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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:49:44 No.33795467 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33795483 >>33795507 >>33795510 >>33796179 >>33796476 >>33796517 >>33796534 >>33796581 >>33796595 >>33796719 >>33796851 >>33797191 >>33797309 >>33797416 >>33801020

>Meant to be an Ultra Beast killer
>Has garbage stats and is even outclassed by Eviolite Null

S-she's getting buffed in USuUMo right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:51:52 No.33795483 Report

Quoted By: >>33801024

>>33795467
>she

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:53:33 No.33795507 Report

Quoted By: >>33795512 >>33795520

>>33795467
No. She's a failure in the canon, so it makes sense that she'll be bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:54:15 No.33795510 Report

Quoted By: >>33803941

>>33795467
I don't think a pokemon's ever gotten buffed halfway through a gen before. At best, Silvally might get a few move tutor moves to play with.

What I'd like to see is a fix to the RKS System ability; make it so that you use a memory on Silvally to change types, instead of having Silvally hold it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:54:26 No.33795512 Report

Quoted By: >>33796160

>>33795507
It's a failure as Type:Null. When it evolves into Silvally, it stops being a failure because it becomes the Type:Full it was supposed to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:54:46 No.33795514 Report

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Its states that type:null was a failed experiment. It was meant to be a UB killer but it couldn't find genetic stability which is why it was encased in a mask. Silvally is just its evolution where its genes found stability and could be utilized but in no way was it powerful enough to take on an ultra beast. just like GF's life story, great on paper, terrible execution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 18:55:24 No.33795520 Report

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>>33795507

Type: Null is a failure, Silvally is not, it's what Aether intended Null to be in the first place.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 19:53:04 No.33796052 Report

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>USuUMo

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 19:56:41 No.33796086 Report

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>she

Buffed as in better stats and a reworked movepool? No. It will probably get an exclusive Z-move that requires Multi-Attack in Ultra SuMo.

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:07:58 No.33796160 Report

Quoted By: >>33796319 >>33801173

>>33795512

>Type: Full

Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:10:01 No.33796179 Report

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>>33795467
No. They won't go any higher since Gladion uses it pre e4. It's Onix 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:27:01 No.33796319 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796160
That's literally its original name

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:45:45 No.33796476 Report

Quoted By: >>33800960

>>33795467

Let's not forget that its evolution isn't even an evolution really. It just breaks off its fucking helmet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:50:24 No.33796517 Report

Quoted By: >>33796567 >>33796618

>>33795467
He can beat every single Ultra Beast.

Nihilego and Xurkitree: Ground drive
Buzzwole: Flying drive
Pheromosa: Ghost drive
Kartana: Fire drive
Celesteela: Electric drive
Guzzlord: Fairy drive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:52:35 No.33796534 Report

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>>33795467
USUM will give it:
>Move tutors
>Memories will boost stats like Arceus' plates

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:56:36 No.33796567 Report

Quoted By: >>33796813 >>33796851 >>33798321

>>33796517
>Xurkitree used Energy Ball
>Nihilego used HP Ice
>Pheromosa used U-Turn
>Kartana used Sacred Sword (All Out Pummeling)
>Celesteela used Earthquake

He'd beat Shitlord though I'll give you that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:58:59 No.33796581 Report

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>>33795467
It's literally canon that Silvally is a failure. Silvally is SUPPOSED by lore and game design to be a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:00:15 No.33796595 Report

Quoted By: >>33796607

>>33795467
>Meant to be an Ultra Beast killer
well TECHNICALLY it can actually do that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:01:31 No.33796607 Report

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>>33796595
Technically you can beat Mega-Raquaza with a Spinda

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:02:56 No.33796618 Report

Quoted By: >>33803964

>>33796517
What does Silvally achieve that six other Pokémon their excel at their own types wouldn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:04:16 No.33796629 Report

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silvally is not type: full

but steel-type sylvally works pretty well, parting shot is a good move, a very underrated pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:16:58 No.33796719 Report

Quoted By: >>33800976

>>33795467

It should be able to use Plates and Z Crystals to change type, like Arceus.

