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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:13:00 No.33753087 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33753099 >>33753105 >>33753123 >>33753127 >>33753134 >>33753192 >>33753484 >>33754126

How many fucking pokemon are fucked because of smogon's asinine baton pass ban?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:13:38 No.33753092 Report

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>implying baton pass would make it good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:14:29 No.33753099 Report

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>>33753087
>because of smogon's asinine baton pass ban?
Literally all of them, because you could make any pokemon viable with a baton pass of speed and defenses.

Thats why smogonfags raged and banned anymore than 1 pokemon having baton pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:14:41 No.33753100 Report

Quoted By: >>33753108

>imaginary meta format influences how I play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:15:23 No.33753105 Report

Quoted By: >>33753114

>>33753087
Play VGC or Battle Spot if you don't like Smogon's ruleset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:15:44 No.33753108 Report

Quoted By: >>33753114 >>33753120

>>33753100
Who the hell uses baton pass in single player?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:16:44 No.33753114 Report

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>>33753108
see
>>33753105

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:17:39 No.33753120 Report

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>>33753108
>implying if you don't play Smogon you play single player
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:18:13 No.33753123 Report

Quoted By: >>33753155 >>33753171

>>33753087
Smogon bans baton passing now?
What the fuck.
Only rules I play with in general are no-legendaries (usually), sleep clause, evasion clause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:18:32 No.33753127 Report

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>>33753087
Surprisingly, I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Ninjask is not good now, but wasn't before.
Scolipede is still a viable OU pick as a cleaner.
Venomoth can't Quiver Pass, but is still UU like before (BL2).
Smeargle is still Smeargle.

I guess Espeon, because that was only used in BP teams before and is not used very much at all now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:18:52 No.33753129 Report

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Smogon isn't relevant, they play on a fan game.
Last I checked I can use Baton Pass just fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:19:41 No.33753134 Report

Quoted By: >>33753139 >>33753141

>>33753087
None, if you play VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:20:40 No.33753139 Report

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>>33753134
VGC has its own weird pigeonhole meta though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:20:52 No.33753141 Report

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>>33753134
hi verlis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:21:09 No.33753147 Report

Quoted By: >>33753152 >>33753471

>nobody tried to make a meme with the "Ass" in Assembly's name with "Ultra Ass" spelled yet
genuinely concerned

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:21:49 No.33753152 Report

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>>33753147
but they did though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:22:04 No.33753155 Report

Quoted By: >>33753160 >>33753174 >>33753217

>>33753123
There was a team last gen that relied on Baton Pass, was completely dominant and was flowchart-level brain dead to play. They tried restricting baton pass in other ways first, but the guy who made the team kept finding ways around it, so they finally just banned Baton Pass completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:22:53 No.33753160 Report

Quoted By: >>33753207

>>33753155
>last gen
Pretty sure it was late gen 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:25:15 No.33753171 Report

Quoted By: >>33753179

>>33753123
Baton pass teams automatically win against regular teams and automatically lose against counter-BP teams which in turn automatically lose against regular teams

Smogon didn't want the entire meta to devolve into rock-paper-scissors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:25:28 No.33753174 Report

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>>33753155
Denisss didn't make the later version of the team.
Definitely not any of the gen 7 ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:26:12 No.33753179 Report

Quoted By: >>33753221

>>33753171
>Smogon didn't want the entire meta to devolve into rock-paper-scissors
the irony of this statement is not lost on me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:26:58 No.33753192 Report

Quoted By: >>33753205 >>33753211

>>33753087
Literally any pokemon can be made viable with baton pass, don't you remember those clickbait pimpnite MAGIKARP SWEEP videos that were popular in gen 5? Even if you do play BS instead of Smogon you're still gonna get raped

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:28:37 No.33753203 Report

Quoted By: >>33753215 >>33753219

>not just playing ultimate stall with all the entry hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:28:50 No.33753205 Report

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>>33753192
Yeah but pokemon with already solid stats take much less effort to buff with a good pass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:29:03 No.33753207 Report

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>>33753160
No, it had a Sylveon on it. It was gen 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:29:39 No.33753211 Report

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>>33753192
Too be fair those videos were often against complete retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:30:31 No.33753215 Report

Quoted By: >>33753606

>>33753203
Stall has a terrible match up against Baton Pass, if you build your BP team right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:30:36 No.33753217 Report

Quoted By: >>33753298

>>33753155
What was the team?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:30:39 No.33753219 Report

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>>33753203
too bad it's not as viable anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:30:49 No.33753221 Report

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>>33753179
I know, but with the regular game at least there's some room for creativity and prediction
baton pass teams were effectively copy pasted teams following a set flowchart with a bunch of "If enemy lacks {specific anti-baton pass move/ability} I have now won the game, otherwise I lose" moments

and even then Smogon actually tried to keep baton pass around as long as possible, going with complex bans rather than a blanket one, it's just that the move is to powerful in singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:36:04 No.33753250 Report

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I remember back in Crystal/Stadium 2 I had an Umbreon that would switch into a physical sweeper, use Mean Look, Charm a bunch of times, and then Baton Pass to my Marowak and then I'd just Swords Dance and press the win button.

Good times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 22:45:27 No.33753298 Report

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>>33753217
This one, initally:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/glorious-pass.3506272/

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:09:42 No.33753471 Report

Quoted By: >>33753849

>>33753147

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Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:11:34 No.33753484 Report

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>>33753087
>its a good mon i just need to baton pass +6 to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:24:36 No.33753606 Report

Quoted By: >>33753651 >>33753664

>>33753215
And how the fuck does Baton Pass beat Unaware clefable or Unaware Quagsire, which were on all sorts of stall teams last gen when BP was banned?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:27:11 No.33753636 Report

Quoted By: >>33753748

Hey, what if the fixed Passimian's shitty receiver ability by letting it copy the ability of the guy who baton passed to it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:28:46 No.33753651 Report

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>>33753606
Clefable and Quagsire got shat on by Stored Power Espeon/Necrozma

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:30:06 No.33753664 Report

Quoted By: >>33753766

>>33753606
The answer is muscle past them with a 600 base power stored power. Unaware does nothing against that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:40:20 No.33753748 Report

Quoted By: >>33753931

>>33753636
How would that help with balancing Baton Pass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:43:39 No.33753766 Report

Quoted By: >>33753809

>>33753664
>>33753664
>quagsire used haze

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:49:25 No.33753809 Report

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>>33753766
Just read this thread, it's in the threat list. It's literally the first point.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/glorious-pass.3506272/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Oct 2017 23:54:03 No.33753849 Report

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>>33753471
Thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 00:05:56 No.33753931 Report

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>>33753748
Well, it would make Passimian slightly less shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 00:36:27 No.33754126 Report

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>>33753087
The Baton Pass ban tried to fuck over Assembly, but Assembly's asshole was already too stretched out from fucking itself for it to really count as sex.

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