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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 22:50:06 No.33300552 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33300644 >>33301105 >>33302684 >>33303301 >>33303382 >>33303935 >>33304182 >>33304272

Was 3d pokemon a mistake? Gamefreak has been blundering ever since making the switch.

>Had to create over 700 new models for XY so they neglected everything else
>Forced them to take a year off after ORAS only to rush out SuMo
>Pokemon models are static and lifeless
>Bombarding you with cutscenes and camera angles as if they are trying to show off the 240p quality world.

I don't know, it seemed like they had just perfected the 2.5d style in B2W2, so we'd be seeing far better games if they continued that trend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:06:04 No.33300644 Report

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>>33300552
The models will look way better on the switch. And sprites are too outdated. Gamefreak even said that models give pokemon more life. Notice how the sm pokémon have alot of personalitynin their models?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:06:48 No.33300648 Report

Quoted By: >>33300667 >>33300681 >>33300801

>>33300644
>Notice how the sm pokémon have alot of personalitynin their models?
Here's your (you)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:07:27 No.33300652 Report

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I doubt that Game Freak will ever give the old Pokemon better animations.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:07:35 No.33300655 Report

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should've just kept sprites for at least 2 more gens

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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:09:53 No.33300667 Report

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>>33300648

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:10:50 No.33300673 Report

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>>33300667
it's a cat acting like a cat. Here's another (you).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:12:41 No.33300681 Report

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>>33300648
>saying "here's your you" to fish for yous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:14:50 No.33300699 Report

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>>33300673
With sprites pokemon dont even move to attack and with the bw sprites they look like retards. Sprites are lifeless compared to 3d

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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:26:48 No.33300795 Report

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The problem isn't the models themselves. Or the biggest problem, rather.
The problem is gamefreak being too fucking lazy to change models from previous generations every now and then to perfect them. So many Pokemon look like garbage because of colors, posing, shitty animations or awkward anatomy yet Gamefreak can't get off their asses to fix them (sans glameow of all fucking things). XY is excusable. SM is not.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:27:05 No.33300801 Report

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>>33300648
And here's yours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Aug 2017 23:34:36 No.33300867 Report

Quoted By: >>33301358

The problem is that they had to do 600+ models in a short amount of time. Now we're stuck with the same lifeless models until like Gen 10 or 11.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 00:05:10 No.33301105 Report

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>>33300552
The models are good, but the animations are worse than the pokemon stadium games. Coliseum animations are where it's at. The problem is that the 3DS is insanely limited because of how old it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 00:08:26 No.33301130 Report

Quoted By: >>33301523 >>33302584

>>33300655
im lost, what game is this? i want to play it now. NOW

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 00:40:49 No.33301358 Report

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>>33300867
>I don't know the difference between models and animations

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 01:05:33 No.33301523 Report

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>>33301130
I think it's sage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 01:15:40 No.33301570 Report

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Nah, it's the puny brains of 99% of the adult Pokemon fanbase that are wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 01:20:30 No.33301609 Report

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>Main Pokèmon games went 3D with X&Y
>Since then, the VGC community of our contry is fucking shit, toxic and egocentric as fuck.

Oh yeah, it was a fucking mistake.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 03:43:41 No.33302584 Report

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>>33301523
>>33301130
that's not sage, that's Pokemon garnet, I don't think it's still being worked on but I might be wrong

Sage is pic related and http://capx.wikia.com/wiki/CAPX_Wiki

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 04:01:58 No.33302684 Report

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>>33300552

I think if we give them some time, they'll figure it out. Some of the models did look a little soulless imo, but I think that's just because some of the previous gens designs were kind of lifeless themselves. I dunno. I don't play the game to nitpick about battle sprites/models.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 05:58:55 No.33303301 Report

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>>33300552
>Pokemon models are static and lifeless
WRONG

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 06:09:02 No.33303382 Report

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>>33300552
Fuck no, 3D is great. It opens up all kinds of immersive options that would have been undoable or shitty-looking with sprites and it also results in assets that are more easily re-used in future games.

