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type order

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 12:56:29 No.33453381 View View Reply Original Report

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Does type order matter?
why is one a poison/water and the other is water/poison?
is it because the former is toxicer and the later is waterer?
is it just one of those pokemon logic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:06:07 No.33453405 Report

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>>33453381
The first type it's the essential type of the pokemon. The second one is another quirk the pokemon has, simply that i suppose.

A poison/water is essentially a very poisonous pokemon that happens to live in the waters; a water/poison is a water creature that happens to has poison abilities as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:07:10 No.33453408 Report

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>>33453405
*to have

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:08:21 No.33453411 Report

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>>33453405
>The first type it's the essential type of the pokemon. The second one is another quirk the pokemon has, simply that i suppose.
Nah. Pidgeot's flying abilities are more than just "another quirk". They're at the very core of what Pidgeot is about.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't really matter much, since in the end the effects are the same. It's really only about the designer's preference, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:12:15 No.33453430 Report

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>>33453411
Not exactly. Pidgeout is a normal type pokemon (because it's simply a bird shaped one) that also has the ability to fly (therefore the secondary flying type). There are deep logic and lores behind all the choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:13:19 No.33453433 Report

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>>33453381
Is waterer/toxicer the new dragon that clouds/cloud that dragons?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:18:24 No.33453453 Report

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>>33453381
Yes, It matter.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:21:26 No.33453461 Report

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>>33453381
Because, It's important.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:23:39 No.33453468 Report

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Doors order change weakness/effective? I've always wondered this but never really checked it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:24:20 No.33453472 Report

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>>33453411
You can't really use flying as an example, it's more or an exception as there's only one Pokemon that's solely flying type and one line as a primary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:25:07 No.33453473 Report

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>>33453381
>STAB and resists are reduced to 25% for secondary type, weakness on secondary type reduced to x1.5
how does the meta change

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:25:57 No.33453479 Report

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>>33453468
No, it's just flavor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:26:50 No.33453484 Report

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thats a to big question for a human to be answerd

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:27:29 No.33453489 Report

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>>33453430
You're moving goalposts. You just said the second typing is "another quirk", as if it were just something else it has, and now you're saying "it also has that ability". Which is it, a quirk or something it can do? Because in Pidgeot's case it's at the very core of it (much more than being another normal type), so much that its whole Mega is pretty much only about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:28:33 No.33453494 Report

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>>33453453
>>33453461
There's virtually nothing relevant about this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:29:07 No.33453499 Report

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>>33453381
My headcanon is that the first type represent the pokemon more than the second type

Like Gengar is more ghost type than poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:30:08 No.33453505 Report

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>>33453411
Well Noivern is more flying than dragon, but that is because the dragon is a minor part of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:30:21 No.33453507 Report

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>>33453411
No, you're absolutely wrong. >>33453405 is correct. Compare Tornadus to Pidgeot for what constitutes Flying being central to the Pokemon. Tornadus' whole schtic is that it's wind incarnate -- not Normal at all. Pidgeot is merely a bird-like Pokemon who flies.

Sure, it doesn't matter from a game perspective as the mechanics are the same no matter the order, but it definitely matters from a lore/theming perspective.

>Geodude line, Onix - Rock/Ground
Living beings composed of rock who live underground
>Rhyhorn line - Ground/Rock
Creatures with an affinity for Ground-based attacks with rock-like armor plating

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:30:22 No.33453508 Report

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>>33453381
It actually does based on design and concept. Being poisonous isn't as prominent/emphasized on Tentacool's design compared Mararine's.

Omega Ruby entry:
>Tentacool's body is largely composed of water. If it is removed from the sea, it dries up like parchment. If this Pokémon happens to become dehydrated, put it back into the sea.

The jellyfish mostly seen as typical aquatic creature with stinging capabilities. Which is why Water takes priority.

Mareanie in comparison has a hazardous-looking design at a glance, which is why Poison type takes priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:31:51 No.33453517 Report

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>>33453381
Primary type dictates design, with accents of the other type being part of the primary design
i.e. Tentacool is a jellyfish with poison sacs, Mareanie is a purple (usually associated with poison) thorned creature styalized after a crown-of-thorns starfish in its attack animation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:33:06 No.33453521 Report

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>>33453505
I'd argue the exact opposite but whatever.

>>33453507
Pidgeot is a bird Pokemon. That in itself says more about Flying than about "being Normal" like Raticate or Ursaring.

>lore/themeing
>made of rock lives in ground
In practical terms, both rocks and ground are pretty much the same.
>affinity for ground with rock body
So, just like the above? Nice going genious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:33:06 No.33453522 Report

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>>33453489
It's the same. Pidgey line is of a normal type pokemon that can also fly. It' doesn't fly all the times. And as another one on the thread said the flying type can be considered an exception for it's backstory and the fact that basically there is just one line with flying as primary type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:34:34 No.33453528 Report

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>>33453507
Exactly what i meant! Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:34:41 No.33453529 Report

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>>33453489
No goalposts were moved. In the same post where he described it as "another quirk," he also said:
>a water/poison is a water creature that happens to has poison abilities as well.
>poison abilities
Obviously he was including "abilities" under "quirks" from the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:34:45 No.33453531 Report

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>>33453522
>It' doesn't fly all the times.
It literally pretty much does that. So much that that's how it looks in battle.
>flying is an exception
Then why did they make it secondary to begin with? To me, it's all the same and makes no real difference whatsoever apart from whatever far fetched thematics you're all trying to hold on to.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:35:24 No.33453535 Report

