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Smogon Usage Stats for June

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:29:54 No.33223292 View View Reply Original Report

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-updates-for-june.3606072/page-4#post-7461625

Banette-Mega moved from OU to UU
Aggron-Mega moved from OU to UU
Scolipede moved from OU to UU
Salamence moved from OU to UU
Tornadus moved from BL2 to UU
Porygon2 moved from BL3 to RU
Hawlucha moved from BL2 to UU
Abomasnow-Mega moved from OU to UU
Manaphy moved from OU to UU
Suicune moved from BL2 to UU
Pelipper moved from UU to OU
Camerupt-Mega moved from OU to UU
Audino-Mega moved from UU to RU
Swampert-Mega moved from UU to OU

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:31:25 No.33223310 Report

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>>33223292
>Manaphy in UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:32:48 No.33223324 Report

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>>33223310
I haven't played Showdown since ORAS
What the fuck forced manaphy out of OU?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:33:49 No.33223337 Report

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>>33223292
I'm the bravest bird now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:36:50 No.33223371 Report

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>>33223292
>Smogon Usage Stats for June
July*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:37:37 No.33223382 Report

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>>33223324
No idea but I'm tempted to say tapu koko.
Manaphy is going to be an annoying piece of shit in UU tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:39:42 No.33223412 Report

Quoted By: >>33223425

if things stay the same it looks like rotom-wash will drop to uu next month too. how times have changed.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:41:25 No.33223424 Report

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> 59 Decidueye 2.973%
> 61 Tsareena 2.803%

At least they'll drop together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:41:28 No.33223425 Report

Quoted By: >>33223456 >>33224638 >>33224792

>>33223412
And Hawlucha and Ninetales will be OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:43:49 No.33223456 Report

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>>33223425
I'm pretty happy for Hawlucha. It deserves it.
Getting sick of Ninetales and Aurora Veil though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:46:39 No.33223496 Report

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>>33223292

All of the Megas that dropped will drop even further. Aggron-Mega will be RU, Banette-Mega will be NU, Audino-Mega will be PU, Abomasnow-Mega will be NU, Camerupt-Mega will be RU. Good day.

Manaphy will be quickbanned from UU.

Everything else will stay as is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:46:50 No.33223498 Report

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>>33223292
>Manaphy moved from OU to UU

Good that I don't play competitive this gen (first time since gen2 for me)

I HATE this meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:47:49 No.33223515 Report

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+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1 | Steelix | 27.749% |

Did I miss something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:52:24 No.33223570 Report

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> | 53 | Alakazam-Mega | 3.300% |
> | 57 | Hoopa-Unbound | 2.897% |
> | 58 | Rotom-Wash | 2.868% |
> | 63 | Heracross-Mega | 2.393% |
UU is getting fucked next month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:53:24 No.33223582 Report

Quoted By: >>33223598

>>33223515
You're looking at the NU stats, moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:54:44 No.33223598 Report

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>>33223582
I know, but why Steelix?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:55:00 No.33223602 Report

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>>33223424
Sorry, but Decidueye will never drop as long as we keep fighting to keep him up in UU. He don't deserve to drop down in RU aka the shitmon line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:56:00 No.33223614 Report

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>>33223602
Decidueye is a shitmon though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:56:19 No.33223618 Report

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>>33223598
It's NU's Lando-t.
Reliable rock setter and blanket check for physical attackers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:56:53 No.33223629 Report

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>>33223602
>him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:57:09 No.33223635 Report

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>>33223570
They'll make UU shittier for a while then get the boot like buzzwole and conkeldurr, nothing to worry about except maybe rotom wash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 20:59:49 No.33223664 Report

Quoted By: >>33223728 >>33223816 >>33224851

>>33223292
>| 51 | Kartana | 3.636% |
>| 52 | Nihilego | 3.498% |

As much as I love them, these two have no business in OU. They're not going to drop in the next tier update but they'll be UU by the end of the year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:04:37 No.33223713 Report

