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If Dusk Mane Necrozma's stats are +100 from Solgaleo and arranged well I think it has a chance. Steel + Prism Armor + recovery. If it's just +100 from Necrozma then no.

Talking purely hypothetically, the Original Dragon, Primordial Arceus, and permanent Complete Zygarde with Aura Break and Recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 05:45:41 No.33791020 Report

Quoted By: >>33791043 >>33791059 >>33791097 >>33795862

>>33790197
Marshadow unironically. There's ever increasing talks about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 05:49:10 No.33791043 Report

Quoted By: >>33791081

>>33791020
No there isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 05:52:51 No.33791059 Report

Quoted By: >>33791081 >>33792456

>>33791020
They'd have to put Primal Groudon in AG first before they ever even think about Marshadow

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 05:54:08 No.33791065 Report

Quoted By: >>33793089

Mega Gengar when it receives Nasty Plot in gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 05:56:47 No.33791081 Report

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>>33791059
>>33791043
they suspected mega gengar twice in gen 6. Once gar itself and then shadow tag. There's now similar talks for marshadow because of spectral thief. Expect a suspect on marsh or the move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:00:14 No.33791097 Report

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>>33791020
It's not even in the top 3 most powerful uber mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:02:40 No.33791112 Report

Quoted By: >>33791125

Complete Zygarde once tutors hit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:05:46 No.33791125 Report

Quoted By: >>33791127

>>33791112
the fuck is it gonna get that'd push it to AG?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:06:14 No.33791127 Report

Quoted By: >>33791134

>>33791125
Shore Up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:06:49 No.33791134 Report

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>>33791127
Pretty bold statement considering the only new tutor move in gen 6 was bind.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 06:08:33 No.33791140 Report

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>>33790197
THIS

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:07:38 No.33792456 Report

Quoted By: >>33792740

>>33791059
P-Don is the lando-t of Ubers, they aren't gonna do shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:08:38 No.33792460 Report

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>>33790231
XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:09:54 No.33792467 Report

Quoted By: >>33792486

>>33790247
It'll probably be the same deal that we got with kyurem as far as stats go where a little bit of the the base stats get relocated first. and yeah they're confirmed for alternate necrozma forms so don't expect it to get recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:13:11 No.33792486 Report

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>>33792467
Necrozma already has morning sun and moonlight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:40:42 No.33792633 Report

Quoted By: >>33792654 >>33792676 >>33792760 >>33794007 >>33794029 >>33794053

>>33790247
Dusk Mane is already going to be better than Solgaleo, at least. Better ability + SD + likely higher attack stat.

Dawn Wings will unironically be OU unless it gets something to actually hurt Dark types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:44:50 No.33792654 Report

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>>33792633
>Dawn Wings will unironically be OU
Yeah, like Zygarde Complete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:48:37 No.33792676 Report

Quoted By: >>33792762 >>33793078

>>33792633
It all depends on Dusk Mane's movepool. We could have another Kyu-B on our hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:59:46 No.33792740 Report

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>>33792456
Primal Groudon is on a whole different plane than Lando-T.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:04:38 No.33792760 Report

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>>33792633
yeah man remember when lunala was gonna be UU?
>le sucker punch xddd

Ghost spam is good. Extremely good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:05:13 No.33792762 Report

Quoted By: >>33792820 >>33798898

>>33792676
We already know it gets Sunsteel strike. Solgaleo gets Zen headbutt and Necrozma gets Psycho cut. Also Photon Geyser is apparently a special attack so it has that, maybe it'll have some good mixed attacking potential. Don't know what coverage it will get but Solgaleo also gets EQ and Flare Blitz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:14:05 No.33792820 Report

Quoted By: >>33792837 >>33798898

>>33792762
Did Zekrom give Kyurem any moves when they fused? The only moves Necrozma gets to deal with steel-types are Brick Break & Buldoze.
I want Dusk Mane to be OU because it's a cool design

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:15:50 No.33792837 Report

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>>33792820
Fusion Bolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:42:37 No.33793078 Report

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>>33792676
Necrozma learns Earthquake, Stone Edge(or Rock Blast if you fancy the accuracy) and Swords Dance. Coupled with a Solgalium Z boosted Sunsteel Strike it's more than enough to make a competent physical attacker. And if you fancy a more defensive or supportive Pokémon Necrozma also learns Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, Morning Sun and Trick Room. Psychic/Steel with Prism Armor is also a gorillion times better than Dragon/Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 13:44:29 No.33793089 Report

Quoted By: >>33793173

>>33791065
>anything used EQ

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 14:00:05 No.33793173 Report

Quoted By: >>33793980

>>33793089
>Delcatty used EQ
checkmate atheists

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 15:37:21 No.33793972 Report

Quoted By: >>33795002

>>33790197
I don't know, honestly i'm doubting the Necrozma forms will have what it takes. There's a couple ways the current game can be broken, though