Actually, have it's ability be the same as Arceus, and let them both use all three type-items (give Memories a reason to be used as well):

>Memories change type with some other bonus
>Plates change type and boost damage
>Z-Crystals change type and let you use Z-Move

Also, hopefully it gets a lot of move tutor opportunities. That's pretty much everything it needs, a not-useless ability and a lot more moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:28:37 No.33796813 Report

Quoted By: >>33796916

>>33796567
Xurkitree gets outsped and OHKOd
Silvally bulks HP
Wild ultra beasts don't have teammates you asshat
or Z moves, which it bulks anyway without STAB
Celesteela gets outsped, defensive variant doesn't KO with EQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:33:13 No.33796851 Report

Quoted By: >>33796946

>>33795467
Yeah? It's called UB killer and is one. Other Pokemon have no place in this discussion.

>>33796567
>Energy Ball being effective on Steel
>HP Ice being effective on Steel
>U-Turn being effective on Steel
>Sacred Sword hitting a Ghost type
>Earthquake hitting a Flying type

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:42:32 No.33796916 Report

Quoted By: >>33797447 >>33798321 >>33798491

>>33796813
>scarf
>specs
>moving the goalposts
>life orb

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:45:41 No.33796946 Report

Quoted By: >>33797538 >>33798477

>>33796851
>Thunderbolt being effective on St...
>HP ground being effective on St..
>High Jump Kick being effective on St...
>Night Slash hitting a Gh...
>Flying type used...hmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:48:53 No.33796968 Report

Quoted By: >>33797018 >>33797848

Silvally should have been able to mix and match any two types, or be any type regardless of hold item.

That'd at least give it a niche, even if it'd be hell to tier up each of its type combinations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 21:54:49 No.33797018 Report

Quoted By: >>33797073

>>33796968
Movepool might require an expansion. Whats the point of having Ground/Fairy Silvally if you can't effectively use either STAB

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:00:02 No.33797073 Report

Quoted By: >>33797134

>>33797018
I had an idea earlier about Multiattack being a two-hit move, with each hit being one of its users types, but that'd be a stopgap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:01:55 No.33797094 Report

Quoted By: >>33797102

literally all it needs to be good is swords dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:02:58 No.33797102 Report

Quoted By: >>33797155

>>33797094
meant extremespeed, sorry it already gets swords dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:07:10 No.33797134 Report

Quoted By: >>33797173 >>33797429

>>33797073
>Multi-attack two hit

This also comes with lowering the base power to like 50, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:09:29 No.33797155 Report

Quoted By: >>33797180 >>33797193

>>33797102
>Still has a garbage physical movepool
>Doesn't get Earthquake
>Has to rely on Fangs for coverage
If you want something with Extreme Speed, just use Linoone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:11:16 No.33797173 Report

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>>33797134
Yeah, 50 was about what I was thinking.
Not sure if there should be a slight accuracy reduction, or if the awkward effectiveness charts would make that too limiting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:12:50 No.33797180 Report

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>>33797155
SD extremespeed destroys most of OU
Iron Head and Fire Fang/flamethrower take care of resists or a certain pesky tapu

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:14:38 No.33797191 Report

Quoted By:

>>33795467
Normal Gem Explosion is funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:14:43 No.33797193 Report

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>>33797155
It could make due with Espeed, Crunch and an extra move for whatever you want to hit or escape

Thats good for a tier jump or two

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:31:12 No.33797309 Report

Quoted By: >>33797590

>>33795467
I think you meant UlSuUlMo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:45:07 No.33797416 Report

Quoted By:

>>33795467
>Z-move Extremespeed and Multiattack

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:46:37 No.33797429 Report

Quoted By:

>>33797134
I don't think so. 65 base power is the lower limit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 22:48:41 No.33797447 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796916
>moving the goalposts
I didn't move any goalposts you fucking muppet, OP brought up a lore point and in the lore Aether designed him to beat wild ultra beasts, which he does as I explained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:01:35 No.33797538 Report

Quoted By: >>33797804

>>33796946
>Thunderbolt having effect on Ground
>HP ground hitting flying types
>High Jump Kick hitting ghosts
>Night Slash being effective on fairy
>flying type being effective on steel
Do you get what am i saying? Not sure why you bring out coverage anyway, since the point is that it can resist and OHKO the UBs due to its type change. It does it better in lore but it relatively works in gameplay as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:08:58 No.33797590 Report

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>>33797309
It's UltSunUltMoo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:36:00 No.33797804 Report

Quoted By: >>33798038 >>33798097

>>33797538
No it doesn't work in gameplay because he gets beaten by stats and coverage so his type changeability is fucking irrelevant.