Quoted By: >>33223816 >>33223927 >>33224241

> | 1 | Landorus-Therian | 40.684% |
Le healthy genie of meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:05:27 No.33223728 Report

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>>33223664
Scarf kartana is a decent late-game cleaner tho, I can't imagine it being healthy in current UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:11:57 No.33223816 Report

Quoted By: >>33223902

>>33223713
High attack stat, good typing, good bulk, and Intimidate paired with U-Turn is amazing.
>>33223664
181 Atk and 109 Spd is great even if its movepool is limited. Kartana would hurt UU a whole lot.
Nihilego I can't argue. The typing is terrible despite its fast speed and decent Sp.A. Its role is severely limited to a sneaky pebble setter and weak special sweeper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:15:24 No.33223860 Report

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>>33223324
AV tangrowth everywhere and Greninja does it's job better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:17:48 No.33223889 Report

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>>33223570
it's okay half of them are going to BL anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:18:56 No.33223902 Report

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>>33223816
>High attack stat, good typing, good bulk, and Intimidate paired with U-Turn is amazing.
You don't say. Thank you for your deep perspective on OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:22:23 No.33223927 Report

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>>33223713
>it's okay when smogon does this, but as soon as any official format (bss, bsd, vgc, etc), people start shitting on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:28:47 No.33223985 Report

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>>33223570
They already banned normal Alakazam so its not even going to be possible to use Mega Zam.
And there's no way that Hoopa and Heracross aren't going to be quick banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:30:36 No.33224005 Report

Quoted By: >>33224058

>>33223570
More like Staraptor is going to have some more company

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:34:45 No.33224058 Report

Quoted By: >>33231775

>>33224005
I'd say he's got plenty of company already: http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/formats/bl/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:36:25 No.33224074 Report

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>>33223570
Don't forget about Mega Gallade, Gardevoir, Altaria and Latias. Hell, even Mega Charizard X might drop at this rate.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:48:32 No.33224201 Report

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>>33223292
>Swampert-Mega moved from UU to OU
Oh shit my nigga finally made it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:52:20 No.33224233 Report

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>>33223292

>Manaphy moved from OU to UU

Wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:53:31 No.33224241 Report

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>>33223713
It'll be gone soon. Along with Magearna and Greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:55:47 No.33224259 Report

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>>33223324
Is not good enough as a Wallbreaker, and has coverage problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 21:57:57 No.33224279 Report

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>>33223496
Camerupt migth not drop from UU actually.

Is really good in OU and migth be useful in UU since Swampy is gone

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:00:09 No.33224300 Report

Quoted By: >>33224315

>Mega Banette, Mega Aggron, Scolipede, and Salamence in UU
yikes

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:00:56 No.33224305 Report

Quoted By: >>33227712

>| 9 | Mew | 13.466% |
Never thought I'd see him in the top ten

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:02:37 No.33224314 Report

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>>33224241
>Landorus-T
>leaving OU
>ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:03:10 No.33224315 Report

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>>33224300
Scolipede and Salamence were banned from UU months ago so they're not coming back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:05:36 No.33224333 Report

Quoted By: >>33224385 >>33224389 >>33224392 >>33227674

More powerhouses in UU, wow. Also, there are a lot of strong Water types in UU now: Manaphy, Keldeo, Mega-Sharpedo, Primarina, Suicune, Mega-Blastoise...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:12:17 No.33224385 Report

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>>33224333
nice digits

and yes, there are quite a few good water types in UU now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:12:43 No.33224389 Report

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>>33224333
>Keldeo
>UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:13:08 No.33224392 Report

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>>33224333
New tier WU (Water Used) when

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:24:40 No.33224497 Report

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>>33223292
Don't forget
>Aurorus, Alolan Sandslash, Qwilfish, Malamar, Typhlosion, Vileplume, Mesprit, Cincinno move from PU to NU
>Vivillon, Absol, and Komala move from NU to PU
On one hand, I'm glad the A-veil cancer and Malamar are fucking gone, but Vivillon looks to be absolutely cancerous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:39:56 No.33224601 Report

