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Remakes

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:27:25 No.33242817 View View Reply Original Report

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I know this people has lots of varying tastes and opinions, but surely when it comes to just the remakes, we can all agree? The only correct way to rank them is HGSS > ORAS > FRLG

I don't think there's much disagreement about HGSS being the best. Past that, ORAS was far from perfect, but FRLG was such a mess that I think no one honestly disagrees with this, r-right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:30:41 No.33242845 Report

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Nope. It's HGSS > FRLG > ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:31:28 No.33242854 Report

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Na
FRLG > ORAS > HGSS
but that's just my opinion

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:33:03 No.33242865 Report

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>>33242817
>copy pasted battle frontier
>that level curve
Yeah......no

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:33:41 No.33242867 Report

Quoted By: >>33243044

>>33242845
This

ORAS were a bad version of RS, and RS always felt on par with FRLG

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:34:33 No.33242872 Report

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>33242854
That's not an opinion, that's low level contrarian bait to get cheap (You)'s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:35:17 No.33242877 Report

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>>33242865
>copy pasted battle frontier
That's a good thing though, I can enjoy Platinum's best content without suffering through the rest of the garbage-tier game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:35:54 No.33242880 Report

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>>33242817
agreed op

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:36:01 No.33242882 Report

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>>33242872
ok, if you say so
thanks for the attention anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:37:37 No.33242889 Report

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>>33242817
hgss is so boring lol oras is far supperior. How do you get a good iv pokemon in hgss without hacking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:38:16 No.33242895 Report

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>>33242872
An honorary (You) is just as sweet as the real thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:39:03 No.33242903 Report

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>>33242889
Rng abuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:39:37 No.33242912 Report

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>>33242889
RNG is easy as fuck in HGSS. RNG for a perfect ditto and then breed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:40:55 No.33242920 Report

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>>33242889
>HGSS is boring because I can't grind for hours to get a perfect IV pokemon.
wut

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:42:36 No.33242932 Report

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>>33242865
>copy pasting frontier
>bad

What else were they supposed to put in? I like that Frontier was in the game because I didn't want to waste money on Platinum after having already played Diamond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:47:03 No.33242960 Report

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>>33242865
>that level curve
what game were you playing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:48:35 No.33242973 Report

Quoted By: >>33243092

>>33242932
I expected a non copy pasted battle frontier

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Namefag !3I4SJbCh8M Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:49:36 No.33242986 Report

Quoted By: >>33242998 >>33243007 >>33243068 >>33243375

Rather than remaking gen 4, i want them to re-release all the gen 4 games. Possibly with some bugfixes and/or 3DS wifi compatibility. Maybe a DSi enhanced re-release so its still playable on the original DSs but can go online on a DSi/3DS.

Reason: I've been trying for weeks to find a legit copy of Pokemon Diamond in Australia that doesn't cost $100.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:50:50 No.33242998 Report

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>>33242986
You can just emulate it

Lily

Lily Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:51:42 No.33243007 Report

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>>33242986
there are a zillion reasons why this is a bad idea
also just buy a flashcart

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:51:54 No.33243008 Report

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>>33242865
>it's the level curve meme
I legitimately believe this complaint came about because contrarians didn't have enough to complain about in HGSS, so they made up some vague critique that is so intangible that it can't be disproven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:52:08 No.33243013 Report

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>>33242817
They are the best because they are the only remakes that let you get shiny Pokémon about 1/5 the time with the Cute Charm exploit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:53:37 No.33243028 Report

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>>33243008
literally play the game

Lily

Lily Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:55:16 No.33243033 Report

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>>33243028
I played the game. I didn't have any problem because I'm not so retarded that I have to be at the same level as the AI to beat them

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:55:58 No.33243044 Report

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>>33242867
>ORAS were a bad version of RS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:56:47 No.33243049 Report

Quoted By: >>33243061 >>33243080

>>33242817
HGSS>GKIS>FRLG>ORAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:57:49 No.33243061 Report

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>>33243049
getting kicked in shin

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:57:59 No.33243065 Report

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>>33243044

This is a top tier bait.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:58:20 No.33243068 Report

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>>33242986
>2017
>living in Australia
>trying to play /v/idya in australia
>not giving into your feminist masters
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Aug 2017 23:59:49 No.33243077 Report

Quoted By: >>33243163

>>33243008
>>33243033
No, I agree that the level curve is a bit wonky.

