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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:26:48 No.33817915 View View Reply Original Report

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Why did SM flop so hard /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:31:54 No.33817937 Report

Quoted By: >>33817973 >>33818028

Where did anybody say that? The games sucked is what people. Who disliked. Are you trying to say sales = quality?

If Sun and moon were so good why are all the Pokemon forums dead? Why are poketubers quiting pokemon and doing other stuff? Why aren't people hyped about these supposed amazing games Sun and moon. 3td versions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:33:35 No.33817941 Report

Quoted By: >>33817953 >>33817963 >>33820561

>flopping hard
>only been out for a year
>sold over 15 million copies
>second highest selling game on the console
(you)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:36:16 No.33817953 Report

Quoted By: >>33817963 >>33819518 >>33820841

>>33817941
Where did anyone say it's flopping hard. Call of duty every year sells 15 million too. The games get criticized also but people don't bring up sales to judge the quality. You sound like a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:38:10 No.33817963 Report

Quoted By: >>33817974 >>33817985 >>33819537 >>33819594

>>33817941
I am being sarcastic dumbass

>>33817953
that is what flop means and SM were easily one of the best pokemon games
fuck off retard

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:39:23 No.33817971 Report

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>>33817915
>ORAS bottom
>below worst Mario Kart as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:40:16 No.33817973 Report

Quoted By: >>33817981 >>33818008

>>33817937
Pokemon Sun and Moon were never bad. Objectively looking they are close to the top in terms of quality but vp loves to shit on it whilst praising fuck ups like RBY and GSC. The only problem with Sun and Moon was the lack of postgame which made it very short lived, aside from that the main game was pretty good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:40:27 No.33817974 Report

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>>33817963
Kek. Have fun paying money for usum dude. If it makes you feel better about yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:40:40 No.33817976 Report

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>>33817971
>best selling remakes on handheld with inferior install base

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:41:29 No.33817981 Report

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>>33817973
/vp/ isn't the only place that's shits on sun and moon. Go out more. Look around

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:41:51 No.33817984 Report

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>>33817971
The worst Mario Kart is 8, the balance is all fucked up in that game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:42:19 No.33817985 Report

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>>33817963
No that’s not what flop means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:42:44 No.33817986 Report

Quoted By: >>33817991 >>33817992 >>33818015

>>33817981
noone cares what nostalgia cucks think lmao
Even GF stopped trying to appeal to them after the failure that was ORAS
SM is the most innovative game yet in fact

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:43:12 No.33817989 Report

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>>33817981
Just like every other game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:44:03 No.33817991 Report

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>>33817986
The delusion is real but hey good for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:44:17 No.33817992 Report

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>>33817986
Anon are you trying to trigger /vp/ ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:44:55 No.33817995 Report

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>>33817981
I have. The general idea is that Pokémon Sun and Moon weren’t bad. Yes other people on forums like to complain but the amount is way smaller than on vp. Also a lot of the Poketubers hating on SM are trying to fit in to get more views for example Shofu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:46:29 No.33818001 Report

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>>33817971
>>ORAS bottom
Outsold FRLG and HGSS

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:46:59 No.33818005 Report

Quoted By: >>33818014 >>33818020 >>33818053 >>33818172

Minecraft is amazing over 70 million sales. Way bigger and better than sun and moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:48:21 No.33818008 Report

Quoted By: >>33818023

>>33817973
>fuck ups like RBY and GSC.
Holy shit anon.
Yeah what a massive fuckup even starting this franchise and turning it into a global phenomenon was.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:48:44 No.33818014 Report

Quoted By: >>33818055

>>33817992
yes, I'll say it again, SM are the most innovative games yet

>>33818005
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_the_highest-grossing_media_franchises#/List

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:48:46 No.33818015 Report

Quoted By: >>33818119

>>33817986
You still believe RSE is better than ORAS. Especially when they fixed a lot of problems in RSE and introduced many useful features such as the updated PokeNav. Any Pokemon game in the Mega Timeline has been shat on by vp but objectively looking they are some of the best Pokemon games outclassing many from the regular time line. You call him a nostalgia fag but you are the one making fun of ORAS

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:48:50 No.33818017 Report

Quoted By: >>33818053

Another fantastic game that's way better than sun and moon

Wii Sports Resorts. 32.80 Million Copies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:49:15 No.33818018 Report

Quoted By: >>33818025

>>33817915
It has some fantastic sales thats for sure but lets not forget it had the whole 20th annivesary promotions and Pokemon GO mania to help.

