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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:32:36 No.33530492 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33530515 >>33530517 >>33530527 >>33530646 >>33530708 >>33531172 >>33531210 >>33531779 >>33531809 >>33531858 >>33531894 >>33532104

>Hard counters Volcarona, Mega Charizard Y, and Mega Pinsir
>Is PU
Fucking how??

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:35:36 No.33530502 Report

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>rock type
that's how

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:39:01 No.33530515 Report

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>>33530492
>Hard counters 3 Pokémon
That's how

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:39:08 No.33530517 Report

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>>33530492
>It's a "/vp/ doesn't know the difference between a check and a counter" episode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:41:32 No.33530527 Report

Quoted By: >>33531352

>>33530492
Because Mega Aero does a much better job at Hard Countering the above. Also
>hard counters Yzard
>Yzard began charging light

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:43:42 No.33530538 Report

Quoted By: >>33530553 >>33530557

>outsped by quiver dance volcarona
>flame body

>solarbeam/focus blast megazard y

>superpower pinsir

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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:44:48 No.33530542 Report

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Aerodactyl
Terrakion
The lazy recolor with tough claws that will likely invalidate its existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:48:50 No.33530553 Report

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>>33530538
I assumed accelerock was enough to take em down in one hit. If it can't then that's just pathetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:50:43 No.33530556 Report

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>>33530553
>didn't even bother to run the calcs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:50:53 No.33530557 Report

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>>33530538
Now I know nothing of competitive but wouldn't accelerock do some pretty good damage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:54:14 No.33530564 Report

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>>33530553
252 Atk Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 8 Def Charizard: 292-348 (98.3 - 117.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 340-408 (109.3 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir-Mega: 204-244 (75.2 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
only volcarona

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 06:54:18 No.33530565 Report

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For those who don't know the difference between Checks and Counters:
http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue32/checks-and-counters

>Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.
>Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:01:44 No.33530579 Report

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>>33530564

so with choice band it's KO all

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:06:44 No.33530592 Report

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>>33530579

+prankster helping hand

it KO all

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:08:34 No.33530593 Report

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>>33530592
even without

252+ Atk Choice Band Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 484-576 (162.9 - 193.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir-Mega: 336-400 (123.9 - 147.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:08:45 No.33530595 Report

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>+1 252 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Midday: 168-198 (111.2 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
amazing counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:12:01 No.33530610 Report

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>>33530553
Priority moves tend to be weaker to compensate for the priority advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:16:37 No.33530629 Report

Quoted By: >>33531161 >>33531296

>GF balancing around fucking VGC instead of singles

That's the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:16:47 No.33530630 Report

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stealth rocks counters them.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:19:07 No.33530640 Report

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>>33530553
*blocks your priority anyway*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:21:20 No.33530646 Report

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>>33530492
He can't take hits at all. And those 3 carry moves that can 2 or 1 hit ko it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 07:43:14 No.33530708 Report

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>>33530492
>Rock
>MISS the typing
>Weakness the typing
Name me ONE pure rock type in UU.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 09:57:53 No.33531113 Report

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>>33530708
>highest tier pure rock type is Gigalith
>it's solely because it got sand stream this gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:11:42 No.33531161 Report

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>>33530629
For a certain definition of balance.
You're right though, GF focuses way too much on VGC when 95% of the actual game is singles.

Doesn't help that I don't actually like doubles all that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:15:42 No.33531172 Report

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>>33530492
>Giga Drain
>Solar Beam
>EQ or Close Combat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:26:33 No.33531210 Report

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>>33530492
>Hard counters
>Can't switch in

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:28:41 No.33531214 Report

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>>33530646
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lycanroc in Sun: 221-261 (75.9 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

All of them can 1/2hko it with any move they have*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:40:46 No.33531257 Report

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>>33530517
Sshh. Let the retards live in their own world where they would hard-switch into lycanroc on a Zard-Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:53:37 No.33531296 Report

Quoted By: >>33531305 >>33531358

>>33530629
Lycaronc is trash in VGC too though, frail sweepers see no play in there.
Even Pheromosa sees little use because it's so damn risky to play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 10:58:50 No.33531305 Report