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>>33453430

>there are deep logic and lores behind all of the choices

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:36:04 No.33453536 Report

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>>33453521
Flying type is related both to wind and to the concept of having wings because of it's backstory. Pidgeot is just a normal type that is able to fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:36:15 No.33453537 Report

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>>33453529
>happens to have
Learn to read. It's not the same to say "oh it just happens to have this thing" and to say "oh it definitely had this thing".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:37:41 No.33453542 Report

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Why isn't Drifloon Flying/Ghost? As a balloon, being part of the air is more core to what it is than a ghost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:38:17 No.33453546 Report

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>>33453531
But it's freakin bird, it's not composed of wind and air or is the incarnation of the winds like Tornadus. It's a normal animal with the ability to fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:38:23 No.33453547 Report

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>>33453542
Does it really matter? Effectively, being Type 1/Type 2 or being Type 2/Type 1 is the same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:39:31 No.33453552 Report

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>>33453546
>>33453536
And Goldeen is just a normal animal that lives under water. It's not composed of watery fluids like Manaphy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:40:31 No.33453555 Report

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>>33453537
Was just an example. Let's put it like this: primary type = the essence of the pokemon. Secondary type = the second importan basic concept it has.

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bonkbonkSUPREME !xs255Og7dU Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:40:40 No.33453556 Report

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>>33453430
Right, just like Noivern is a flying thing that happens to dragon and Sawsbuck is a normal deer that happens to grass at times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:41:17 No.33453558 Report

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>>33453552
It is a sack of water fluids. This allows it to use techniques like Water Gun by shooting its outsides.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:41:21 No.33453560 Report

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>>33453537
I think you're reading too much into his choice of words. Certainly the difference in meaning is not so fine as to constitute "moving the goalposts."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:41:30 No.33453561 Report

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>>33453542
It doesn't have control over the winds, just like say Hoppip. Flying really isn't the best one for the autists in this thread to be bitching about since it's really more Wind type than just Flying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:42:01 No.33453563 Report

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>>33453507
In general I agree with you but Flying is just fucked since someone decided that it always had to be the secondary typing until gen V.
Take Swablu as a prime example, the most significant thing about it is the cloud like wings, and it is based on a giant bird who's wings were mistaken for clouds and body for the sky itself. It also evolves into a dragon. There is absolutely nothing Normal about Swablu and it just screams pure Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:42:20 No.33453564 Report

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>>33453552
That's because water type is not "swimming" type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:42:36 No.33453566 Report

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>>33453555
I disagree but whatever. Noivern is much more Wyvern than a wind/air based creature, but suit yourself.

>>33453558
Who's to say Pidgeot is not a sack of air too? Where are you getting this from? To me, Goldeen is just a fish. Should've been Normal/Water according to your own logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:43:50 No.33453568 Report

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>>33453564
Goldeen, or Seel for that matter, has as much to do with Water as Pidgeot has to do with air.

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bonkbonkSUPREME !xs255Og7dU Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:44:11 No.33453571 Report

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>>33453566
No Goldeen is a water that waters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:44:35 No.33453573 Report

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>>33453566
Pidgeot is made of normal-type material. Bibarel is an example of a normal-type that is capable of water stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:45:01 No.33453574 Report

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>>33453561
You're the autists trying to find meaning where there isn't one.
>it's j-just an e-exception to a rule
Then it's not really a rule, now is it ya dingus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:45:18 No.33453575 Report

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>>33453556
Don't be stupid. Noivern is a flying creature that has dragon genetics and Sawsbuck is a normal deer that has strong conncetion with nature, changes it's mane with the seasons and has wooden made horns. It literally grows flowers and moss and leaves on it as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:46:06 No.33453577 Report

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>>33453573
How do you know this? Why is Goldeen made of Water but Pidgeot can't be made of air too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:46:10 No.33453578 Report

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>>33453566
>Who's to say Pidgeot is not a sack of air too?
Does it have a move called Air Gun? Checkmate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:46:56 No.33453583 Report

Quoted By: >>33453589

>>33453552
>And Goldeen is just a normal animal that lives under water.
Pretty sure it's existence thrives on underwater. Unlike Pidgey, who is capable of non-airborne mobility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:47:08 No.33453585 Report

Quoted By: >>33453598 >>33453616

>>33453575
>Noivern is a flying creature that has dragon genetics
Exactly like Dragonite and Salamence, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:48:22 No.33453589 Report

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>>33453583
>And Pidgeot is just a normal animal that lives flying.
Pretty sure it's existence thrives on air. Unlike Seel, who is capable of non-waterborne mobility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:48:59 No.33453593 Report

Quoted By: >>33453604

>>33453574
>the ability to create literal hurricanes is somehow more tied to being able to fly rather than use wind elemental powers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:49:25 No.33453595 Report

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>>33453577
Because it can't live outside of water without external help, while Pidgeot is okay to be landed for long duration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:49:26 No.33453596 Report

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>>33453578
It has a move called Hurricane and a whole Mega built around that move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:49:44 No.33453598 Report

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>>33453585
Noivern isn't purely a reptile though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:49:59 No.33453600 Report

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>>33453568
I'm not trying to explain. I just answered the OP's question. Type order matters in terms of lore, just that. GF choose not to add normal type to everything but you can find the logic anyway: being a water type means the pokemon is able to use and control water in general. Flying type is a pretty different thing. Remember the backstory of the flying type and the fact that an ancient proto type called "bird" type existed at the beginning with the same quirks of the normal one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:50:33 No.33453604 Report

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>>33453593
I just noticed I replyied to the wrong post.