Quoted By: >>33224672

>>33223614
I used it once and its pretty decent with assault vest, totally belongs in RU though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:45:46 No.33224638 Report

Quoted By: >>33224646 >>33224756 >>33224799

>>33223425
Why would Hawlucha be OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:47:03 No.33224644 Report

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>>33224201
Rain teams seem to bounce up and down based on when the meta has forgotten about them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:47:08 No.33224646 Report

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>>33224638
Electric seed set

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 22:51:52 No.33224672 Report

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>>33224601
>Using it with A-vest and not as a defogger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 23:05:01 No.33224756 Report

Quoted By: >>33225485

>>33224638
Meme set actually turned out to not be a meme at all.
it's typically paired with a Tapu and holds a Terrain Seed so it gets instant Unburden boost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 23:10:36 No.33224792 Report

Quoted By: >>33226003 >>33226246 >>33227672 >>33235509 >>33235797

>>33223425
Don't forget Camerupt. Smogon is really hyping this thing up. Appearently, it has godly synergy with the Tapus thanks to Nature Power and is able to set up Rocks completly freely against stall as it murders the important stall defoggers. It also really messes with Duggy and murders Trick Room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 23:11:39 No.33224799 Report

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>>33224638
It's good on rain teams because fighting/flying coverage smashes through most rain counters like ferrothorn and tangrowth.
It also pairs well with tapus because of the terrain seeds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 23:21:33 No.33224851 Report

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>>33223664
unless they get graced with amazing tutors in USUM.

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Anonymous Sun 06 Aug 2017 23:21:45 No.33224853 Report

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>>33223292
yes!, more OU drops to my shithole
soon everything will be UU and I will finally rebuild the metagame as I desire

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 00:48:03 No.33225485 Report

Quoted By: >>33232066 >>33233153 >>33235451

>>33224756
i swear to god

ever since i saw Pokeaim use that team many faggots on Showdown begun to use that team

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 00:56:18 No.33225564 Report

Quoted By: >>33225587

>>33223292
>June
Nigga it's already August give me the fresh shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 00:58:27 No.33225587 Report

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>>33225564
>>33223371

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 01:41:28 No.33226003 Report

Quoted By: >>33226077

>>33224792
oh really? because I just made a team with camerupt and tapu bulu, but I didn't know it was good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 01:51:41 No.33226077 Report

Quoted By: >>33227676

>>33226003
There's been a lot of talk about it in the OU viability ranking thread.
Mega Camerupt basically solos most balance teams.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 02:13:22 No.33226246 Report

Quoted By: >>33226359

>>33224792
>nature power actually useful
now that's interesting...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 02:32:15 No.33226359 Report

Quoted By: >>33227669

>>33226246
The best part about Nature Power is when it's powered up by the Normal Z-Crystal, it also changes the type of Z-move(becomes Bloom Doom under Grassy Terrain, Twinkle Tackle in Misty Terrain, etc). Nice to see that terrains were buffed enough to be almost as flexible as weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:35:14 No.33227644 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223292
>Manaphy moved from OU to UU
What le fug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:39:45 No.33227663 Report

Quoted By: >>33230478

>| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 40.684%
Such a diverse and healthy meta!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:41:41 No.33227669 Report

Quoted By:

>>33226359
>>33226359
>Nice to see that terrains were buffed enough to be almost as flexible as weather.
Just like weather, setting them manually or automatically with a switch makes a world of difference. That the Tapus are good Pokemon helps a lot too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:42:12 No.33227672 Report

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>>33224792
>We might see a day where Camerupt is OU
What times to live in

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:42:37 No.33227673 Report

Quoted By: >>33227681

>Pelipper moved from UU to OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:43:19 No.33227674 Report

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>>33224333
Too bad Pelipper moved up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:43:32 No.33227676 Report

Quoted By: >>33228959

>>33226077
Explain further

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:44:08 No.33227681 Report

Quoted By: >>33227692 >>33230525

>>33227673
>Hurr why is a pokemon who has auto-rain OU durr

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:44:45 No.33227683 Report

Quoted By: >>33227690

>>33223292
>Audino-Mega moved from UU
So, why was it UU in the first place?