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>>33531296
I don't think anyone ever accused GF of actually being good at balancing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:01:21 No.33531311 Report

Quoted By: >>33531314 >>33531438

OU is for only Tapus and Genies
UU is everything that was OU in Gen VI and Gen V
RU is for cool strong in game bro mons
NU is... What even is NU this gen?
PU is everything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:03:21 No.33531314 Report

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>>33531311
NU is like a weaker RU.
Still has cool pokes, but a step less powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:11:26 No.33531339 Report

Quoted By: >>33531351 >>33531378 >>33531719

>>33531314
>Look up NU
>Frosslass
What the fuck happened? Yes it's ice but it's a usable glass canon with speedy destiny bond
>Slowbro
OK seriously WHAT?! It's been OU/UU every Gen
>Vaporeon
Jesus, I'm guessing Suicune is RU
>Whimsicott
Damn, grass Frosslass got hit hard to

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:14:26 No.33531351 Report

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>>33531339
Welcome to gen 7, enjoy your fucking Tapus.
Suicune is still UU, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:14:41 No.33531352 Report

Quoted By: >>33531363 >>33531367

>>33530527
Not him but Mega Charizard Y has 100 Speed and 78 Defense while Lycanroc Midday has 112 Speed and 115 Attack, that's a OHKO before Mega Charizard Y can even move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:16:45 No.33531358 Report

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>>33531296
don't talk about shit you don't understand, Sand Rush Lycanroc is used to counter Drifblim leads

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:17:14 No.33531363 Report

Quoted By: >>33531719

>>33531352
>Rock miss missed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:17:57 No.33531366 Report

Quoted By: >>33531369 >>33531377

RU is the new fun tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:17:58 No.33531367 Report

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>>33531352
A counter has to be able to switch into anything the mon it's countering can throw at it.
252 SpA Charizard Solar Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lycanroc: 328-386 (112.7 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Charizard Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lycanroc: 328-386 (112.7 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So it's a check, not a counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:19:00 No.33531369 Report

Quoted By: >>33531377

>>33531366
New RU is like old UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:20:27 No.33531377 Report

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>>33531366
>>33531369
It really is. All my cool bro mons are are there. Very little mega or legendary crap and less copy paste teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:20:29 No.33531378 Report

Quoted By: >>33531765

>>33531339
>glass cannon
>cannon
Yeah man that massive 80 attack/special attack really hurts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:37:30 No.33531438 Report

Quoted By: >>33531453

>>33531311
There's only one genie in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:40:57 No.33531453 Report

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>>33531438
On every team

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 11:41:48 No.33531457 Report

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>>33531453
Now now, only on every other team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 12:57:47 No.33531711 Report

Quoted By: >>33531713

>>33530708
Joke's on you faggot Arceus is uber

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 12:59:37 No.33531713 Report

Quoted By: >>33531719 >>33536246

>>33531711
Now I'm curious, what is Rock-Arceus's usage stat?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:02:01 No.33531719 Report

Quoted By: >>33531721

>>33531339
Toxapex happened to Slowbro. The meta favors poison more than psychic, toxic spikes, etc etc

Prankster's nerf happened to Whimsicott.

>>33531363
No risk means no reward. You won't get anywhere relying on accelerock and smack down.

>>33531713
I wouldn't be surprised if it were rock bottom

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:02:39 No.33531721 Report

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>>33531719
Carloooooos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:04:20 No.33531733 Report

Quoted By: >>33531954 >>33535229

maybe the game should be all doubles like the gamecube games, if that's what they balance everything around...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:14:34 No.33531765 Report

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>>33531378
Such a shame. Froslass is one of the only Ice types with an acceptable stat distribution, and they still managed to fuck it up by giving it the stats of a (crappy) mixed attacker. They should've just taken 20 points from its Attack (80) and put it into SpA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:17:49 No.33531772 Report

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>>33530640
>*blocks your priority anyway*
So... Priority never bothered her anyway?