The "mistakes" you're listing aren't because of 3D, it's because they sucked shit at executing it; 3D and a few extra shitty animations to patch things up being all they fucking did. It's still the same old 2D game in every other respect with even less content than previous iterations, being played on shitty hardware that makes it look like total ass

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 08:11:53 No.33303911 Report

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Nothing about 3D graphics necessitates washed out colors and bland poses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 08:19:31 No.33303925 Report

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>>33302584
my god this is wonderful

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 08:23:36 No.33303935 Report

Quoted By: >>33304259

>>33300552
>>Pokemon models are static and lifeless
Just like the sprites, then? Nothing changed.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 08:24:07 No.33303937 Report

Quoted By: >>33303971 >>33304171

>>33300699
Oh yeah because a cat moving its head up and opening its mouth is totally impossible to do in a 2D format.
Also,
>I didn't like it, therefore it was shit
Gotta love the 4chan way of arguing.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 08:35:24 No.33303971 Report

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>>33303937
>Oh yeah because a cat moving its head up and opening its mouth is totally impossible to do in a 2D format.
Now I wish that the textured mouths were actual polygons.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 09:57:39 No.33304171 Report

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>>33303937
>>I didn't like it, therefore it was shit
This is this whole thread, you know.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:02:02 No.33304182 Report

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>>33300552
The 3D transition ruined a lot of preexisting mons, yeah. They havent made much of an effort to fix that, here's to hoping they do some tweaks for Pokemon Switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:05:14 No.33304190 Report

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>>33302584
Bottom right is Phoenix Rising, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:10:26 No.33304200 Report

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Gen 6 and 7 pokemon have good models with a lot of animation and personality, they probably put more effort into them than the others gen pokemon

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:31:53 No.33304259 Report

Quoted By: >>33304284

>>33303935
Sprites clearly shows more character and life, just compare hippowdon's rad sprite animation to it's shitty lame model.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:34:55 No.33304272 Report

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>>33300552
>SuMo
>B2W2
Not surprising coming from someone making such a retarded thread

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:37:27 No.33304283 Report

Quoted By: >>33304289

The switch to 3D was a necessity, but here's the way I see it:

The sprites were fantastic most of the time because of the dynamic poses many of the pokémon were drawn in. You use your imagination all the way until the animated sprites in Gen 5, where even then the aren't limited by the boundaries of 3D space. So they can make these wacky dynamic poses and animations. However, as screen resolutions became higher, sprites quickly became obsolete. Pixel art is, after all, just low res illustration. At some point you need to wonder how big to make the sprites for the high resolution screen, and it becomes obvious sprite work isn't going to cut it anymore, unless you want outdated graphics and/or poor animation flexibility.

The switch to 3D was obviously necessary, but the most glaring difference in quality is the lack of dynamic poses among the pokémon. This is due in part largely by the restrictions of a 3D world. Take Meowth's sprites for example. You can't just have a Pokémon standing on one foot as if it were jumping at you anymore. It's just not gonna look right. What needed to be done was dynamic animation to pick up the slack the dynamic poses left behind. You can have that "jumping sprite" pose if you actually have that Pokémon's idle animation perform some jumping. Instead we have Meowth with two feet planted firmly on the ground arms to each side, looking in one direction. That's the bulk of the problem. There are SO MANY pokémon just standing around in battle. The low saturation doesn't do anything good for the boring animation.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:38:09 No.33304284 Report

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>>33304259
Comparing idle animations is dumb because the regular 3D models aren't on camera most of the time, they have things like attack animations which show way more personality than sprites

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Aug 2017 10:38:42 No.33304289 Report

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>>33304283
Also, some of the models are great, but there are a great deal of them they are poorly proportioned in contrast to their sprites. Sewaddle is a great example. Look at those sprites and tell me the modeler shaped that head right. And what the fuck was the animator thinking that made him stare at the ground? Also, note how the damn thing is ON ALL SIX LEGS. What the hell? For real? The reference material doesn't even do anything interesting besides having its two front legs in the air, and this is the one time something like that actually works, because it has six fuckin' legs.

I'd say there are a handful of models that need to be built from scratch again, and a handful of animations that DON'T need to be built from scratch again.

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