>Camerupt-Mega moved from OU
and this also surprises me. Last time I played Showdown was around the time ORAS was released.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:46:29 No.33227688 Report

Quoted By: >>33228421 >>33228524

>>33223292
>18 | Garchomp
>61 | Gardevoir-Mega
/vp/ on suicide watch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:46:48 No.33227690 Report

Quoted By: >>33227695

>>33227683
>it's a people don't understand tiering works episode

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:46:59 No.33227692 Report

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>>33227681

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:48:00 No.33227695 Report

Quoted By: >>33227700

>>33227690
>the more people play that mon, the more it is being used. Thus, it can be overused, underused, etc
Yeah, great, but I am asking why the change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:48:55 No.33227700 Report

Quoted By: >>33227711 >>33227721

>>33227695
>it's a people don't understand how tiering works episode

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:51:17 No.33227710 Report

Quoted By: >>33227760

>>33223570
that's amazing UU willl be the old ou before tapu's UBs and but evn better without a million steel types and most importantly no lando-T

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:51:23 No.33227711 Report

Quoted By: >>33227730

>>33227700
Then explain it you ass, unless your one of those
>le educate urself xD kys
fuckers.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:51:40 No.33227712 Report

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>>33224305
>him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:55:18 No.33227721 Report

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>>33227700
>vp user tries to be superior

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 06:56:53 No.33227730 Report

Quoted By: >>33233287

>>33227711
Because everything new starts in OU by default and then trickles down, retard

Audinite and Cameruptite were released like a month ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:07:33 No.33227760 Report

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>>33227710
>retards still complaining about ultra beasts
Anyway UU is fucking ass currently, even more so than OU. A bunch of huge powerhouses dropping next month is absolutely not a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:13:50 No.33227778 Report

Quoted By: >>33227842

I'm curious, with hindsight, if megas were a bad idea in general and should have never been a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:29:55 No.33227842 Report

Quoted By: >>33227864 >>33239706

>>33227778
They were just poorly implemented. It's a nice mechanic. Things like Altaria, Beedrill, Mom, Medicham, Lopunny, Mawile, etc. needed them.

Metagross, Mewtwo, Air Lizard, the airplanes, Superduper Air Snake, etc. did not. Some, like Houndoom, Ampharos, Gallade, Audino, or Steelix were given meh abilities (the make or break for a Mega).

Good idea but awful implementation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:31:57 No.33227852 Report

Quoted By: >>33227881

>>33223292
>Scolipede moved from OU to UU

Gonna go to BL since UU has baton pass don't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:33:16 No.33227858 Report

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>>33223337
*sea chanting intensifies*

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:35:04 No.33227864 Report

Quoted By: >>33227887

>>33227842
Would it just make better sense that for no evo pokes like Mawile, to just give them a proper evoulution, or only 1 evo mons, like Lopunny, another evo before moving onto Mega?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:35:47 No.33227868 Report

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>>33223496
>Audino-Mega will be PU

Profound sadness

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:36:24 No.33227871 Report

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watching powercreep visibly happen in front of me is scary

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:40:08 No.33227881 Report

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>>33227852
>UU has baton pass don't it?
No. In fact baton pass was banned from UU months before it was banned in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:41:24 No.33227887 Report

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>>33227864
Probably but forcing no item allowed for some truly potent stuff.
Yeah, in.retrospect, most could have bar Beedrill or Sableye.