There's a reason he's PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:40:55 No.33797848 Report

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>>33796968
Would have been interesting if it became Normal/othertype. At least then it'd have like 6 unique typings, at least one of which is pretty good (Normal/Ghost).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:01:30 No.33798038 Report

Quoted By: >>33798112 >>33798127 >>33799383

>>33797804
>competitive
Shut up dude.

0 SpA Pheromosa Bug Buzz vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Ghost: 66-78 (19.9 - 23.5%) -- possible 5HKO

0 Atk Pheromosa Lunge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Ghost: 59-70 (17.8 - 21.1%) -- possible 5HKO

0 SpA Nihilego Acid Spray vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Ghost: 28-33 (8.4 - 9.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever

0 SpA Xurkitree Discharge vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Dragon: 72-86 (21.7 - 25.9%) -- 3.6% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Xurkitree Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Dragon: 41-48 (12.3 - 14.5%) -- possible 7HKO

0 SpA Kartana Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Steel: 18-22 (5.4 - 6.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

0 Atk Kartana X-Scissor vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Steel: 51-60 (15.4 - 18.1%) -- possible 6HKO

0 Atk Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally-Steel: 85-101 (25.6 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:10:55 No.33798097 Report

Quoted By: >>33798161 >>33798224 >>33799383

>>33797804
You're a fucking retard.

>252 SpA Silvally-Electric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Celesteela: 210-248 (52.7 - 62.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Life Orb Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Silvally-Electric: 198-234 (59.8 - 70.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Silvally-Ground Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xurkitree: 314-372 (102.2 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 SpA Xurkitree Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Ground: 254-300 (76.7 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 Atk Silvally-Ground Multi-Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 864-1020 (240.6 - 284.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>176 SpA Choice Specs Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Silvally-Ground: 192-226 (58 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 SpA Silvally-Fire Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 1140-1344 (440.1 - 518.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252 Atk Kartana All-Out Pummeling (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Silvally-Fire: 255-300 (77 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

But sure Pheromosa beats it because it's forced out by it. Brilliant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:12:44 No.33798112 Report

Quoted By: >>33800818

>>33798038
>not very effective moves don't do a lot of damage
no way

neck yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:14:38 No.33798127 Report

Quoted By: >>33800818

>>33798038
>Air Slash Kartana

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:20:30 No.33798161 Report

Quoted By: >>33798231

>>33798097
In fact this shit gets even funnier

>252+ Atk Life Orb Celesteela Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Silvally-Electric: 273-322 (82.4 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:30:53 No.33798224 Report

Quoted By: >>33798321

>>33798097
>0 attack life orb Celesteela
Ah yes my favorite set

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:31:56 No.33798231 Report

Quoted By:

>>33798161
stealth rock

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 00:45:36 No.33798321 Report

Quoted By: >>33798428

>>33798224
I'm responding to
>>33796567
>Celesteela used Earthquake

and

>>33796916
>life orb

Both defensive and offensive Celesteela lose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 01:01:03 No.33798428 Report

Quoted By:

>>33798321
banded doesn't
Niether does Z quake

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 01:07:01 No.33798477 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796946
>She uses Hidden Power as an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 01:09:04 No.33798491 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796916
>wild xurkitrees/ultra beasts in general have choice items

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:13:39 No.33799278 Report

Quoted By: >>33799312

the point of type:full was that it would be all types simultaneously and be able to defeat whatever came out of the portals, right?

how could that possibly be represented in-game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:19:40 No.33799312 Report

Quoted By: >>33799334

>>33799278
>Mega Keckleon:
>Ability: Polychromatic
Before this Pokemon is hit by an attack, it shifts into a random type not weak to that attack.
Before this Pokemon makes an attack, it shifts into the type of that attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:22:17 No.33799334 Report

Quoted By: >>33799340

>>33799312
the concept is cool but in practice wouldn't it just be easier to make a combo tinted lenses/filter ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:23:33 No.33799340 Report

Quoted By: >>33799369

>>33799334
Nah, it's flavor. Also, it has a random chance to shift into Ghost against normal or fighting, or Fairy against Dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:26:29 No.33799369 Report

Quoted By: >>33799496

>>33799340
I'm just imagining all the slowdown in battle it might cause
>stop the battle every time silvally is attacked or takes damage
>on top of any leftovers, weather, etc.

of course, having an ability like filter means nothing if it doesn't already have a type aside from normal, so maybe your idea is more feasible after all

either way, I hope they throw silvally a bone even if its a boring z-move

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:28:39 No.33799383 Report

Quoted By: >>33803420

>>33798038
>>33798097
are you guys braindead
you are just inventing specific instances in which he might have an advantage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:29:48 No.33799391 Report