Meanwhile, Clair uses Dragon types (+ Intimidate Gyarados), and her Level 41 ace is only weak to Dragon. You don't exactly have the best Pokemon available, either.

Clair's fun to fight against, but you'll still need some grinding to get to her level. And since the Pokemon around Blackthorn are so weak (Levels 25-27, I think?), it takes a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:00:29 No.33243080 Report

Quoted By: >>33243108

>>33243049
groping kittens in space?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:00:33 No.33243082 Report

Quoted By: >>33243091

Literally the opposite. FRLG is the only one that treats the original with full respect while also adding tasteful new content, ORAS despite excellent new features disregards Emerald in a horribly dismissive way and is generally mixed when it comes to its approach to the story elements and setting of Hoenn, and HGSS just destroys nearly every reason to love the original Johto while adding fluff with minimal substance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:01:35 No.33243088 Report

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>>33243033
thats not what lever curve mean, don't post if you dont know what you are talking about
there is also lot of shit about this topic, lurk more

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:01:58 No.33243091 Report

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>>33243082
>HGSS just destroys nearly every reason to love the original Johto while adding fluff with minimal substance.
elaborate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:01:59 No.33243092 Report

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>>33242973
What exactly was wrong with Platinum's frontier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:03:09 No.33243100 Report

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>>33243088
>you should know what I mean
>no i'm not going to tell you what i mean
>fuck you for being a niggerfaggot
good tasty bait anon. got anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:04:11 No.33243106 Report

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>>33243088
>getting told to lurk more by a shitposter
wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:04:27 No.33243108 Report

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>>33243080
in which case
GKIS>HGSS>FRLG>ORAS

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:05:39 No.33243118 Report

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>>33243100
>>33243106

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:08:23 No.33243135 Report

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>>33242817
>HGSS > ORAS > FRLG
FRLG is an improvement on the original games, unlike ORAS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:08:34 No.33243139 Report

Quoted By: >>33243180 >>33243399

>>33243008
This. Pretty much all pre-gen 5 games had a wonky level curve right before the E4, so it's not like it's endemic to HGSS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:12:39 No.33243163 Report

Quoted By: >>33243294

>>33243077
You dont need to get to that level to beat her

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:14:25 No.33243174 Report

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>>33243135
This. Most people forget that the original gen was fucking garbage. As good a concept as it was for future games, the execution was complete dogshit. FRLG was needed to fix it. HGSS was similar although not nearly as bad. As far as I know, there is nothing gamebreaking about RSE (other than maybe the pomeg berry glitch and subsequent abuse).

Plus, Gen 1 and 2 were incompatible with future gens, whereas gen 3 was not. A remake was simply not needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:15:03 No.33243180 Report

Quoted By: >>33243200 >>33243220

>>33243008
>>33243139
How the fuck do you defend a lv30 gym 7 and level 6 wild mons postgame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:18:32 No.33243200 Report

Quoted By: >>33243263

>>33243180
You played 1st gen right? Were you expecting level 50 Steelixs in Mt. Moon? If the wild mons are too weak, fly somewhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:21:27 No.33243220 Report

Quoted By: >>33243263

>>33243180
those both sound completely reasonable. can't you elaborate further as to what specifically it is that you had a problem with. preferably without the moronic 4chan-speak.