Fuck, I bet Altaria or Charizard would have been banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:52:46 No.33227912 Report

Quoted By: >>33227914

Manaphy has already been quickbanned from UU lol
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...anned-see-post-92.3609643/page-4#post-7462271

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:53:53 No.33227914 Report

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>>33227912
fixed link because im retarded
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-uu-stage-2-1-youre-welcome-manaphy-quickbanned-see-post-92.3609643/page-4#post-7462271

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 07:55:05 No.33227919 Report

Quoted By: >>33227979 >>33235384

So, now that Conk and Buzzwole are gone, how long till Weavile is banned from UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 08:18:26 No.33227979 Report

Quoted By: >>33228489

>>33227919

How long until BL contains more Pokémon than UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 09:47:14 No.33228237 Report

Quoted By: >>33228318 >>33228362 >>33228364 >>33228490 >>33240357

why is AV tangrowth supposed to be good? I mean yeah it's gonna live til the end of the universe but its damage output is underwhelming. I also find it funny how it was RU not to long ago until people suddenly realized it's actually pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:04:33 No.33228318 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228237
Literally just Zygarde.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:16:59 No.33228362 Report

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>>33228237
its coverage means it can force basically anything you want it to the fuck out. Sure it doesn't hit hard neutrally but it hits hard enough SE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:17:51 No.33228364 Report

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>>33228237
It's not supposed to do damage, it's supposed to sponge a hit and then get you a safe switch into something that can
it's just very good at this because of stupid bulk and regen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:38:38 No.33228421 Report

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>>33227688
> Garchomp
Lando is more splashable offensive ground. Zygarde can hit flying types with ground STAB. But Chomp's still decent for being faster than the former and outdamaging the latter despite inferior coverage.
>Gardevoir-Mega
Surprised it's not BL yet. Lele single-handedly destroyed it's viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:52:15 No.33228467 Report

Quoted By: >>33228785 >>33228862 >>33229753 >>33232319

>M-Camerupt is viable in OU

Are there any other pokemon that can make good use of the terrain seeds and nature power as well as Camerupt and Hawlucha can?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:58:23 No.33228489 Report

Quoted By:

>>33227979
Already happened in gen 4 before the tier reset

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 10:58:29 No.33228490 Report

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>>33228237
It's not intended to hit hard, it's there because it can sponge hits until the end of the universe while threatening things you'd rather not happen to your team.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:07:26 No.33228510 Report

Quoted By: >>33228516

>STILL in OU
What went right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:08:34 No.33228516 Report

Quoted By: >>33228525 >>33228551 >>33228567

>>33228510
>Milotic is RU
HAHAHAHAHAHA BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:10:35 No.33228524 Report

Quoted By: >>33228531 >>33228948

>>33227688
I'm more surprised smogon dares to think M-Waifu is as viable as the trannyseal (C+), when the former is faster and hits harder.

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Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:10:52 No.33228525 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228516
What even is this meme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:12:24 No.33228531 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228524
Stay mad :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:13:59 No.33228539 Report

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>Smogautists

stopped reading there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:16:17 No.33228551 Report

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>>33228516
Nobody ever argued that Milotic would be higher RU, no sure what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 11:23:29 No.33228567 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228516
And its workshipped as a literal goddess there. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 12:18:26 No.33228785 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228467
>Nature Power
Serperior. Under Electric Terrain it could run Normalium Z to heavily dent counters like Heatran.
>Terrain Seeds
Maybe Recycle users but most of them are better off running something else or are not OU viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 12:38:22 No.33228862 Report

Quoted By: >>33232234

>>33228467
I seem to recall a Whimsicott set that involved using Prankster to just get a priority Tri-Attack off. I bet that'd be interesting to pair with terrains now.
Would Prankster still work on Z-Nature Power, or is that considered an attacking move at that point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 12:42:14 No.33228879 Report

Quoted By:

Fuck all of you smogonfags and fuck you Verlisify

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 12:57:24 No.33228948 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228524
Water/Fairy is better offensively and defensively despite having inferior stats. Voir even takes up a megaslot when you can just use less outclassed megas. C+ sounds justified to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 12:59:42 No.33228959 Report

Quoted By:

>>33227676
Think discount primal groudon, we're talking bargain bin though. If they have a koko, just throwing it in guarantees a kill, if they have a stall team, camerupt's sheer power mows through them. Running it mid speed lets it destroy trick room. I found success running it on bulky offense with taunt fini. Its a very niche pick that that id only suggest using in higher elo where you'll encounter less hyper offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 15:38:27 No.33229753 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228467
Pokeaim used nature power Whimsicott in a vid but it doesn't seem all that good. Though prankster does give it priority which is neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 16:19:36 No.33230017 Report