Quoted By: >>33799408

Did you miss the part where he was a failure and was going to be put on ice indefinitely?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:31:37 No.33799408 Report

Quoted By: >>33799428

>>33799391
but I loved him so much he became silvally he deserves to be strong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:34:28 No.33799428 Report

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>>33799408
congrats on removing your dog's retard helmet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 03:45:04 No.33799496 Report

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>>33799369
Hm, hadn't thought about slowdown.
Honestly, that ability was just a tangentially related idea I had for a Mega Keckleon, but it could be streamlined pretty easily:
>Whenever this Pokemon would be the target of an attack, it shifts into a random type not weak to that attack.
And then have Multiattack be defined as the user's (primary) type, so it's always 135 power with a better-than-usual chance of being SE.

Or, if that's too weak/passive/etc:
>Whenever this Pokemon is sent out, it becomes a random type that the battle opponent is most vulnerable to.
Boom, universal softcheck. Still thwarted by speedy coverage (or just a switch), but guarantees that you have *some* way to threaten Landorus, Buzzwole, and Ferrothorn all in one mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 08:14:26 No.33800818 Report

Quoted By:

>>33798112
>>33798127
Those are the moves they have when you catch them, retards.
You know, what happens in the game. They don't have Earthquake or other TMs in the wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:04:39 No.33800938 Report

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Silvally only purpose in the live is being fucked in battle and sex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:12:45 No.33800960 Report

Quoted By: >>33800967

>>33796476
I'm glad you get that. Ppl like to argue tooth and nail that silvally is an actual evolution and not a glorified form change

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:14:27 No.33800967 Report

Quoted By: >>33800999

>>33800960
let's just ignore the stat, movepool and height/weight changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:16:08 No.33800976 Report

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>>33796719
That's stupid because it's supposed to be a grotesque attempt at making arceus. It makes perfect sense that it's ability is a bootlegged version of arceus' actual ability

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:23:32 No.33800999 Report

Quoted By: >>33801022

>>33800967
>By your logic Deoxys evolves too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:29:37 No.33801020 Report

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>>33795467
>USuUMo
Are you retarded? Yes.
I bet you even say SuMo, Bl2Wh2, OmRuAlSa and so on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:29:52 No.33801022 Report

Quoted By: >>33802421

>>33800999
Silvally
>new moves for levelling
>new tms
>changes height/weight
Deoxys
>certain moves change in each form
>tms are the same
>height/weight are the same
yep, definitely the same thing you fuckibg moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 09:30:00 No.33801024 Report

Quoted By:

>>33795483
fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 10:15:22 No.33801173 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796160
Did you even play the games, you mongoloid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 14:29:25 No.33802421 Report

Quoted By: >>33803141 >>33804202 >>33805253

>>33801022

You're a fucking moron. It LOSES weight and becomes faster upon form change because the helmet is heavy as hell, and GAINS height because of the helmet portion keeping the fan closed. It's used to suppress its power, hence why once removed it can start doing a bunch of shit.

You can't honestly be this dense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 16:34:53 No.33803141 Report

Quoted By: >>33803996

>>33802421
>haha if I'm aggressive at this one point he won't notice I ignored everything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 17:17:06 No.33803420 Report

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>>33799383
>specific instances
The second post is literally standard smogon sets. Except for Celesteela which barely ever runs Earthquake, especially on its offensive set which is usually special.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 18:38:55 No.33803941 Report

Quoted By:

>>33795510
>what literally is Lycanroc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 18:41:03 No.33803964 Report

Quoted By:

>>33796618
One single ball is easier to carry around than multiple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 18:46:49 No.33803996 Report

Quoted By: >>33804041

>>33803141

>He legitimately debunked be so I'll just resort to saying he didn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 18:52:53 No.33804041 Report

Quoted By:

>>33803996
>"""debunks""" 1 point
>ignores others
>dude you're finished

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 19:16:30 No.33804202 Report

Quoted By: >>33805253

>>33802421
It's ok anon. The moment he said stat, moveset, and height/weight changes equals an evolution; I thought he was a dipshit too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 21:29:24 No.33805253 Report

Quoted By:

>>33804202
an evolution is whatever gf wants it to be
if a pokemon evolves then it's evolution
also
>>33802421
>>33804202
samefag

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