>>33453595
Actually it does live outside of water in every battle it has, but whatever, fine, take Seel or Krabby then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:51:11 No.33453608 Report

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>>33453461
>>33453453
FUCK OFF RICHARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:51:35 No.33453610 Report

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>>33453598
Neither is Dratini.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:51:38 No.33453611 Report

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>>33453574
What? If there's an exception there MUST be a rule. That's why the expression "The exception proves the rule" exists, ya dingus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:52:49 No.33453616 Report

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>>33453585
Not the same because Dragonite and Salamence are Dragon creatures that inherited the ability to fly due the wings (and don't start compelling how small Dragonite's wings are, GF decided that despite the look, those wings are able to make it fly). Noivern instead started primarly as a flying creature only with dragonic DNA (like its was stated in the dex entry for Kingdra).

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bonkbonkSUPREME !xs255Og7dU Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:52:59 No.33453617 Report

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>>33453575
Okay I'm done with the shitposting but I have an actual question now.Does this mean Noivern has a stronger connection to the sky than say Pidgeot or do they share an equal importance in flying?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:53:21 No.33453619 Report

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>>33453611
>If there's an exception there MUST be a rule.
Except this isn't "just an exception" but pretty much the core argument. Flying is as much of a typing as Water, yet you autists claim all Water mons are more "watery" than anything else, including bird being Flying beings.

>>33453600
It really doesn't seem to matter at all. In practical terms, it's all the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:53:24 No.33453620 Report

Quoted By: >>33453667

>>33453596
But is it expelling the wind from its insides or just stirring up shit with its wings?

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Sableye sitting on a head Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:53:33 No.33453623 Report

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>>33453556
Noivern can't be primarily dragon because wyverns are not dragons. But wyverns are dragon-like hence dragon being secondary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:55:00 No.33453632 Report

Quoted By: >>33453690

>>33453616
>Noivern instead started primarly as a flying creature only with dragonic DNA
What the fuck does this even mean? Having Dragon DNA MEANS you're a Dragon as much as Dragonite, which also has Dragon DNA. Changing the word order doesn't change that fact. And also, where is the dex entry for this. Stop making stupid claims people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:55:53 No.33453638 Report

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>>33453617
It doesn't. Instead Noivern is less dragon than Pidgeot is normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:56:02 No.33453640 Report

Quoted By: >>33453666

>>33453623
>Noivern can't be primarily dragon because wyverns are not dragons.
But birds (Altaria) are. Nice going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:56:19 No.33453644 Report

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>>33453610
>Literally a serpent
Explain

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:56:40 No.33453646 Report

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>>33453521
>bird Pokmon
>says more about Flying than about "being Normal" like Raticate or Ursaring.
Psyduck/Golduck, Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken, Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon, Decidueye
>In practical terms, both rocks and ground are pretty much the same
Obviously not in Pokemon lore, you fucking moron
>affinity for ground with rock body
Nope, affinity for Ground with rock-like plating. Your own fault for misinterpreting.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:57:05 No.33453648 Report

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>>33453644
All I see is a weird cartoony eel.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:57:33 No.33453649 Report

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>This entire thread.
>This entire board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:57:46 No.33453653 Report

Quoted By: >>33453661

Are all you forgetting Noibat exists and is literally the only reason Noivern is Flying/Dragon and not the other way around?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:58:08 No.33453656 Report

Quoted By: >>33453693

>>33453646
>Nope, affinity for Ground with rock-like plating. Your own fault for misinterpreting.
Affinity for something matters more than how your body is literally made of? And I'm misinterpreting? Nice going doofus.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:58:50 No.33453660 Report

Quoted By: >>33453670 >>33453678

From a gameplay perspective, would type order matter. Like, what would happen if a Grass / Water Pokemon were hit with a Fire-type attack, as opposed to a Water / Grass Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:58:53 No.33453661 Report

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>>33453653
What makes Noibat particularly Flying?
Zubat does the "echolocation" thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:59:21 No.33453664 Report

Quoted By: >>33453854

>>33453617
I never said the connection is stronger for the primary type ones rather the secondary type ones. I just said the primary type is the essence of the pokemon itself and the second one is another essence, but is secondary as the name suggests. Pidgey line is about a bird pokemon (that's normal type) with the ability to fly. Noivern is a fierce flying creature with some dragonic DNA. Why do you insist on the Pidgeot line and not on the omnipresent "first routes" bird pokemon that share the same type combinations as well? Just because Pidgeot is able to summun hurricanes? That's because it has strong wings, therefore it's secondary flying type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:59:29 No.33453666 Report

Quoted By: >>33453678 >>33453745

>>33453640
Palkia is a water that dragons
Hydriegon is a dark that also dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:59:31 No.33453667 Report

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>>33453620
Idk I guess. It doesn't really stir up anything from its insides at all, I guess it shouldn't really have a primary typing at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 13:59:55 No.33453670 Report

Quoted By: >>33453688

>>33453660
Same effect. In Gen 1 the readout over type effectiveness would change, but not the damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:00:34 No.33453678 Report

Quoted By: >>33453688

>>33453666
Makes sense, satan.

>>33453660
It doesn't make any difference at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:02:04 No.33453688 Report

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>>33453670
>>33453678

Thanks based anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:02:25 No.33453690 Report

Quoted By: >>33453725 >>33453812 >>33454034

>>33453632
No, because it's the Kingdra case all over again. Horsea and Seadra are just water type but in gen 2 a new evolution occured and in a dex entry (i'll search for it) it's stated that Seadra evolved in Kingdra because due the dragonscale it was able to unlock the latent dragonic DNA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:02:38 No.33453693 Report

Quoted By: >>33453812

>>33453656
It's literally just you arguing ya sperg.