You brought this on yourself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:18:57 No.33531774 Report

Quoted By: >>33532065

>checks Garchomp and Landorus
>Is PU
Fucking how???

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:19:51 No.33531779 Report

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>>33530492
Literally my mom's one trick ponyta

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:27:52 No.33531809 Report

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>>33530492
>hard counter
>takes 60% from char-y flamethrower on switch in and then they switch to rock resist
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:29:22 No.33531821 Report

Quoted By: >>33531824 >>33531825 >>33531851

>people hyped up Lycanroc as a counter to Talonflame
>Talonflame is BL2 instead of OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:29:53 No.33531824 Report

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>>33531821
RIP Gale Wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:30:09 No.33531825 Report

Quoted By: >>33531843 >>33531954

>>33531821
that was before we knew what they did to best bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:33:56 No.33531843 Report

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>>33531825
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:35:49 No.33531851 Report

Quoted By: >>33536111

>>33531821
Yeah it's kinda sad. It's like if Gamefreak introduced an Ice/Fairy pokemon with ground type immunity and people started to hype it up as a Garchomp killer, then it turns out that Garchomp was going to be nerfed to oblivion and not even be viable anymore, making that pokemon's niche a moot point.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:36:35 No.33531858 Report

Quoted By: >>33531867 >>33531871

>>33530492
why is it so hard for the retards of /vp/ to understand what the word "counter" means, how is it possible to always be this stupid and never learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:37:27 No.33531862 Report

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>>33530564
That's 100% after sneaky pebbles

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:38:28 No.33531867 Report

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>>33531858
/vp/ is like 80% underage or something.
Or 80% retarded, could go either way, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:39:09 No.33531871 Report

Quoted By: >>33531873 >>33532026

>>33531858
Assault Vest Conkeldurr hard counters Greninja :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:39:36 No.33531873 Report

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>>33531871
>greninja used acrobatics

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:45:13 No.33531894 Report

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>>33530492
>Rock
>Shit movepool and abilities
>ROCK PURE ROCK
>Shit stats

Hm, I wonder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:46:59 No.33531903 Report

Quoted By: >>33534545

>>33530640
Doesn't work on Flying types so why even bring this up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 13:59:57 No.33531954 Report

Quoted By: >>33531963

>>33531825
They only nerfed the Talonflame line tho?
>>33531733
An entirely doubles mainline game would alienate so many players and potentially push for the death of pokemon.

I can't fathom why doubles has been the only format they've pushed while 95% of the mainline games are singles. If they're so hellbent on double battles, literally why not have both singles and doubles tournaments?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:01:54 No.33531963 Report

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>>33531954
Pretty sure they push 2v2 is because it's generally a faster format, I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:15:34 No.33532026 Report

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>>33531871
Suddenly getting flashbacks of those Light Stone Empoleons and AV Skuntanks people were running in early ORAS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:27:48 No.33532065 Report

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>>33531774
Needs hail support

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:35:09 No.33532104 Report

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>>33530492

Because any scarfer that can eat a +2 Quick Attack can check all 3 and more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 17:30:33 No.33533084 Report

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Rock is like Ice, in that having a Pokemon of that type on your team is akin to suicide, but you absolutely need a Pokemon of a defensively good type that can use those elements to attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 20:41:56 No.33534545 Report

Quoted By: >>33535203

>>33531903
TIL Lycan can fly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 21:57:42 No.33535203 Report

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>>33534545
IIRC Psychic Terrain doesn't prevent using priority move, but prevents grounded pokemon from being affected by priority move. This means Lycan can use accelcock and ZardY will take damage. Not that it matters anyway since it doesn't OHKO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 22:00:22 No.33535229 Report

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>>33531733
I literally can't play the gamecube games because on top of being ugly, they force doubles down my throat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 22:45:09 No.33536111 Report

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>>33531851
It would counter Flygon then :^)

Or, shitpost aside, Zygarde. What's the interaction between Levitate and arrows anyway, smacked down like a regular flying type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Sep 2017 22:53:21 No.33536246 Report

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>>33531713
Dunno about now but Rockeus used to be used as an answer to Ho-oh and Mega and was solid.

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