I remember people being sure it will oustell XY and even DP in just first few months. Wel that didnt happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:49:37 No.33818020 Report

Quoted By: >>33818053

>>33818005
You say this ironically but it 100% is better than any Pokemon game made in the last ten years or more.
Emergent gameplay is the future, Pokemon with its cutscene and linear gameplay obsession is getting left behind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:50:18 No.33818023 Report

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>>33818008
I was talking in terms of game quality. Not that hard to understand. Even to this day people still praise RBY claiming it’s the best game in the franchise and even more so with GSC, but they are basically bad coding and glitches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:50:38 No.33818025 Report

Quoted By: >>33818064

>>33818018
maybe it has to do with XY and ORAS ruining the series for most people
You can't compare them to DP and XY either, those are the first games on a new console

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:51:08 No.33818027 Report

Quoted By: >>33818039

R/B/G classic games 40 million sold way better than turd shit Sun and moon. 15 million is nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:51:18 No.33818028 Report

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>>33817937
This happen every generation
People like it, deal with it

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:52:26 No.33818035 Report

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Dunk hunt 28 million sold. Sun and moon isn't even say universe as this game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:53:34 No.33818039 Report

Quoted By: >>33818051 >>33820821 >>33821037

>>33818027
>muh nostalgia sells
>20 years on multiple consoles and re-releases compared to less than 12 months for SM

have it, you earned it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:54:01 No.33818042 Report

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>flop
>will soon be the best selling games since G/S

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:54:02 No.33818043 Report

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Nintendogs 23,960,000. Fantastic game way better than trash 15 million sun and moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:54:22 No.33818047 Report

Quoted By: >>33818082

When did this website upload?
Its been 3 months

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:55:14 No.33818051 Report

Quoted By: >>33818056 >>33818061

>>33818039
You think Sun and moon is continue too sell with USUM releasing and 3ds almost on its death bed. Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:55:36 No.33818053 Report

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>>33818005
>>33818017
>>33818020
>Comparing Pokemon to games that aren’t even from the same genre
>Try’s to make it seem like his point is valid

I will argue this over and over again. Pokemon is an RPG, for the most part it’s going to be linear. The quality of Pokemon games have rose but you nostalgiafags will continue to believe that the first ten years of Pokemon was where all the good games came from then anything after that is downhill. The only good Pokémon game to come out of the first ten years is Pokémon Emerald. Take your nostalgia goggles off and look at things from an objective view point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:56:21 No.33818055 Report

Quoted By: >>33818069 >>33818072

>>33818014
>yes, I'll say it again, SM are the most innovative games yet
Actually thats XY friendo

>first 3D games
>first worldwide release
>trainer customization for the first time around
>3D interractions with your Pokemon (amie)
>brand new type and first type matchup changes since 1999
>Mega evolution
>PSS being best online system in the series
>Wonder Trade
>biggest regional dex in any game yet

SM has HMs being removed and gyms replaced by trails. Cool but hardly much

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:56:24 No.33818056 Report

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>>33818051
nice strawman, you probably are a sub-100 iq shitter unable to argue

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:56:52 No.33818059 Report

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Kinect Adventures

24 million sold. Way way better than sun and moon. Just look at the sales 9 million more!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:58:01 No.33818061 Report

Quoted By: >>33818073

>>33818051
>He has a tumour for a brain
>Still tries to act smart
You still believe comparing RBY makes sense. When RBY was released on a system with 100 million units and was at the height of 90s craze. Your logic is very stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:58:33 No.33818064 Report

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>>33818025
>maybe it has to do with XY and ORAS ruining the series for most people
Kek, if that was the case they wouldnt sell like hotcakes and people wouldnt be so hyped about SM either. If anything people were burnedd by SM, thats why USU campaign has so little hype and so much negativity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:58:58 No.33818066 Report

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How did I forget this classic. Wii play.