Look at Rhyhorn. It looks like a rhino-based creature. It's plating, which makes up a small part of its body, is rock-like. Now look at Geodude, which is literally a living bolder.

Here's your (You), pal.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:03:13 No.33453700 Report

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>>33453617
Because Noivern is cuter and gets special privileges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:06:58 No.33453717 Report

Quoted By: >>33466817

I view it as Noivern's sound-based abilities coming through via the waves it creates in the air -- ergo, Flying. That's why sound will never get its own type, as either Normal or Flying work as a fill-in (depending on the creature itself).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:08:24 No.33453725 Report

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>>33453690
Sorry, wasn't a dex entry but it was stated in the gen 2 games. Reasearcher found out a particular DNA gene in Seadra, absent in horsea, that can trigger the evolution to Kingdra (therefore the dragon type as secondary one).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:12:57 No.33453745 Report

Quoted By: >>33453761 >>33454386

>>33453666
Palkia is like the best example. It is a dimensional dragon god that rules over space yet it is primary Water, despite its only connection being the pearls on its shoulders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:16:01 No.33453761 Report

Quoted By: >>33453853 >>33453926

>>33453745
Palkia is primary Water because it's the incarnation of space and because it rapresents the fluid state of matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:26:32 No.33453812 Report

Quoted By: >>33454027

>>33453693
>a small part of its body vs the whole body
You're not explaining why it's Ground type in the first place. Affinity just means it likes ground, just like Geodude. And it's body, just like Geodude, has Rock parts, like you said.
Your turn.

>>33453690
...What does this have anything to do with Noivern?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:27:04 No.33453817 Report

Quoted By: >>33453826

>>33453468
It did in gen 1 I think. STAB drawn from the primary type and weakness from the secondary. But don't quote me on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:29:14 No.33453826 Report

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>>33453817
No this is absolutely wrong. STAB was drawn from both types, and weakness from both as well. There was simply a bug where the message after the move said it "was very effective/not very effective" depending on the first type, even if the second type gave it a neutrality. E.g. Gyarados being hit by Razor Leaf took real neutral damage but the messaging bug said "It's super effective".

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:33:37 No.33453853 Report

Quoted By: >>33453885 >>33453926 >>33453929 >>33454176 >>33454368

>>33453761
Palkia's main thing is distorting space by creating portals or rifts, in space. That has nothing to do with water.
It representing the fluid state is such a small detail about it that has no business being its prime typing. Hell, the idea that they represent the states of matter is almost a fan theory by how weak it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:33:46 No.33453854 Report

Quoted By: >>33453915

>>33453664
>i never said one is stronger than the other, just that one is the essence and the other is just secondary
Are you fucking dumb? Serious question. This legit sounds like you have a two digit IQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:39:09 No.33453885 Report

Quoted By: >>33453932

>>33453853
no, the states of matter thing is the only way that legendary trio typing makes any sense at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:45:27 No.33453915 Report

Quoted By: >>33453923

>>33453854
>This legit sounds like you have a two digit IQ.
An IQ of 99 is only one point below the median, anon. Be more specific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:47:07 No.33453923 Report

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>>33453915
One point below average, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:47:50 No.33453926 Report

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>>33453761
>>33453853
>fluid state
*liquid state

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:48:09 No.33453929 Report

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>>33453853
I hope they seriously explain this in way better terms in the inevitable remakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:48:29 No.33453932 Report

Quoted By: >>33453943

>>33453885
>having to come up with a theory for the typings which isn't even hinted at by the pokémon themselves
>still saying "deep thought went into the meaning and lore behind pokémon's types'"
Come the fuck on anon. You're essentially saying you have to fill in the gaps because some types make no sense with what the games give you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:50:36 No.33453943 Report

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>>33453932
Exactly. Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 14:52:20 No.33453955 Report

Quoted By:

>this thread
I was wondering when we'd get to this topic

and it's playing out EXACTLY as I thought it would

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:02:35 No.33454027 Report

Quoted By: >>33454042

>>33453812
>choosing not to accept the explanation given

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:03:56 No.33454034 Report

Quoted By: >>33454052 >>33454053 >>33454062 >>33454079

>>33453690
Great. Now explain to me why despite the Pokedex saying that Magikarp has Dragon DNA that it, Gyarados, and especially Mega Gyarados aren't Dragon type.

If any of you scholars can give me one ONE good reason why Mega Gyarados isn't a Dragon. I'll never question /vp/ again, and don't pull the whole "it's dark cause it's vicious" BS. If that's the case then regular Gyarados should have been retconned into a Water/Dark in Gen II.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:05:11 No.33454042 Report

Quoted By: >>33454060 >>33454117

>>33454027
What explanation? I asked about Noivern, got nothing about it. I asked about Rhyhorn, got partial deflective answers. Give me real arguments, people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:06:21 No.33454052 Report

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>>33454034
Because it lost its dragon-typing as punishment from the gods for its rampaging.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:06:35 No.33454053 Report

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>>33454034
Because having a Pokemon capable of being a Dragon before the second gym would totally break the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:07:27 No.33454060 Report

Quoted By: >>33454069

>>33454042
It's Pokemon, anon, everything can be hand waved off as "that's what Gamefreak decided." You're looking into this way too seriously.