Quoted By: >>33230488

>Z moves ended up doing what we thought Mega Evolution would
Even once shitmons can become niche setup sweepers or wallbreakers with the right Z Move and support, it makes playing most tiers pretty exciting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:23:50 No.33230457 Report

Quoted By:

>>33224241

>anon said nervously, for the 8473rd time this year

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:26:19 No.33230478 Report

Quoted By:

>>33227663

should we tell him about Arcanine in vgc, guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:28:23 No.33230488 Report

Quoted By: >>33231983

>>33230017
Z moves barely changed any mon's viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:33:22 No.33230525 Report

Quoted By: >>33230627 >>33233661

>>33227681
why is politoed PU then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:34:54 No.33230542 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223602
Maybe it'd be good in RU though
That's the point of tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 17:44:22 No.33230627 Report

Quoted By:

>>33230525
Because it's outclassed by pelipper and drizzle is banned from UU and below?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 18:25:46 No.33231034 Report

Quoted By: >>33231054

>>33223570
at this rate BL will be its own tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 18:28:41 No.33231054 Report

Quoted By:

>>33231034
>UU but with all the broken shit unbanned
No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 19:51:12 No.33231775 Report

Quoted By:

>>33224058
I personally can't wait for BL to be turned into its own tier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:14:56 No.33231951 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223602
It's gonna drop, and you owlfags will be the laughing stock of /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:15:57 No.33231959 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223614
This. Many posts on UU VR want him to be UR or to drop a rank or 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:20:04 No.33231983 Report

Quoted By:

>>33230488
And as usual, already good Pokemon, were the ones who benefited the most from Z-Moves. IE Landorus or Mence with Z-Fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:31:38 No.33232066 Report

Quoted By:

>>33225485
pokeaim tops ladders for kicks, so... if you're gonna netdeck someone for singles, he's not a bad choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:50:29 No.33232234 Report

Quoted By: >>33232275

>>33228862
it works. Prankster also turns off suckerpunch.

Also works for copycat, assist, and metronome.
That's right, prankster Z-metronome is doable.

Though to be honest Assist seems like the scarier of the three, since you can engineer it to be a specific move, a la V-Create Infernape.

What does Nature Power turn into on psychic terrain anyways? I'm curious as what it does with Lele.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 20:55:53 No.33232275 Report

Quoted By:

>>33232234
Psychic.
Lele Terrain would kill it due to Prankster making it priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 21:00:27 No.33232319 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228467
I've seen Necrozma sets with Stored Power + Terrain Seeds

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 21:38:59 No.33232631 Report

Quoted By:

Hmmm. So grassy terrain 50%s earthquake and restores 1/16th health every turn.
Furthermore, Heatran gets Nature Power allowing it to replace the 2turn Solar Beam with Energy Ball.
Plus It pairs well with Bulu.

Why haven't I seen this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 22:30:39 No.33233153 Report

Quoted By:

>>33225485
he's 45-3 in Ubers. Wouldn't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 22:46:30 No.33233287 Report

Quoted By:

>>33227730

what are you so mad about lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:27:27 No.33233579 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223324
It's still a good balance breaker but it struggles vs offensive teams due its subpar speed, making it rather easy to revenge kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:38:08 No.33233661 Report

Quoted By: >>33233727

>>33230525
Pelipper gets U-turn allowing it to give free switches into rain abusers, Politoed can't. Pelipper gets Defog which otherwise incredibly hard to fit onto rain teams, Politoed can't do this. Pelipper gets Roost so it can stick around longer in a match to keep providing rain, Politoed's best form of recovery is Rest. Pelipper also has a fairly good Specs set with access to moves like Knock Off which cripples Chansey and Assault Vest Magearna as well as a 100% accurate Hurricane which beats bulky grass types. Pelipper 100% outclasses Politoed hence why Politoed is PU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:45:03 No.33233712 Report

