.33204166 Report

Quoted By: >>33204263

>>33201744

Is this saying araquanid and shuckle are OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 00:09:47 No.33204247 Report

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>>33201083
>Thinking that just because Conkeldurr is gone it means owlcuck will shine
Believe whatever you want to believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 00:10:55 No.33204263 Report

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>>33204166
They're viable in OU. They're not in OU by usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 00:52:19 No.33204626 Report

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>>33204120
Why dont you add -6 def to Buzzwole to guarantee that OHKO and maybe throw in Paralysis or Sleep on Buzzwole too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 06:11:08 No.33206465 Report

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>>33201720
>less attack and less HP
Uhuh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 06:47:32 No.33206608 Report

Quoted By: >>33207022

>>33203813

>Uhh why Machamp has higher attack 130 base attack over 125, hardly a big difference. Meanwhile Heracross is significantly faster and has access to things like STAB Megahorn and Swords Dance.
>and Buzzwole completely cockblocks Heracross
Buzzwole is banned and it's not like it doesn't cockblock Machamp either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 08:34:16 No.33207022 Report

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>>33206608
The difference is magnified when Guts kicks in though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 08:40:46 No.33207050 Report

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>smogonshit
>low tier shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 09:21:21 No.33207218 Report

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>>33207022
It's almost unnoticeable.
252+ Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 322-381 (94.4 - 111.7%)
252+ Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jirachi: 313-370 (91.7 - 108.5%)

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 11:14:18 No.33207647 Report

Quoted By: >>33208111

>>33204626
>Buzzwole completely stops Heracross!
>Avtually, it just needs one turn to boost its attack, with the one boosting move any non-scarf Heracross carries
>NU-UH, THAT'S UNFAIR AND IS NOTHING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN IN A GAME
How's it going Verlis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 12:44:03 No.33208111 Report

Quoted By: >>33208203 >>33208232 >>33208634 >>33208855

>>33207647
your scenario plays out Heracross being able to boost AND attack like Buzzwole is just sitting there waiting to get fucked

also
>252 Atk Choice Band Buzzwole Aerial Ace vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heracross: 524-620 (174 - 205.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 12:53:00 No.33208164 Report

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>>33201095
it's getting closer though. when they did the latest test most raptors were limited to scarf because the speed creep finally caught up to it. Its Close Combat is actually piss weak but it got banned again due to UU's lack of (viable) flying resist. If MegaLix is available early next gen it could be freed.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 12:59:04 No.33208203 Report

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>>33208111
Have you ever heard of the concept of boosting on forced switches? Well, considering you are unironically advocating for Aerial Ace Buzzwole it's likely that you didn't.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 13:04:21 No.33208232 Report

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>>33208111
>Aerial Ace Buzzwole

Might want to check its movepool next time before posting. It's a nice addition to Buzzwole's Swords Dance set at least.

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:11:43 No.33208634 Report

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>>33208232
>>33208111
>>33208203
?????

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:17:20 No.33208668 Report

Quoted By: >>33208796 >>33208823 >>33208827

What is BL?
Barely loved?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:34:55 No.33208796 Report

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>>33208668
Booty Licked

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:38:57 No.33208823 Report

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>>33208668
BorderLine between OU and UU.

Had to google it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:39:57 No.33208827 Report

Quoted By: >>33208839 >>33209126

>>33208668
Boy Love

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:40:55 No.33208839 Report

Quoted By: >>33208846 >>33209126

>>33208827
but then who is Conkeldurr's Boy Love?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:41:35 No.33208846 Report

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>>33208839
Machump

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:43:24 No.33208855 Report

Quoted By: >>33208857

>>33208111

>running aerial ace on anything but mega aerodactyl
>running aerial ace on something that doesn't get aerial ace

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:43:52 No.33208857 Report

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>>33208855
>running

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 14:45:12 No.33208870 Report

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>>33208846
awwwww who tops?

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Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 15:32:23 No.33209126 Report

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>>33208827
>>33208839
>>33208846
>>33208870
STOP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 15:34:12 No.33209144 Report

Quoted By: >>33209161

>>33208870
Timburr tops them both

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 15:36:10 No.33209161 Report

Quoted By: >>33209178

>>33209144
that doesn't make any fucking sense gtfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Aug 2017 15:38:15 No.33209178 Report

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>>33209161
>he's never topped two guys before
What are you, gay?

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