I've seen people offer you explanations that aren't good enough, so just accept the fact that other people have their own headcanon which you don't buy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:08:09 No.33454062 Report

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>>33454034
>despite the Pokedex saying that Magikarp has Dragon DNA
Where is this entry?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:08:17 No.33454064 Report

Quoted By:

>>33453473
Make a new thread for this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:08:48 No.33454069 Report

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>>33454060
I'm absolutely fine with no explanations, that's my argument. There is no real reason for anything.
I just want to show it to these people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:09:14 No.33454071 Report

Quoted By:

IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD WE LIVE IN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:10:03 No.33454079 Report

Quoted By: >>33454094 >>33454103

>>33454034
The real issue with Gyarados is the fact it's STILL Water/Flying. What I want to know is why Flying? Why not pure water? Or why not make it Water/Dark in Gen ll like in the post above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:11:50 No.33454094 Report

Quoted By: >>33454122

>>33454079
Cause it summons Hurricanes, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:14:12 No.33454103 Report

Quoted By: >>33454118

>>33454079
Secondary types have never been retconned. Except for the Togepi line, but they changed from Normal.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:16:26 No.33454113 Report

Quoted By: >>33454130 >>33454138 >>33454315

I always assumed it had to do with "visibly noticable type" and "secondary". There are a few exceptions but in that case I see it as "strongest" type first. I'm sure Hydrigon is better at using dark moves than dragon moves.

For example with this pic, Mermaid A would be Normal/Water, while Mermaid B would be Water/Normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:16:54 No.33454117 Report

Quoted By: >>33454157

>>33454042
The Geodude line and Rhyhorn line have connections to/an affinity for the ground. Geodude line lives in the ground, Rhyhorn line develops drill horns to drill through the ground.

Look at one, look at the other -- the Geodude line is clearly more rock-like. Also, looking at Pokedex entries, the plating on Rhyhorn doesn't cover its whole body, and it might not even be rock -- just a very tough, rock-like material.

Ergo, both lines have an affinity for Ground and Rock types. The Geodude line is composed mostly of rocks, while the Rhydon line has a rocky, tough hide exterior -- they aren't living rocks. That's the main difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:16:59 No.33454118 Report

Quoted By: >>33454137

>>33454103
Or via mega/alolan, but that's almost like a new Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:17:23 No.33454122 Report

Quoted By: >>33454157

>>33454094
So can Whimsicott and Volcarona. Dark is still a more fitting type when you consider the reasons for WHY it's causing the hurricanes. On top of that. It's dex entries also make not of how burns down villages and such. Why not fire type? It learns far more Dark and Fire type moves than flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:18:29 No.33454130 Report

Quoted By: >>33454153 >>33454337

>>33454113
Top half human, of course. You get tits, ass, and blowjobs. And don't have to look at a fish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:19:14 No.33454135 Report

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>>33453468
What if the primary type gave more weight to weaknesses/resistances and STAB?

Like primary type gives calculations like they current do, but the secondary type instead has its weaknesses have a 1.5 multiplier, resistances have a .75 multiplier, and STAB have a 1.25 multiplier.

How does this change the meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:19:31 No.33454137 Report

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>>33454118
Those don't count because they are either functionally new Pokemon in every way but name, or a temporary form change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:19:35 No.33454138 Report

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>>33454113
Fish are boring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:23:01 No.33454153 Report

Quoted By: >>33454166

>>33454130
Top half clearly doesn't have an ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:23:14 No.33454157 Report

Quoted By: >>33454213

>>33454117
You're still not explaining why Rhyhorn is a primary Ground type to begin with. Your whole argument is based on the fact that Rhyhorn is something else besides Rock - well, what is it then?

>>33454122
It learns like two attacking Dark moves, lets not get ahead of ourselves. And the third Fire move it learns is Incinerate - hardly anything relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:24:25 No.33454166 Report

Quoted By: >>33454170

>>33454153
Not a human one, but her body can very clearly bend there, and she has wide hips like a human.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:25:11 No.33454170 Report

Quoted By: >>33454187 >>33454196

>>33454166
Where would you stick it tho?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:26:48 No.33454176 Report

Quoted By: >>33454184 >>33454341

>>33453853
Space in many philosphies have been represented by the vast, large ocean. I mean there's reason travels in space have been represented with the word "voyage" which also means travel by water/sea. Or where the naut in "austronaut" came from. There's even a big ass tvtropes page about this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:27:49 No.33454184 Report

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>>33454176
>philosphies
You mean religions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:28:15 No.33454187 Report

Quoted By: >>33454200

>>33454170
cloaca.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:29:26 No.33454196 Report

Quoted By: >>33454208

>>33454170
Don't need to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:29:53 No.33454200 Report

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>>33454187
Disgusting. Fucking zoophiles get outta here. Only thing I'd ask that bitch would be a blowjob and a tit grope and it'd be stretching it if the bitch didn't know any English.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:31:02 No.33454208 Report

Quoted By: >>33454212

>>33454196
Why would you mention the ass part then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:31:37 No.33454211 Report

Quoted By: >>33460026

>>33453473
that would be a cool change but a mess when trying to learn the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:31:39 No.33454212 Report

Quoted By: >>33454235

>>33454208
Because I think clothed asses are nice to look at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:31:39 No.33454213 Report

Quoted By: >>33454220 >>33454276 >>33466869

>>33454157
Why are Nidoqueen/king Ground types? Why is the Bulbasaur line Poison?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:33:12 No.33454220 Report

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>>33454213
Bulbasaur learns tons of Poison moves and has tons of stuff relating it to Poison, like how Venusaur's flower is poisonous and how it secretes stuff or whatever.
As to the Nidos, however, beats me. Probably the same reason all them Kaiju looking mons in Gen 1 were Ground type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:35:06 No.33454235 Report

