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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:17:26 No.33339620 View View Reply Original Report

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Thoughts on this idea?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:20:50 No.33339633 Report

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>>33339620

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:21:52 No.33339637 Report

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>>33339620
Lame

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:22:40 No.33339647 Report

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What would determine where the added points go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:23:48 No.33339654 Report

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>>33339620
BST is not everything, how it is spread and moveset is way more important, look at breloom and how it stays relevant most of the time by getting carried by its moveset

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:24:10 No.33339659 Report

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>>33339620
This was made by a Incineroar hater, wasn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:25:51 No.33339669 Report

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>>33339659
OP here, I'm indifferent to all 3 Alola starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:25:53 No.33339670 Report

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>>33339620
>Something like Charmeleon being less than 100 BST away from literal PokeGod
Fucking retarded. Get this shit out of here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:27:13 No.33339678 Report

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>>33339620
Ok idea but I don't think a blanket solution would work very well since it ignores many variables such as moves and abilities, which can make or break a pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:27:43 No.33339683 Report

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>>33339654
Yeah I know, it's not intended to be too perfect, it's mostly to lessen how big a difference in power there is so if you choose totally random trainer Pokémon in a randomizer, they'll all be at least somewhat viable. It's also to let people use legendaries they like design-wise without facerolling the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:28:00 No.33339687 Report

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>>33339620
not all pokemon are meant to be viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:28:02 No.33339688 Report

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>>33339620
So, does Sunkern still have the lowest BST in this scale? Between it & Arceus, there's only a 160 BST difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:29:18 No.33339700 Report

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>>33339688
Wishiwashi Solo has the lowest with 434 vs. its original 175, which isn't too far off from Sunkern.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:29:34 No.33339702 Report

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>>33339683
Some legendaries, like Arceus & Mewtwo, should stay legendaries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:33:18 No.33339723 Report

Quoted By: >>33339862

Thanks for the feedback, it was helpful, widening the gap somewhat might be better

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:33:18 No.33339724 Report

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>>33339620
i'm assuming that bst scaling would apply in the same way to all stats. sunker gets 242% of original bst and so do all stats getting 72.6 in all stats

if anything this would make ev spreads that more relevant since the difference in stats is smaller

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:36:59 No.33339751 Report

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>genetically engineered clones and demogods are hardly stronger than random bugmons

"No".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:40:36 No.33339767 Report

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>>33339620
I don't like to be negative, but damn if this isn't legitimately one of the worst ideas I've ever seen proposed on /vp/ and that's saying a lot.

95% of players will never play a randomizer, and for the other 5% that do, part of the reasoning is for the challenge. You'd basically kill that with your new system.

Awful, awful, trash idea.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:45:18 No.33339790 Report

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>>33339687
Yes, and don't forget to buy our new Delcatty merchandise, goyim!

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 04:56:32 No.33339862 Report

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>>33339723
keep the gap. some pokemons work better supporting their teamates with movepool than having a presence of their own, as it should be.
why do you think there is a need to balance anyway? each pokemon have roles they can fill in a team. its balanced enough already.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:05:47 No.33339931 Report

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>>33339862
>its balanced enough already.
I'm not sure which game you've been playing, but it's not fucking pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:07:49 No.33339940 Report

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>>33339767
>95% of players will never play a randomizer, and for the other 5% that do, part of the reasoning is for the challenge. You'd basically kill that with your new system.
>game mechanic that only negatively affects pirates
>implying Game Freak cares about whether you like the idea or not

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:08:40 No.33339944 Report

Quoted By: >>33340031 >>33340602 >>33340668

>>33339931
I'm playing pokemon. it's smogon tat isn't balanced.
>bans shadow tag
>durr wobbufett is a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:09:34 No.33339949 Report

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they should just have a special "flat" mode for battle facilities and multiplayer that increases all BSTs to as close to 1000 BST maximum possible while keeping the same ratio of distribution for the Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:10:48 No.33339953 Report

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Just make an item that raises a Pokemon's lowest non-HP stat by 50% but backfires if its lowest non-HP stat is above 65

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:23:16 No.33340031 Report

Quoted By: >>33340051 >>33340063

>>33339944
Shadow tag is the only thing that made Wobbuffet even usable at all.

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:28:12 No.33340051 Report

Quoted By: >>33340561 >>33340668

>>33340031
>its a niche only very few pokemons get
ohkos are more variadly spread, and banning them hurt the viability of many pokemons.

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 05:31:37 No.33340063 Report

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>>33340031
also, thats like saying speed and attack are the only things that made garchomp viable at all. a pokemon ability is part of its being.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 06:11:31 No.33340293 Report

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>>33339620

averaged stats are kinda boring, makes pokemon just blend together

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:12:42 No.33340561 Report

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>>33340051
No it doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:13:30 No.33340563 Report

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>>33340563
fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:21:49 No.33340594 Report

Quoted By: >>33340597 >>33341983 >>33342294

>>33339654
Sometimes BST is the only factor in a pokemon being viable. Tapu Bulu has a pretty shitty typing, stat distribution, and movepool.

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:23:48 No.33340597 Report

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>>33339620
Pretty bad.
So I guess mid-stagers rule now since they're beyond broken with eviolite?