One that immediately comes to mind is Super Fang Mega Kangaskhan, which would nuke the entire non-Ghost meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 15:38:19 No.33793980 Report

Quoted By: >>33794604

>>33793173
>252+ Atk Choice Band Delcatty Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gengar-Mega: 274-324 (104.9 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>Delcatty used Earthquake!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 15:40:29 No.33794007 Report

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>>33792633
Lunala has Moonblast so Dawn Wings will probably do as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 15:43:08 No.33794029 Report

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>>33792633
Its not just likely to have higher attack
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/918472868521951232

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 15:47:02 No.33794053 Report

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>>33792633
If its anywhere as good as Lunala then it will fuck balance and stall in the ass with sub-cm. Keep that shit in Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 16:26:08 No.33794381 Report

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I feel primal groudon has the best shot

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 16:28:13 No.33794393 Report

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 16:59:20 No.33794604 Report

Quoted By: >>33794641

>>33793980
Normalize you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 17:04:41 No.33794641 Report

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>>33794604
simply don't use normalize?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 17:08:01 No.33794662 Report

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>>33790231
How did you succeed and fail at a spoiler?

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 17:10:13 No.33794674 Report

Quoted By: >>33795287 >>33795307 >>33795338

Primal Groudon is, at the moment, the 2nd strongest Pokemon to ever exist. I mean, have you SEEN the guy? It's at a point where if you don't have Primal Groudon on your Uber team, you are automatically at a disadvantage.

But we all know that once the inevitable gen 4 remakes come around, GF is totally gonna make some form of Arceus that'll put Mega Rayquaza in its place. Like, you really think that they're gonna leave the supposed creator of the universe having a lower BST than 5 other Pokemon? Nah, man. They'd totally create some crazy form that can wipe the floor with Mega Fug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 17:18:46 No.33794760 Report

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>>33790197
Incineroar once it gets Intimidate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 17:50:50 No.33795002 Report

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>>33793972

They're going to be literally the same things as Sol/Luna with higher stats and the movepools of Necrozma + the fusion combined. The only real difference is different abilities.

Which is kinda fucked up when you think about it

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:28:22 No.33795287 Report

Quoted By: >>33795504

>>33794674
>mfw 1,530 BST; 255 in each stats
Mega Fug’s gonna look like child’s play

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:30:42 No.33795307 Report

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>>33794674
I hope not. Gen 4’s legends really don’t need more power creep associated with them. I’d rather they just retcon the games entirely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:34:09 No.33795338 Report

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>>33794674
The interesting thing is that right now Arceus(all forms) is already used more than groudon(base+primal) in ubers and it's gotten to the point where good teams need at least 2 Arceus in AG. Mega-fug was surprisingly not even the best single form last generation. Arceus-Normal had consistently higher usage in high ladder and was at one point higher ranked in the VR(S+ vs M-fug's S). I can't imagine what a new form or z-move will do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:39:19 No.33795378 Report

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>primal Arceus
120/140/140/140/140/140
Normal
Divine Perfection (protean meets adaptability)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:53:32 No.33795504 Report

Quoted By: >>33799173

>>33795287
What possible ability can they possibly give to it to have a shred of balance? Double Truant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 19:31:48 No.33795862 Report

Quoted By: >>33797232

>>33791020
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:20:50 No.33797232 Report

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>>33795862
Rather than debate his mental capacity I'd rather solicit him for a source, but it seems he has left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:32:48 No.33797319 Report

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I would like to see what ubers looks like without Primal Groudon. Not so much for Xerneas, people had already learned to live with Xerneas by the end of XY and there are even more options now.
I'd be a lot more curious to see how good Primal Kyogre gets considering it's been nothing but the cucked-by-groudon mon it's entire life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:45:31 No.33797420 Report

Quoted By: >>33797425

The real question is, what do you think will be so broken that it will create a tier above AG?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:46:08 No.33797425 Report

Quoted By: >>33797470 >>33799076

>>33797420
Funbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:51:16 No.33797470 Report

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>>33797425
I think they are considering adding a timer, so that might solve the issue. Not like it's even possible on cartridge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 02:13:55 No.33798898 Report

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>>33792820
>What is Earthquake?

>>33792762
Dude, forget Zen Headbutt or Psycho Cut. It learns Photon Geyser which uses Dusk Mane's higher physical Attack stat to do damage. What more would you want? You get do deal high (presumably) special damage with your better offensive stat.
-SD
-Photon Geyser
-Sunsteel Strike
-Earthquake
Done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 02:41:15 No.33799076 Report

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>>33797425
That's not really borked, it's just trying to avoid retards from thinking they're funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 02:58:18 No.33799173 Report

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>>33795504
Once you send out Arceus-God you have 3 turns to win the game or else every Pokemon you have faints.

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