28 million sold. Sun and moon take a backseat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 09:59:19 No.33818069 Report

Quoted By: >>33818081

>>33818055
SM made the game more plot and character relevant, the protagonist in the story is Lillie, it added mature themes about abusive parenthood, it added Z-moves, SOS wild battles, 2vs1 totem battles and broke many stereotypes about the progression in the game
XY had technical advancements yes, but I don't consider that innovative
Then shit like Mario would be innovating every time a new console releases

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:00:22 No.33818072 Report

Quoted By: >>33818076 >>33818079

>>33818055
In my opinion all the Pokemon games in the Mega Timeline are some of the most innovative games in the franchise. Since the beginning of the franchise the quality of the anime went up, the competitive scene is being taken more seriously and merchandise is not only improving in quality but also growing all around the world

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:00:53 No.33818073 Report

Quoted By: >>33818088

>>33818061
And? Pokemon Sun and moon released 4 months after the 2nd Pokemon craze. Pokemon go. Can it best d/p or g/s. Not a chance in hell. All these quality games in this thread have more sales than sun and moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:01:25 No.33818076 Report

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>>33818072
Sorry I meant since the beginning of Pokémon X and Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:02:03 No.33818079 Report

Quoted By: >>33818096

>>33818072
Taken scene taken more seriously are you serious? Now I know you're full of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:02:14 No.33818081 Report

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>>33818069
>SM made the game more plot and character relevant
BW did that first
>it added mature themes about abusive parenthood
Kek.
>it added Z-moves
Which is basically megaevos for moves
>SOS wild battles, 2vs1 totem battles and broke many stereotypes about the progression in the game
Yeah XY did horde and inverse battles, BW did triples ad rotations. Every gen has its own batle gimmicks

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:02:44 No.33818082 Report

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>>33818047

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:04:13 No.33818088 Report

Quoted By: >>33818106

>>33818073
Are you still trying to make your point seem valid. As I said you have tumour for a brain. Sun and Moon only sold 4 million less than DP with a user base twice the size of the 3DS. Pokemon GSC was riding off the popularity of RBY and also had a user base twice the size of the 3DS.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:04:22 No.33818090 Report

Quoted By: >>33818104

20 million sold. Damn Sun and moon. Grab a seat over there you piece of shit

Gold and silver is king. Just look at the sales

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:05:28 No.33818096 Report

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>>33818079
The fuck are you on about, you illiterate cunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:06:30 No.33818104 Report

Quoted By: >>33818107

>>33818090
Are you still posting this shit. You are not making any points, you degenerate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:06:38 No.33818106 Report

Quoted By: >>33818109 >>33818112

>>33818088
If Sun and moon was so amazing why didn't it sell 3ds systems then. Is it not a system seller like red and blue and d/p were? If gsc were selling gbc like it was nothing

Isn't Pokemon currently supposed to mega ip?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:07:52 No.33818107 Report

Quoted By: >>33818113

>>33818104
Quality = sales according to op. So I'm posting games that are better than Sun and moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:08:05 No.33818109 Report

Quoted By: >>33818118

>>33818106
It was released in fucking 2016. A few months before the Switch was released. Do you not think. Fuck outta here you council estate cunt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:08:45 No.33818112 Report

Quoted By: >>33818133

>>33818106
>almost 16 million units sold
>not a system seller

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:09:08 No.33818113 Report

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>>33818107
Oh ok then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:10:14 No.33818118 Report

Quoted By: >>33818134

>>33818109
Oh so how will Sun and moon sell to the level of d/p and g/s. you said Sun and moon will keep selling even with 3ds dead and usum coming? Will usum even get to x and y level I'm afraid not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:10:16 No.33818119 Report

Quoted By: >>33818131

>>33818015
Only newfags care about the dexnav.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:13:20 No.33818131 Report

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>>33818119
>Been with the series for over 10 years
>Called a newfag

You are a retard if you think that is the case. It allowed for quicker breeding and better Pokémon through your play through. But you nostalgiafags will go and praise the Poketch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:14:11 No.33818133 Report

Quoted By: >>33818161

>>33818112
But how many bought for the sole purpose to play Sun and moon. Are we talking about millions or thousands.