Lily

Lily Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:23:25 No.33243231 Report

Quoted By: >>33243253

>>33243088
please explain what you mean then
I thought level curve meant your Pokémon ended up underleveled compared to the AI's if you don't grind
If this is not what it means then what does it mean

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:27:44 No.33243253 Report

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>>33243231
Not that anon but I always have the opposite problem. Halfway through Johto I always have levels ridiculously higher than the wild Pokemon and trainers no matter where I go, to the point where I didn't lose a single Pokemon to Pryce's Gym despite accidentally skipping everything before it that I could on first playthrough. It's no fun if you one-shot literally everything and there's zero sense of progression since nothing gives you enough EXP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:28:15 No.33243255 Report

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>>33243088
>level curve
psypokes.com/hgss/gymelites.php
point to exactly where the curve takes place

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:29:24 No.33243263 Report

Quoted By: >>33243351

>>33243200
>You played 1st gen right?
Did you? First gen's last leader is 42 to 50 in RBG and 50 to 55 in Y.

>Were you expecting level 50 Steelixs in Mt. Moon?
Yeah? Why not? All the other fourth gen games don't have a problem in shitting in your face a lv45 Steelix. All the other gens don't have a problem in throwing you wild mons that are either 5 levels behind your endgame 50 or 5 levels above. Why is 2 and HGSS the only one where the lack of this is defended.

>>33243220
Nothing about that sounds "reasonable". Especially when it's completely different from every other game in the franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:34:39 No.33243294 Report

Quoted By: >>33243313

>>33243163
Of course not. But you'll still need to grind, and it takes too long to grind against a bunch of weak wild Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:36:46 No.33243313 Report

Quoted By: >>33243371

>>33243294
>But you'll still need to grind

No you don't.

I think the problem is that you're just bad at Pokemon. Getting levels from the trainer NPCs should be enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:38:22 No.33243327 Report

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ORAS is literally the worst game in the franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:42:22 No.33243351 Report

Quoted By: >>33243455 >>33245790

>>33243263
>muh wild pokes
Because its Kanto m8. Gen 1 established Kanto. It wouldn't make sense that wild pokemon suddenly got gud within 3 years to the point where they go from fodder to absolute beast mode.

>muh levels
As for the Gyms, the difficulty with Clair came with the limited access to pokemon with dragon and ice type moves to combat her limited weaknesses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:45:16 No.33243371 Report

Quoted By: >>33244872

>>33243313
You can stop trying to sound tough. Clair isn't unstoppable, and can be seriously hurt with statuses. But she had a solid team, and a lot of the Pokemon available at the time weren't equipped to to fight against her team.

And even if you had an easy time, every single time, it doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way. Clair's strong, and she's from an era where Dragons didn't have Fairies to keep them in check, and Dragon and Steel types were't as widely-available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:45:35 No.33243375 Report

Quoted By: >>33243447

>>33242986
Don't play DP, only play Platinum. It's made the others obsolete.
Although, if you want to play both then don't start with Platinum because it would be impossible to go back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:49:33 No.33243399 Report

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>>33243139
Pretty much every game before gen 5 has you around 8-10 levels below the champion unless you grind. RBY is the exception though in contrast the AI is super fucking shit.

This is with a team of 5-6 mons taken into account.

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Namefag !3I4SJbCh8M Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:57:01 No.33243447 Report

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>>33243375
Already have platinum. Just want to finish off my collection, which is missing SS and Diamond.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 00:59:10 No.33243455 Report

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>>33243351
>Because its Kanto m8. Gen 1 established Kanto. It wouldn't make sense that wild pokemon suddenly got gud within 3 years to the point where they go from fodder to absolute beast mode.

You mean like how BW "established Unova" and then there were suddenly level 59 Watchog on Route 1 in B2W2?

