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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 13:47:54 No.33461587 View View Reply Original Report

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ITT: powercreep casualties

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 13:50:57 No.33461608 Report

Quoted By: >>33461647 >>33463274

This is a Starmie thread now

Why is it such a perfect pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 13:59:29 No.33461647 Report

Quoted By: >>33461665

>>33461608
>Excellent stats and movepool, but not overpowered
>excellent but not obnoxious typing
>"fuck your hazards, status and seeds" while keeping hazards on their side
>or "you better get your switch right or it's dead"
>little to no sexualization from cancerous furry or scale community
>cool looking design, not just an object mon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:00:10 No.33461649 Report

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HEYAAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:00:31 No.33461651 Report

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>>33461587
FUCKING GRENINJA PIECE OF SHIT LEAVE STARMIE ALONE REEEEE

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:03:12 No.33461662 Report

Quoted By: >>33461681

>>33461587
You think you're a victim of Powercreep.

Boy, I could tell you stories that would make your movepool shake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:05:17 No.33461665 Report

Quoted By: >>33461676 >>33464246

>>33461647
>One ability helps you find shinies and pokes you want
>The other is a competitive BAMF that removes all conditions
Misty should've kept using Starmie as her primary. Fuck Togepi.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:05:40 No.33461668 Report

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>>33461587

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:07:25 No.33461676 Report

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>>33461665
>acknowledging illuminate ever
Get out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:08:12 No.33461681 Report

Quoted By: >>33461691

>>33461662
Snorlax was one of the most prominent Pokémon in VGC this year, Gluttony got a massive buff and it was one of the few Pokémon to get High Horsepower, one of the few viable single target ground moves.

Considering literal hundreds of Pokémon have been introduced since Gen II, the fact that it remains dominant in a major metagame is incredible.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:10:42 No.33461690 Report

Quoted By: >>33466776 >>33467126 >>33467964 >>33468476

Goodnight, sweet prince.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:10:46 No.33461691 Report

Quoted By: >>33462120

>>33461681
>remains
That would imply that it was dominant for the majority of the time from Gen 2 to now. Most of the time it was low-UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 14:13:19 No.33461707 Report

Quoted By: >>33462371

>>33461676
Swarm and Arena trap for the same thing and both have legitimate beneficial effects. They should really make Illuminate a free Light Clay or raise the power of light based moves (Power Gem, Dazzling Gleam, Signal Beam)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 15:20:54 No.33462098 Report

Quoted By: >>33463370

>>33461587
Box legends that have one attack stat at 150

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 15:24:33 No.33462120 Report

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>>33461691
Snorlax was considered OU as late as Gen 4, though that was basically the verge of him falling out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 16:09:51 No.33462371 Report

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>>33461707
Swarm and Arena Trap increasing encounter rate was an afterthought, but you're right. They gave Stench and even Pickup use in battle.

Starmie's still excellent as it is, but other illuminate mons like Lanturn or Volbeat could use any buff they get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 18:20:19 No.33463274 Report

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>>33461608
Symmetry

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 18:21:49 No.33463287 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 18:28:27 No.33463347 Report

Quoted By: >>33463974

>>33461587
The shitstorm a year ago when talonflame got nerfed was pretty great

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 18:31:33 No.33463370 Report

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>>33462098
...

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Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 19:59:59 No.33463951 Report

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Has fallen exactly one tier every gen since D/P

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:02:51 No.33463974 Report

Quoted By: >>33463999

>>33463347
That's not powercreep, though. That's a blatant "oh shit we fucked up" nerf.

If something with more attack, or without a 4x rock weakness got GW, it could outclass Talonflame. That's powercreep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:07:37 No.33463999 Report

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>>33463974
I haven't played in a while. Did something happen to it aside from the legends that were made to counter it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:09:28 No.33464014 Report

Quoted By: >>33464133

>>33463999
IIRC, Gale Wings only works at 100% HP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:11:47 No.33464036 Report

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>>33463999
Gale Wings only works at full health. Talonflame is still good enough in spite of that to be forcibly UU though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:16:06 No.33464069 Report

Quoted By: >>33464133

>>33463999
>I haven't played in a while. Did something happen to it aside from the legends that were made to counter it?

They massively nerfed gale wings, which isn't powercreep.

THey did however introduce queenly majesty/dazzling/psychic terrain to try and reduce priority

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:25:22 No.33464133 Report

Quoted By: >>33464228

>>33464014
>>33464036
>>33464069
Pff holy shit. R.I.P bravest berb. And yeah that isnt power creep, thats a straight up nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:39:23 No.33464228 Report

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>>33464133
>Pff holy shit. R.I.P bravest berb.