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>>33454212
It's a bunch of fish scales anon, it looks and smells gross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:42:05 No.33454276 Report

Quoted By: >>33466869

>>33454213
Nidoking and Nidoqueen kinda looks like Rhydon, which is also ground type. So the reason Rhydon is ground type is also the reason the Nidos are ground types also.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:48:16 No.33454315 Report

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>>33454113
>tfw no cute mermaid gf

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:49:03 No.33454321 Report

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Primary type is important for certain moves, like Revelation Dance, whose type is based on the primary type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:51:55 No.33454337 Report

Quoted By: >>33454366

>>33454130
>not picking B

Just impregnate the human bottom, get a few girls or boys if you're into that, and wait a few years.
Sure it might suck a bit the meanwhile but in the end you have a 100% human loli/shota harem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:52:08 No.33454341 Report

Quoted By: >>33454352

>>33454176
Palkia doesn't represent outer space, it represents three dimensional space in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:54:29 No.33454352 Report

Quoted By: >>33454363

>>33454341
Three dimensional space in general is just the mathematic description of space, whether outer or here on Earth. It's still related to space anyway, we clearly see on the D/P/Pt/HG/SS animations a bunch of references to stars and galaxies. The evil team's name is also Team Galactic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:56:03 No.33454363 Report

Quoted By: >>33454385

>>33454352
It is as much related to outer space as Dialga.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:56:13 No.33454366 Report

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>>33454337
>Sure it might suck a bit the meanwhile but in the end you have a 100% human loli/shota harem.
>100% human
And why would I want that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:56:23 No.33454368 Report

Quoted By: >>33454466

>>33453853
I figured it distorted space with the water molecules in the air. Then again, outer space doesn't have water molecules.
Yeah, I don't get it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:58:34 No.33454385 Report

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>>33454363
I suppose. I'm not the initial anon making the argument, I don't get Palkia and Dialga's typings at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 15:58:46 No.33454386 Report

Quoted By: >>33454392

>>33453745
>despite its only connection being the pearls on its shoulders.

I thought it was because in quantym mechanics, every particle can be described as a wave. And wave = water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:00:05 No.33454392 Report

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>>33454386
Palkia is about space, not matter. Particles have nothing to do with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:05:24 No.33454408 Report

Quoted By: >>33454459 >>33454463

>>33453563
But its wings are not actually clouds, they're a cotton-like substance.

And Altaria is a dragon that clouds, not a cloud that dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:11:46 No.33454450 Report

Quoted By: >>33454464 >>33454472

Can somebody explain Noivern and Marshadow? Noivern is definitely a dragon first and foremost, with is ability to fly coming second. And Marshadow's lore and level up movepool makes it seem like it's a ghost that only learned martial arts from copying other.

Or hell, Klefki. Since it's a fairy at its core, but what makes it unique from others is its affinity for keys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:13:30 No.33454459 Report

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>>33454408
>not actually clouds, they're a cotton-like substance
Same thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:13:58 No.33454460 Report

Quoted By: >>33459812

>>33453461
>>33453453
FUCK OFF RICHARD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:14:28 No.33454463 Report

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>>33454408
They're usually called "like cottony clouds", the point is still that there is nothing Normal about it and the wings representing clouds is by far the most important aspect of it.

Don't even bring up Altaria, particularly Mega Altaria rustles my jimmies, the cloud like appendages are the most important aspect of it yet they made it Dragon/Fairy, both types only vaguely represented in its design and description, just so it got a unique typing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:14:36 No.33454464 Report

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>>33454450
Noivern is a bird that dragons, not a dragon that birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:14:59 No.33454466 Report

Quoted By:

>>33454368
It's dimensional space not outer space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:17:26 No.33454472 Report

Quoted By: >>33454560

>>33454450
It "copies" movements because it's a shadow.
Klefki is also very obviously part metal (specifically, part key).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:32:28 No.33454546 Report

Quoted By: >>33454563 >>33454564 >>33454586

>>33453381
Guys the shit is very simple:

>Primary type: the pokemon can learn all the moves from this type from TM/HM or move tutor.

>Secondary type: just the other pokemon's type

the end.

All the birds are Normal / Flying, because not all the birds can Fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:34:42 No.33454560 Report

Quoted By: >>33454571

>>33454472
Of course Klefki is part metal, but at the core of its design all of its lore come from faerie tales.

And I'm also not seeing how that Marshadow one disagrees with what I'm saying. It's still a shadow and copies people first and foremost, but it learned martial arts from doing that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:35:47 No.33454563 Report

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>>33454546
>Primary type: the pokemon can learn all the moves from this type from TM/HM or move tuto
This is blatantly false.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:35:51 No.33454564 Report

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>>33454546
Gible can't learn Spacial Rend

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:36:35 No.33454571 Report

Quoted By: >>33454579 >>33454596

>>33454560
The core of its design is keys. Stop over complicating it.
There's nothing about Marshadow that says it "learned" from copying. It copies because it's a shadow. It's a fighter because it copies movements. No where is it implied that's how it "learned".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:37:29 No.33454579 Report

Quoted By: >>33454599

>>33454571
But it copies because it's a shadow. So the shadow part still comes first. Also
>over-complicating
>when it's literally a fairy
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:38:14 No.33454586 Report

Quoted By: >>33454640

>>33454546
This is wrong by your own example: most bird Pokemon can't learn most Normal type moves (even basic ones like Hyper Voice). And if not all birds can Fly, then not all of them are Normal/Flying (which is a fact contrary to what you said).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:39:42 No.33454596 Report