>>33340594
It has a good typing and an amazing ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:25:21 No.33340602 Report

Quoted By: >>33340645 >>33341768 >>33341954

>>33339944
Wobuffet with Shadow Tag is banned because if two trap each other in the game breaks because leftovers heals more than their struggle damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:30:10 No.33340621 Report

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>>33340563
Not this shit again.

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:36:21 No.33340645 Report

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>>33340561
yes it does. a killing move that doesn't rely on atk/spa is essential for walls.

>>33340602
>Generation IV onward
>The user now takes ¼ of its maximum HP as recoil damage, regardless of how much damage the attack did to the opponent. a user with only 1 HP will knock itself out with recoil damage.
im sorry, infinite battles? since when did leftovers heal more than 25%?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:40:33 No.33340660 Report

Quoted By: >>33341823

>muh totals
Distribution is what actually matters. It doesn't matter for a physical attacker if its SpA is 1 or 80. On the other hand 120 HP and 80 Def is a lot better than 80 HP and 120 Def. Likewise there's not much difference between 60/60/60 and 70/70/70 bulk for a minmaxed glass cannon.
Also stall is now unbeatable because most of its mons are minmaxed <520BST with reliable recovery and many means of passive damage / hindering moves.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 07:42:26 No.33340668 Report

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>>33339862
>>33339944
>>33340051
>>33340063
>>33340645

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd

Thoughtless Celestial !!Mw3JLMISabd Sun 20 Aug 2017 08:02:01 No.33340709 Report

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>>33340668
yes, and?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 08:06:15 No.33340727 Report

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>>33339620
I think that GF will never restat 800 or so pokemon because, even though they have one of the most profitable franchises in the world and could easily hire someone to do it for them, they are also the Japanese equivalent of jews.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 08:08:50 No.33340734 Report

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>>33340727
Someone's rearranging their stats when a spinoff is made though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 12:10:17 No.33341520 Report

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>>33339940
Stop trying to justify a terrible concept. The points I made were in direct response to points brought up by OP's image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 13:10:08 No.33341747 Report

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>>33339620
Fine with me, now get rid of all the gimmick items and imbalanced abilities to make competitive truly great again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 13:18:29 No.33341768 Report

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>>33340602

From Gen 4 onwards Shadow Tag doesn't work on another Pokémon with Shadow Tag, so this is a non-issue.

Smogon simply finds Shadow Tag uncompetitive, that's why it's banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 13:31:42 No.33341823 Report

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>>33340660
Personally as much as stall annoys me, the fact that well-built Araquanid can tank a modest Tapu Lele shattered psyche in psychic terrain and still OHKO it with hydro vortex makes me really, really happy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 13:47:08 No.33341868 Report

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>>33340709
Please play some matches on showdown with your impressive strategies and teams. I want to see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:10:45 No.33341954 Report

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>>33340602
They wont trap each other and leftovers will heal less than a half of the recoil damage theill be getting each turn.

You're fucking retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:18:01 No.33341983 Report

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>>33340594
>shitty typing, stat distribution, and movepool
How? Just because it's not as obviously broken as Lele and Koko it doesn't mean it's not good, Choice Band Wood Hammer in Grassy Terrain destroys everything that doesn't resist it and even a decent chunk of things that do. Also you can abuse Grassy Terrain by building a team that revolves around bulky mons that are hindered by a weakness to Earthquake, my Tapu Bulu /Megagross/Toxapex core in early SM OU wrecked shit left and right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:22:47 No.33342003 Report

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>>33341954
It was true in gen II and III.
But yes, both Shadow Tag and Struggle mechanics has long since been changed.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:29:35 No.33342035 Report

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>>33342003
>Shadow Tag
>Gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:39:02 No.33342095 Report

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>>33339620
BST alone doesn't mean shit usually. Typing, ability, stat distribution, and movepool are all generally more important outside extreme cases.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:54:35 No.33342182 Report

Quoted By: >>33342278

They did some nice balancing last year, hopefully we'll see more of it on the next game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 14:56:09 No.33342190 Report

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>>33339659
Incineroar is trash

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 15:09:47 No.33342255 Report

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>>33339620
Huge Power Azumarill with 500+ BST

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Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 15:15:21 No.33342278 Report

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>>33342182

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 15:19:23 No.33342294 Report

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>>33340594
You do know that Bulu is OU because of how it completely shuts down Zygarde by typing, movepool, and stats? Grass isn't a shit typing it's only bad offensively. Mega Venusaur, Amoongus, Tangrowth, and Ferrothorn all say hello.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 15:36:14 No.33342399 Report

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>>33342255
>121/60/97/72/97/60
Not bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 17:11:16 No.33343157 Report

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>>33339620
makes eviolite op

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 17:22:19 No.33343256 Report

Quoted By: >>33344183

>>33342294
Grass is actually a very shitty defensive type being weak to 5 types, poison, flying, fire, ice and bug, while stats help what makes or break how good a grass type is defensively is his second type (M-Venu, Guss and Thorn) or his abilty (growth and M-Venu).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Aug 2017 18:46:47 No.33344183 Report

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>>33343256
Can be said about almost any type. Grass is really good defensively in the current meta.

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