Quoted By: >>33233741

How do I get back into competitive pokemon? Back in gen 4 I played the shit out of it, by myself
But these days it really frustrates me to play without somebody else to bounce ideas off of

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:46:41 No.33233724 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223292
Who else ITT lived long enough to see Pelipper become meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:47:01 No.33233727 Report

Quoted By: >>33236791

>>33233661
Hey, politied gets hypnosis

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:48:54 No.33233741 Report

Quoted By: >>33233778

>>33233712
just play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:51:17 No.33233764 Report

Quoted By: >>33233771 >>33233797 >>33234309

So what's the best singles tier currently?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:51:55 No.33233771 Report

Quoted By:

>>33233764
UU is pretty fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:53:30 No.33233778 Report

Quoted By: >>33233815

>>33233741
Sure, I try, but I lose steam because the meta always seems boring

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:55:19 No.33233794 Report

Quoted By:

>Hawlucha back in UU

Dont these fucks ever learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:55:30 No.33233797 Report

Quoted By: >>33235107

>>33233764
NU is overall great, probably the best.
RU is good but a bit too defensive.
OU is same old, same old.
UU is currently fucking garbage.
Ubers got shaken up a lot by Marshadow, it's decent enough.
PU is currently in chaos, but that's to be expected since it's only just entered beta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Aug 2017 23:56:41 No.33233815 Report

Quoted By: >>33234017

>>33233778
Then play a different meta?
There's a million different tiers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 00:18:09 No.33234017 Report

Quoted By:

>>33233815
What I'm really trying to say is I want a cute boy to talk to and keep my motivated to keep playing and improving my team and strategy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 00:32:55 No.33234111 Report

Quoted By:

>>33223292
I actually compeatly forgot about manaphy wtf. I used it once in "balanced" hackmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 00:56:49 No.33234309 Report

Quoted By: >>33234400 >>33236126

>>33233764

OU is literally the worst it has ever been since, I'm assuming, gen 2. there are like a dozen threats you have to prepare for in teambuilding, 7 different variants of brainless aurora veil offense, 3 variants of stall, unbreakable CelePex cores, MAGEARNA....it's absolute trash and anyone who plays it seriously is honestly a masochist

UU is basically like old OU from last gen, which is nice. NU and RU are my favorites because they're sort of in a goldilocks zone where there's a decent amount of "good" pokemon but you don't play expecting to lose at team preview like you do with gen7OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 01:10:00 No.33234400 Report

Quoted By: >>33234478

>>33234309
>UU is basically like old OU from last gen
opinion discarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 01:22:09 No.33234478 Report

Quoted By: >>33236271

>>33234400
?

have you looked at how many things are UU right now? go back and look at the last viability rankings for ORAS OU and compare them to the most revent viability rankings for SM UU.

I'll wait

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 02:51:14 No.33235107 Report

Quoted By: >>33235282

>>33233797
What about AG?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:12:13 No.33235263 Report

Quoted By: >>33235286 >>33235826

>>33223292
>108 torracat
>117 incineroar

i love you ru

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:14:35 No.33235282 Report

Quoted By:

>>33235107
Shit as always.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:15:00 No.33235286 Report

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>>33235263
Holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:27:57 No.33235384 Report

Quoted By: >>33235407

>>33227919
I dont get why it even made it into uu and not bl in the first place. Hell it jumps in and out of ou so fucking often there is a good chance it will just jump up again a month or two from now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:30:38 No.33235407 Report

Quoted By: >>33235431

>>33235384
It was BL a while ago but was unbanned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:33:49 No.33235431 Report

Quoted By: >>33235555

>>33235407
I know I just dont get smogons decisions with it. it gets banned from uu into bl. Jumps from bl to ou, and falls out of ou due to usage but instead of falling back to bl, it drops to uu at the same time that its major counters get bumped to bl

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:36:15 No.33235451 Report

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>>33225485
I made it nig nogs, be happy its from a vp fag