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>>33454571
Klefki' design comes from the fact that it steals keys, which comes from fairy tales. If anything Fairy/Steel fits better because the whole key thing comes FROM the fact that it's a fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:39:57 No.33454599 Report

Quoted By: >>33454613 >>33454665

>>33454579
Which one comes first is absolutely irrelevant. You asked about Klefki, you got your dumb answer. I don't see where you're getting at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:42:09 No.33454613 Report

Quoted By: >>33454657

>>33454599
>Which one comes first is absolutely irrelevant
You sure you're in the right thread man? That's the entire point of this thread.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:43:26 No.33454621 Report

Quoted By: >>33454636

>>33453381
It's completely fucking arbitrary. The only thing that "matters" about it is that mega forms must keep the mon's primary type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:45:35 No.33454636 Report

Quoted By: >>33454706

>>33454621
If it is completely arbitrary then there is nothing stopping them from changing a mon's primary typing upon mega evolution in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:45:59 No.33454640 Report

Quoted By: >>33454657

>>33454586
Hyper Voice isn't a TM move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:48:17 No.33454657 Report

Quoted By: >>33454677

>>33454613
I think the order of typing is irrelevant, but even then it sort of makes sense:
>Klefi is a key first, with the fairy lore second
>Marshadow is a fighter first, that can transform into a shadow and copy opponents second (where the signature move comes from)
Or you can read this vice versa and realize it's actually completely irrelevant.

>>33454640
It's a move tutor move. Tons of Pokemon learn it, but not Pidgeot or Fearow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:48:27 No.33454661 Report

Quoted By: >>33454703

>>33453507
>pidgeot is merely a bird-like pokemon who flies
>flying is not central to it

i want to see you explain noibat and noivern. they aren't wind incarnate either but are flying first dragon second.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:48:43 No.33454664 Report

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>>33453405
So that means Noctowls have more to do with normalness than their ability to fly.
Now we're finally getting somewhere...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:48:44 No.33454665 Report

Quoted By: >>33454672

>>33454599
>thread about why the primary typing and typing order matters
:discussion in this thread has been entirely about this specific topic
>"Durr which one comes first is irrelevant! What are you even getting at???"
Good god you're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:49:42 No.33454672 Report

Quoted By: >>33454682

>>33454665
The question sounded more like "why does this Pokemon have this typing" than "why is this the order". My bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:50:36 No.33454677 Report

Quoted By: >>33454682

>>33454657
I can see Klefki, but Marshadow really is just made out of shadows, and also happens to have the ability to punch things. I brought up it, Klefki, and Noivern to basically use OP's logic to explain WHY typing order is irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:51:15 No.33454682 Report

Quoted By: >>33454693

>>33454677
See >>33454672
I totally misread your post, sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:52:50 No.33454693 Report

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>>33454682
It's cool, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:53:44 No.33454700 Report

Quoted By: >>33454718 >>33455093

What is Drampa?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:54:09 No.33454703 Report

Quoted By: >>33454714 >>33466191

>>33454661
>normal bat somehow considered a dragon before actually turning into a wyvern
*laughs* I don't really know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:54:25 No.33454706 Report

Quoted By: >>33454738

>>33454636
There's nothing stopping them from doing anything. But megas keeping their primary type is an observable, consistent rule that they follow. Whereas type order has no consistent pattern, reasoning or relevance outside the mega type rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:55:37 No.33454714 Report

Quoted By: >>33454725

>>33454703
The other normal bats all have Flying as a secondary type. Your headcanon does not fit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:56:08 No.33454718 Report

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>>33454700
A normal grandpa that dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:57:10 No.33454725 Report

Quoted By: >>33454756

>>33454714
>Your
>implying I'm OP
excuse me I'm just making fun of masuda's "logic"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 16:59:34 No.33454738 Report

Quoted By: >>33455206

>>33454706
A pattern is not a rule. A pattern merely says what has happened and you can base future predictions upon it, but a rule states how it shall be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 17:01:55 No.33454756 Report

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>>33454725
Sorry, couldn't detect your sarcasm here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 17:07:39 No.33454789 Report

Quoted By: >>33455073

>>33453499
This, secondary type is a way to tell that the Pokémon got some specialization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 17:13:18 No.33454840 Report

Quoted By: >>33455073

You could argue that Pidgeot is normal in the sense that it represents a normal animal: a bird, in the same way that ratata represents a normal rat, and miltank represents a normal cow.
Other Pokemon are often more "unrealistic", like that flying metal bird (forgot its name) is not normal at all.
So in this case Pidgeot is normal/fly because it's a normal animal, and it flies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 17:52:44 No.33455073 Report

Quoted By: >>33455130 >>33455321

>>33454789
>>33454840
Explain Noivern then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 17:55:10 No.33455093 Report

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>>33454700
a luck dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:01:21 No.33455130 Report

Quoted By: >>33455139

>>33455073
Noivern is a flying creature that has some dragon-like characteristics. If it was able to have 3 types, it would be Normal/Flying/Dragon. It's not primarily a dragon like Salamence is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:03:25 No.33455139 Report

Quoted By: >>33455223 >>33455247

>>33455130
What does being "primarily" a dragon mean? It's a Dragon, period. All Flying types are secondarily Flying except the single one that doesn't have another type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:13:21 No.33455206 Report

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>>33454738
A pattern is incidental, a rule is deliberate. By that logic the game has no rules because everything is arbitrated by Gamefreak, and they can break their own rules anytime. But the fact remains that megas have changed, added and even removed secondary types, but kept primary type even if it would be beneficial to change it. It's a rule that they have followed so far. Type order on the other hand has absolutely no such rules or patterns, it's irrelevant.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:13:24 No.33455208 Report

Quoted By: >>33455266

Is Mawile a fairy that has steel or steel in the shape of a fairy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:15:06 No.33455223 Report

Quoted By: >>33455333

>>33455139
And Noivern.