>people still think wild pokemon levels are "canon" and not an abstraction for gameplay purposes

The only areas where wild Pokemon are canonically much stronger than others are areas specifically off-limits to beginning trainer, like Victory Road. Just because the player starts at the lab and beats the gyms in a fixed order doesn't mean every trainer in the region does the same. There are wild Pokemon of varying levels everywhere, quit being dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 02:38:07 No.33244186 Report

Quoted By: >>33245790

>>33243044
ORAS is RS, but easier (Not only Exp Share and retarded Exp System from gen 6 made your team overpowered even without using Exp Share, but every trainer had less levels and sometimes worse movesets than in RS)

Every Gym puzzle was dumbed down, any little bit of freedom that the original had (like being able to skip some gyms until later, not caring about Pokemon contests, etc) is completely scrapped

They ruined Mauville city on an attempt of having a Luminouse city equivalent. The Delta Episode is by far the worse and most boring post game mission in the franchise (Fly to this place, figth a line of extremely underleveled grunts, press a a bunch of times in the most voring expo dump ever, repeat, catch a dumbed down rayquaza and figth deoxys)

The game had a slower pacing than before, and has too much innecessary dialogue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 03:49:24 No.33244689 Report

Quoted By: >>33244782

>>33243033
You don't need to be the same level, if you're within 5 levels of your enemy you'll be fine, however, if one is expected to be the level of your opponent before going to the next opponent, there's still a 19 level jump between blue and red's strongest pokemon

Lily

Lily Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:04:26 No.33244782 Report

Quoted By: >>33244788

>>33244689
that's still fine, you should be able to beat red by using your human brain and your bag of items

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:05:19 No.33244788 Report

Quoted By: >>33244801

>>33244782
>using items

Lily

Lily Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:07:29 No.33244801 Report

Quoted By: >>33244812 >>33246660

>>33244788
>people decide not to use a tool the game expects you to use
>these same people say "waaaah the game is too hard"
You have only yourself to blame, not some made-up level curve

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:08:52 No.33244812 Report

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>>33244801
Now point out where I said the game was hard, because I'm a different Anon. Using items is just shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:18:03 No.33244872 Report

Quoted By: >>33244938

>>33243371
Then get better at the game and beat her. None of these games require grinding unless you're bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 04:30:16 No.33244938 Report

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>>33244872
You don't have to be so try-hard. It's okay to admit that Pokemon isn't a cakewalk. They're easy games, but grinding is necessary for a lot of the games, unless you're the type who desperately spams items.

But even if you didn't have to grind, I'm sure many people feel the need to. Especially younger audiences, or people just getting into the games.. There's a reason why people have been complaining about the level curve throughout this thread. Fixing the level curve and putting out stronger Pokemon wouldn't hurt you in any way, but would have helped a lot of people.

You're just deflecting solid criticism by making any opposition out to be bad players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 08:02:07 No.33245790 Report

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>>33243351
>It wouldn't make sense that wild pokemon suddenly got gud within 3 years to the point where they go from fodder to absolute beast mode.
It wouldn't make sense but it makes sense to have trainers with lv30-45 mons on it? What kind of fucking retarded logic is this? Why does Route 3 have lv8 wild Ekans and Rattata and Spearow then random people with lv30 Magmars?

>the difficulty with Clair came with the limited access to pokemon with dragon and ice type moves to combat her limited weaknesses
Oh yes, the limited access after walking through a fucking ice cave, yeah. The cave which contains the at-the-time-overpowered-for-the-game Jynx. Or one could carry the Lapras from muuuuuuuuuuuch earlier in the game. Not that anything in the gym but Kingdra requires them, Dragonair is shit and nobody in the gym is so smart to use the Lance trick(using dragonic mons instead of just dragon types).

>>33244186
>but every trainer had less levels and sometimes worse movesets than in RS)
Bait.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 12:54:52 No.33246660 Report

Quoted By: >>33247737

>>33244801
>made-up level curve
Do you not know how to plot a simple graph? Numbers that exist in the game are not "made-up" just because you have yet to start high school math. On the off chance you see this post, please get a trip so people can filter your ignorance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 13:01:25 No.33246681 Report

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>>33242817
The only problem I have with these games is that the engine is slow as fuck along with the battles. Other than that good game.
If only this game could be redone with the current engine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 13:31:54 No.33246807 Report

Quoted By: >>33246966 >>33247149 >>33251842

>>33242817
>implying ORAS wasn't the worst of the remakes

FRLG improved upon what Blue did with Red and Green's encounter and trade lists.