Like someone else said, it is still completely usable, it gets some usage, and gale wings is compatible with Z moves so talonflame gets the strongest priority in the game, and can do so without that first attack being recoiled.

It just isn't the route 1 bird dominating OU any more

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 20:41:30 No.33464246 Report

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>>33461665
>hidden ability punishes anything that switches out against it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Sep 2017 21:26:13 No.33464642 Report

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>>33464228
Yeah there's a noticeable gap between "still usable", and almost ban worthy

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 01:59:49 No.33466511 Report

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>>33461587
>now in UU
rip

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:04:10 No.33466545 Report

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>>33466511
BL soon. I'm surprised it wasn't the first to go with Hoopa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:05:47 No.33466556 Report

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>>33466545
uh, Hoopa-Unbound is also UU now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:07:13 No.33466569 Report

Quoted By: >>33466584

>>33466556
Not anymore
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sm-uu-stage-4-scary-monsters.3614035/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:08:51 No.33466584 Report

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>>33466569
Oh shit they already quickbanned it? I thought it was gonna be a Zygarde-Complete thing where it was at least a week before the quickban

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:12:12 No.33466612 Report

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>>33461587
>OU for 5 straight gens until Mega Manectric supersedes it

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:19:44 No.33466668 Report

Quoted By: >>33466674 >>33466676 >>33466688

Remember when he was UNRIVALED and had no real counters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:20:44 No.33466674 Report

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>>33466668
nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:20:46 No.33466676 Report

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>>33466668
Mega with Contrary soon, brother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:22:15 No.33466688 Report

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>>33466668
Fairies. Fucking fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:23:35 No.33466699 Report

Quoted By: >>33466722

>>33466676
I posted a mega I wanted for it. I'll try and find it. Wait a minute.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:27:08 No.33466722 Report

Quoted By: >>33466729 >>33466742 >>33467139 >>33467913

>>33466699
This is it:
Mega Hydreigon
Dark/Dragon.
Ability: Multi-shot; all special moves hit twice.
Hp: 92
Attack: 105
Defense: 110
Special Attack: 145
Special Defense: 110
Speed: 138
BST: 700

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:28:06 No.33466729 Report

Quoted By: >>33467829

>>33466722
Quickbanned to Ubers immediately

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:30:29 No.33466742 Report

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>>33466722
>Speed: 138
You realize that Hydreigon's speed is what holds it back, right? Not
>ralts used fairy wind!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:35:42 No.33466776 Report

Quoted By: >>33466794 >>33467126 >>33468518

>>33461690
Just keep waiting, Flygon. You will best the chomp. One day, you shall rise again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:38:15 No.33466794 Report

Quoted By: >>33467126

>>33466776
I fucking hate Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 02:46:31 No.33466855 Report

Quoted By: >>33467139 >>33467473

>>33466511
Doesn't matter, it's an endless pile of salt. I miss Paraflinching entire teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 03:21:49 No.33467126 Report

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>>33466776
>>33466794
>>33461690
C A K E
A
K
E

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 03:23:26 No.33467139 Report

Quoted By: >>33467473

>>33466722
I have been more into the idea of Dark/Poison. Replace levitate to not make it broken and let its stats and new moves deal with the groudn weakness. This mean regular hydreigon can now get poison moves.
>>33466855
Paraflinch is worse cancer than ultras, tapus, toxapex, gear booty and lando-T combined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 04:09:09 No.33467473 Report

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>>33466855
>>33467139
I wish serene grace didn't affect flinch chance. Paraflinch is a stupid rng gimmick and that's all anything that uses the ability does. It makes Jirachi and Togekiss pretty predictable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:02:18 No.33467829 Report

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>>33466729
more like instabanned to ag because jesus fuck this is the most retarded fan mega I've ever heard of

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:14:23 No.33467913 Report

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>>33466722
Yeah let's make a better Parental Bond and give it to a Pokemon that to this day has no true counters and let's also give it more speed than Mega Lopunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:23:36 No.33467964 Report

Quoted By: >>33467976 >>33468793

>>33461690
>It'd be really good if it got a set up move. Dragon dance would make it soar past garchomp.

Remember that optimism? It got what is arguably one of the best offensive set up move in the game and it still manages to be a worse garchomp. What else does it need? A base stat total boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:25:34 No.33467976 Report

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>>33467964
Preferably he needed to get it before Zygarde became better than both and before Tapu Bulu became a thing.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:30:17 No.33468007 Report

Quoted By: >>33468024 >>33468055 >>33468163

Remember when this thing was good?