It's not a wind elemental, it's an animal that flies. Just like bird mons. There is no pattern to it. Cease this autism at once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:17:53 No.33455247 Report

Quoted By: >>33455333

>>33455139
No, not at all dragon types are actual dragons. For example A-Execuggor, M-Ampharos, M-Sceptile.

In this case Noivern is closer to a bat than a dragon. He is the sound pokemon, and sound = normal in Pokemon. Since gameplay limits him to only 2 types, it's more fun to make him a flying/dragon instead of normal/dragon with levitate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:20:48 No.33455266 Report

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>>33455208
steel on the outside, fairy in the inside
>>33453617
it's a cloud that dragons, simple as that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:22:36 No.33455277 Report

Quoted By: >>33455333

>>33453405
fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:23:10 No.33455283 Report

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>>33453617
No, it just means that Noivern has a stronger connection to flying than it does to being a dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:27:10 No.33455310 Report

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It might have to do with egg groups/breeding too. Anorith is a water/bug not bug/water, and it is in the water egg group primairly and can't breed with other bugs. Or maybe not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:28:36 No.33455321 Report

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>>33455073
When sound type becomes a thing it'll replace its flying type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 18:30:43 No.33455333 Report

Quoted By: >>33457386

>>33455277
No.

>>33455223
That's my point.

>>33455247
Other bat mons are secondarily, not primarily Flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 20:38:28 No.33456289 Report

Quoted By: >>33456313

>>33453381

>Does type order matter?
No.

>Why is one a Poison/Water and the other is Water/Poison?

Game Freak thought a dual-typed Pokemon had more in common with one type than another.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 20:41:35 No.33456313 Report

Quoted By: >>33456350

>>33456289
You're contradicting yourself.
What OP is asking is if the type order means that the pokémon has a stronger affinity towards the first type, not if it matter mechanically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 20:44:42 No.33456350 Report

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>>33456313
But it doesn't matter. You could just as easily reverse the affinity argument for Mareanie and Tentacool. Nothing would change thematically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 20:45:02 No.33456354 Report

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>>33453453
>>33453461
That doesn't help explain why it was chosen, silly. He was asking why; you said it was important because it is. I think it's because of the type prominence, but both of those dex entries mention Poison first and foremost.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 22:10:53 No.33457148 Report

Quoted By: >>33461692

>>33453505
Noivern is a dragon that flies, not a flier that dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Sep 2017 22:44:43 No.33457386 Report

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>>33455333
But their main focus isn't sound.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 01:06:44 No.33458342 Report

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Jesus fucking Christ you faggots will argue about anything

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 05:09:44 No.33459796 Report

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>>33458342

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 05:11:22 No.33459812 Report

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>>33453608
>>33454460
RODOLFO WATTERSON?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 05:55:38 No.33460026 Report

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>>33454211
>Primary type stronger positively and negatively
>Secondary type weaker positively and negatively
That's all there would be to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:10:49 No.33461692 Report

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>>33457148
Nope, it's a sounder that dragons but since sound is a stupid idea for a type it gets flying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:14:58 No.33461717 Report

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My take is, Geodude is basically rock which has gravel-like protrusions which are the Ground type. Conversely, Rhyhorn is a ground dwelling animal with a rock-like exterior i.e armour.

Similarly, Noiven is a bat, i.e Flying type, with draconic elements i.e elongated body and tail, whereas Dragonite is a dragon which has grown wings to adapt to flying. Don't ask me about Altaria though.

tl;dr secondary types are quite literally a secondary element of the design basis

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 19:26:35 No.33463728 Report

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>>33453381
Tenticool couldn't live in land(outside of shenanigans)
Mareanie could.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 21:40:59 No.33464727 Report

Quoted By: >>33464735

>>33453646
>Decidueye
Owls aren't birds though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 21:42:18 No.33464735 Report

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>>33464727
the moon is clouds

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 01:12:19 No.33466155 Report

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>>33453556
>>33453566
>>33453575
>>33453623

Yeah, about Noivern. I've had this theory ever since XY came out that explains why the Noivern line is primary Flying instead of Dragon. My evidence may not be very strong but anyway, have you ever noticed that in the TCG, Noibat cards are always Colorless while Noivern's are always Dragon? Also, Noibat doesn't learn any Dragon-type move through level-up, only Draco Meteor and Dragon Pulse through move tutors. But when it evolves, Dragon Pulse is available in Noivern's natural learnset.
What I mean with all this is I believe Noibat was meant to be a pure Flying-type, and by evolving into Noivern, it would gain the Dragon-type as a secondary type, which is what usually happens when a single-type mon evolves into a dual-type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 01:18:42 No.33466191 Report

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>>33454703
At first look, I thought that shirt had the print of a tire tread on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:41:34 No.33466817 Report

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>>33453717
This

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:47:48 No.33466869 Report

Quoted By: >>33466897

>>33454213
>>33454276
>Baragon was featured in Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack, where he was the guardian monster of the element of earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:51:10 No.33466897 Report

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>>33466869
That is one of the few legitimately good Godzilla movies.
Not good because of nostalgia. Not so bad it's good. Not good for fanboys only.
It's just a legitimately well made movie.

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