HGSS improved upon what Crystal did with Gold and Silver's encounter and trade lists.

ORAS was just Ruby and Sapphire. Plus megastones. With an ultrashit epilogue BS.
Fuck Delta Episode.
Fuck ORAS for being such fails at HD remakes that Emerald is still better than they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 14:10:06 No.33246966 Report

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>>33246807
That's just because RSE were already perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 14:46:04 No.33247149 Report

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>>33246807
but I dont have my Phanpy at the start of the game in HGSS
fucking bullshit m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 14:53:35 No.33247185 Report

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I hate HGSS but I'm not retarded enough to think ORAS is better.

HGSS > FRLG > ORAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 14:57:50 No.33247199 Report

Quoted By: >>33247737

>>33242817
HGSS are so painfully overrated.
The wild Pokemon levels are not dependable and the npc trainer movesets are inferior to Emerald, B2W2 and Platinum's.
HGSS were beautiful looking and sounding games, but the gameplay itself was lackluster.
Reminder that Pryce's Pilowsine is evem worse than Pt Candice's Piloswine, which wasn't even her 2nd best pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 15:04:29 No.33247237 Report

Quoted By: >>33247737 >>33248403

This board has a hateboner for ORAS, it's easily better than FRLG

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 15:13:15 No.33247280 Report

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>>33242865
>copy pasted bf is worse than no bf
kys shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 16:22:47 No.33247658 Report

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>>33242889
breeding and power items it just took a while. also

HGSS >FRLG>ORAS Anything else is just be felt actually had some pretty decent post game content woth the extra islands and team rocket story

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 16:35:05 No.33247737 Report

Quoted By: >>33247876

>>33247199
HGSS have plenty of people who use status moves over raw power though. I noticed it on my recent playthrough

>>33247237
I'd say they are equal. Both bored me to tears

>>33246660
the level curve is real, it's just not a big deal unless you suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 16:59:00 No.33247876 Report

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>>33247737
Or..if you have autism like me and want your pokes to be within 3 levels of trainers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 17:00:26 No.33247887 Report

Quoted By: >>33247922 >>33247971 >>33251864

Fuck HgSs. No houndoom until Kabuto what bullshit. Also all the cool Pokémon in general can only be found in Kabuto. What a crock. Every idiot who plays through this game has the same team of starter, ampharos, Noctowl, quagsire and some stupid gimmick mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 17:08:10 No.33247922 Report

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>>33247887
you mean kanto
but yes

and phanpy only at blackthorn is disgusting... (you get it, and it evolve directly, wow) we had it at the start of the game in crystal

you can't defend that shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 17:16:39 No.33247971 Report

Quoted By: >>33248101

>>33247887
I don't care for HGSS but my team last time I played was Azumarill, Sunflora, Skarmory, Ursaring, Yanmega, and Typhlosion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 17:38:06 No.33248101 Report

Quoted By: >>33248228 >>33248250

>>33247971
you managed a Yanma before swarms were unlocked? Good job

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 18:00:46 No.33248228 Report

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>>33248101
He could have traded over a Yanma from the Great Marsh in Platinum (pre-national dex) or from Diamond/Pearl (post national dex)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 18:04:48 No.33248250 Report

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>>33248101
1% encounter rate without swarm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 18:41:46 No.33248403 Report

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>>33247237
>it's easily better than FRLG

Not really. FRLG had better balance and the post-game was more interesting. And it actually came up with a unique battle facility instead of copy pasting the battle tower.

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Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 18:49:35 No.33248453 Report

Quoted By: >>33251045 >>33251180 >>33251296

>>33242817
Objectively wrong. HGSS is by far the worst.
>only new content is gimmicks that lock out old content
>rehashed the worst Battle Frontier
>fix none of the original games flaws
>no new Pokemon
>music is noticably worse than the original
>unbearably slow engine makes for the worst gameplay in the series
>many Johto Pokemon are ruined by the Physical/Special split

The objectively correct order is
ORAS > FRLG > HGSS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 23:35:55 No.33250999 Report

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This is the most derailed thread I've ever seen.