Admittedly, it being the one and only Pokemon that was somehow hurt by being given the best typing in the game didn't help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:33:33 No.33468024 Report

Quoted By: >>33468090

>>33468007
>Admittedly, it being the one and only Pokemon that was somehow hurt by being given the best typing in the game didn't help.
It went from UU to BL last gen and was nearly a perfect check to Garchomp.
The only mon that was hurt by being given fairy was Granbull who lost STAB Return/Double Edge and got Play Rough instead.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:34:07 No.33468026 Report

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Dropped further every gen. For what it's worth, the mega's pretty good in UU, and base is literally the most used pokemon in NU, but metal snake deserved better. Shore up tutor fucking when, this and krookodile need that shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:35:43 No.33468034 Report

Quoted By: >>33468052

>>33461587
I'm so glad this piece of shit is irrelevant in competitive now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:39:21 No.33468052 Report

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>>33468034
t.Sneaky Pebble

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:40:26 No.33468055 Report

Quoted By: >>33468096

>>33468007
It should be pretty good if it has moonblast, any special attacker that wants to switch in now have a 60% chance of their sp attack dropping

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:47:58 No.33468090 Report

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>>33468024
Togekiss was a victim of Electric types getting an immunity to the paraflinch set and the new fairy typing giving it a bullet punch weakness. It had a shot at bouncing back up to OU after the Jirachi nerf otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 05:49:45 No.33468096 Report

Quoted By: >>33468654

>>33468055
Give it scald, nothing wants to switch in to it now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 06:02:11 No.33468163 Report

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>>33468007
Togekiss isn't steel type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 07:28:42 No.33468476 Report

Quoted By: >>33468503 >>33468793

>>33461690
Flygon was never good though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 07:35:26 No.33468503 Report

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>>33468476
Hey, it had a whole generation of being the best ground/dragon before Garchomp existed.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 07:40:22 No.33468518 Report

Quoted By: >>33468995

>>33466776
Keep dreaming kiddo. Almost 11 years of competitive supremacy with no end in sight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 08:29:17 No.33468654 Report

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>>33468096
DELET THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 09:02:28 No.33468793 Report

Quoted By: >>33470110

>>33467964
Literally only shitters said that.
It needs a stat boost badly, why exactly do you think people were begging GF to give it a mega?

>>33468476
OU in gen 3 and 4 senpai

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 10:35:42 No.33468995 Report

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>>33468518
did fuck all to stop him even made an entire type to try and nurf him.. only succeeded in killing fighting types

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 10:37:45 No.33468998 Report

Quoted By: >>33470052 >>33470093 >>33470124

>Gen VI OU
>Gen VII NU
FUCKING NU! Tapus were a mistake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 14:53:56 No.33470052 Report

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>>33468998
>Tapus
Pretty sure it was Toxapex that forced Slowbro out of OU by being a superior defensive Water-type with Regenerator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 14:55:18 No.33470060 Report

Quoted By: >>33470130 >>33470143

Forgive me but what's a powercreep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:00:51 No.33470093 Report

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>>33468998
It's fucking NU?
I don't play the lower tiers but Slowbro was very good in gen 6 OU

Wouldn't the lower tiers appreciate a bulky water regenarator?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:03:52 No.33470110 Report

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>>33468793
Just because Garchomp was banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:06:05 No.33470124 Report

Quoted By: >>33470162

>>33468998
>IT WAS MUH TAPUS

blame the starfish you idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:06:49 No.33470130 Report

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>>33470060
something that shouldn't be existing outside of cards or other physical games

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Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:07:39 No.33470140 Report

Quoted By: >>33470147 >>33470150

None of the guys in this thread even come close to Tauros

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:08:04 No.33470143 Report

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>>33470060
old good things become bad things because new good things are better

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:09:33 No.33470147 Report

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>>33470140
That was more of a "holy shit these mechanics are so broke" than powercreep.

Rhydon/Golem, on the other hand...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:10:55 No.33470150 Report

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>>33470140
tauros was not killed by powercreep, he just benefitted the most from rby's mechanics

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:13:28 No.33470154 Report

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>>33463287
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Sep 2017 15:15:22 No.33470162 Report

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>>33470124
it was actually a combination of them both. toxapex being the better bulky water type with splash heal. and

>LOL WOOD HAMMER

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