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Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:45:54 No.33235509 Report

Quoted By:

>>33224792
>Camerupt with Energy Ball/Moonblast/Thunderbolt/Psychic depending on what Tapu was out last

>ALL of these are boosted by Sheer Force AND the terrain (except Misty)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 03:52:57 No.33235555 Report

Quoted By: >>33235771

>>33235431
>Jumps from bl to ou
Weavile hasn't been ou at all this gen.
>falls out of ou due to usage but instead of falling back to bl, it drops to uu
Weavile didn't "drop" by usage since it wasn't ou in the first place. It got unbanned by council vote, presumably because buzzwole, conk, primarina, m-blastoise, and a bunch of other shit were big threats in the tier and could keep it in check. I don't think they originally planned on buzz on conk getting banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 04:30:59 No.33235771 Report

Quoted By:

>>33235555
I could of sworn it was in ou during june

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 04:37:47 No.33235797 Report

Quoted By: >>33235851 >>33236221

>>33224792
If it's so good why did it just drop from OU to UU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 04:41:52 No.33235826 Report

Quoted By: >>33235945

>>33235263
You think Torracat+eviolite with intimidate released later on would work?

Faster then Incineroar and no Mach punch weakness

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 04:45:28 No.33235851 Report

Quoted By: >>33236092

>>33235797
Water removes cow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:00:04 No.33235945 Report

Quoted By: >>33236765

>>33235826
HP is probably too low to be good with eviolite.
Maybe in FU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:23:18 No.33236092 Report

Quoted By:

>>33235851
That's what the Bulu/EnergyBall/Thunderbolt is for.

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Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:31:17 No.33236126 Report

Quoted By: >>33236198 >>33239002

>>33234309
>unbreakable CelePex cores

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:45:42 No.33236198 Report

Quoted By:

>>33236126
>doesn't float high enough to avoid earthquakes
How does it feel to get quaded by large swaths of the format, especially cat genie of healthy meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:48:24 No.33236221 Report

Quoted By: >>33236239

>>33235797
It's good but it's a niche pick and the ladder hasn't really picked up on this yet, hence why ladder scrubs aren't using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:50:34 No.33236239 Report

Quoted By: >>33236256

>>33236221
So it's what Tangrowth was a little while ago?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:53:17 No.33236256 Report

Quoted By:

>>33236239
In a sense, but Mega Camerupt isn't nearly as good as Tangrowth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 05:55:41 No.33236271 Report

Quoted By:

>>33234478
UU's gonna get fucked with all the new shit thats entering it this month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 08:29:24 No.33236765 Report

Quoted By: >>33236811

>>33235945
>FU
will this ever be an official tier?

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Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 08:35:38 No.33236791 Report

Quoted By:

>>33233727

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 08:40:58 No.33236811 Report

Quoted By: >>33236816

>>33236765
Eventually there'll be so many Pokemon that they'll have to add another tier. There's fucking 20 Pokemon in BL right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 08:42:42 No.33236816 Report

Quoted By:

>>33236811
I think it's because UU gets first pickings at what drops from OU and because it doesn't drop all at once the things that drop a bit at a time are pretty much banned on the spot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 08:51:43 No.33236837 Report

Quoted By: >>33238600

They really should just make OU bigger and be done with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 15:18:15 No.33238600 Report

Quoted By: >>33238627

>>33236837
What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 15:21:29 No.33238627 Report

Quoted By: >>33238665

>>33238600
I assume he means a lower cutoff range.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 15:26:03 No.33238665 Report

Quoted By:

>>33238627
How much lower could they realistically make it? 3.41% is already really low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 16:02:58 No.33239002 Report

Quoted By:

>>33236126
>Dugtrio used Earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 17:43:12 No.33239706 Report

Quoted By:

>>33227842
Metagross was fucking dead before his mega.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 18:54:29 No.33240357 Report

Quoted By:

>>33228237

Knock Off is 10/10 utility and anything to threaten specs smogonfrog is excellent

HP Ice/Fire also gives you some leverage in teambuilding

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