I love it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 23:39:50 No.33251045 Report

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>>33248453
The amount of salt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Aug 2017 23:57:28 No.33251180 Report

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>>33248453
I'll bite.
> only new content is gimmicks that lock out old content

New content such as...? The Safari Zone, Pokéathlon, evos such as Yanmega and Mamoswine and returning Kanto locations don't lock out anything.

> rehashed the worst Battle Frontier

As nice as a new Frontier might have been, I'm cool with it to assure Platinum compatibility.

> fix none of the original games flaws
Name them.

> no new Pokémon
New to what? The series as a whole? No duh, they've never added a new species altogether in anything other than a new generation. New to Johto? I mentioned the new evos, also Safari Zone and Poké Walker allow you to get stuff early.

> music is noticably worse than the original
How is it worse, and how is this not an argument that also applies to FRLG or ORAS?

> unbearably slow engine makes for the worst gameplay in the series
Okay, I'll give you that one. Gen 4 sucked for gameplay.

> many Johto Pokémon are ruined by the Physical/Special split
Name them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 00:09:55 No.33251296 Report

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>>33248453

>only new content is gimmicks that lock out old content
What new content from HGSS locks out the old?

>rehashed the worst Battle Frontier
Out of a grand total of two? As supposed to ORAS, the remake that had NO Battle Frontier at all?

>fix none of the original games flaws
Again, as supposed to the Hoenn remake that is actively worse than Emerald?

>no new Pokemon
What remake has new Pokemon?

>music is noticably worse than the original
Subjective, but also not very important.

>unbearably slow engine makes for the worst gameplay in the series
How impatient are people nowadays?

>many Johto Pokemon are ruined by the Physical/Special split
Pretty sure it helped much more than it hurt. Example: Every Dark type.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 00:21:37 No.33251401 Report

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FrLg were basically copy paste RB, there was nothing really wrong with them.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 00:29:33 No.33251475 Report

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>>33242817
HGSS > FRLG >>> ORAS
FRLG's problem is just that it stays TOO accurate to the original games, to the point of blocking off things like cross-gens and breeding until you beat the Champion. It's definitely preferable to ORAS ignoring so much content from RSE and changing some things in negative ways like removing the postgame roaming legendary and giving it to you for free five badges into the game.
HGSS of course isn't perfect either, some things like the level curve that were problems in the original games weren't addressed, but I felt it hit the best balance between keeping old things and modernizing others.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 00:32:39 No.33251504 Report

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>>33243092
It's not as good as Emerald's but that's not what he's complaining about. He thinks that HGSS taking Platinum's Frontier is equivalent to ORAS taking XY's Maison, even though the former is a straight upgrade over what was there in Crystal and the latter is a straight downgrade over what was there in Emerald. He's trying to treat the disdain for ORAS's Battle Resort as "people don't like taking anything from other games" instead of "people don't like removing a large feature and putting a much smaller, shittier feature in its place"

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Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 01:13:38 No.33251842 Report

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>>33246807
>FRLG improved upon what Blue did
But Blue really didn't do anything. It was just graphical updates and bugfixes, which were nice in the context of Gen 1 but neither are really applicable in the Gen 3 remake that doesn't share any of the assets or code from Gen 1.

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Anonymous Thu 10 Aug 2017 01:15:51 No.33251864 Report

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>>33247887
>No houndoom until Kabuto
I assume you mean Kanto. Can't you get Houndoom in the Safari Zone? Personally I think they should've put some of the Kanto 'mons as rare encounters on Route 47/48 like putting Murkrow in the Headbutt trees at night or somesuch like Polished Crystal did, but they're still obtainable if you're singling them out, even if you probably wouldn't get one in a blind run due to the Safari Zone being really unintuitive in HGSS.

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