I'm worried right. Sun and moon had 20th anniversary, Pokemon go hype. Only nintendo games that released for holidays 2016. And there's a possibility it doesn't outsell x and y or d/p. Sad sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:14:59 No.33818134 Report

Quoted By: >>33818140

>>33818118
When did I say Sun and Moon will keep selling on the 3DS. Stop pulling shut out of your ass you low life chav

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:16:43 No.33818140 Report

Quoted By: >>33818147 >>33818167

>>33818134

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:18:39 No.33818147 Report

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>>33818140
>bluetooth
>phoneposting
>5%
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:22:29 No.33818161 Report

Quoted By: >>33818167 >>33818173

>>33818133
Still trying to make this a point. D/P was released on the DS. It has double user base of the 3DS. It was released at the beginning of the DS and when original fans were returning. I hope that part is easy for your pea brain. I don’t even understand why you are trying to make it seem like the difference between Pokémon Sun and Moon and X and Y are huge. It’s barely a million copies. Pokemon X and Y were released 3 years before Sun and Moon as well. The Pokemon Go craze died in August of 2016. Pokemon Sun and Moon was released in November 2016. The Pokemon Go craze had very little impact on the sales. The only thing the Pokémon GO boosted was the sales of RBY on VC. The only people who care about a franchise’s anniversary is the already existing fan. I don’t see myself getting excited over the anniversary of Mario Party, because I’m not a fan of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:23:35 No.33818167 Report

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>>33818140
That wasn’t me though. Have I posted a picture with any of my other posts. No. So what makes your stupid brain think that was me. This is me>>33818161

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:24:04 No.33818172 Report

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>>33818005
Minecraft also appeals to a way wider audience and has been selling the same game for approaching 9 years now, when Pokemon gets its sales split between versions that come out every one to two years

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:24:16 No.33818173 Report

Quoted By: >>33818182

>>33818161
They had a Superbowl commercial dude for 20th anniversary.

100 million people in USA saw it. 5 million it cost to run a commercial for Superbowl. Too say the 20th anniversary didn't impact sales is wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:26:23 No.33818182 Report

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>>33818173
>Acting like half the people watching the Super Bowl knew what a 3DS is

Also the Super Bowl commercial had nothing to do with Sun and Moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 10:37:55 No.33818215 Report

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>>33817915
You are comparing a game released years ago to a game release 1 year ago, didn't you notice that sun moon have 2 years more ?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:27:00 No.33819385 Report

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Sales aren't Black & White.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:43:01 No.33819477 Report

Quoted By: >>33819493

>>33817974
>Paying money
What else are they gonna pay for USUm ? Crackers ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:44:55 No.33819493 Report

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>>33819477
>replying to barneyfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:49:39 No.33819518 Report

Quoted By: >>33819527

>>33817953
>Where did anyone say it's flopping hard

>>33817915
Why did SM flop so hard

????????????????????

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:51:34 No.33819527 Report

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>>33819518
op was sarcastic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:52:58 No.33819537 Report

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>>33817963
>easily one of the best pokemon games

Okay, anon, tell me how.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:53:07 No.33819538 Report

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>>33817971
>worst Mario Kart
It had the best retro course selection, tightest kart controls and great item balance. The only downside 7 has is the lack of a single player VS mode and missions, something its predecessors (DS and Wii) had.
The worst would either be Super, solely because it's redundant with Super Circuit existing, or 8 for having even worse item and weight class balance than the other games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 15:01:54 No.33819594 Report

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>>33817963
>IT WAS MERELY A JEST

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 15:18:05 No.33819684 Report

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>>33817915
Pokemon is the number one media franchise in the world.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 15:25:57 No.33819718 Report

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>>33817915
Because Pokemon is not iterating fast enough.

We want real change.
We want prettier graphs.
New features.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:02:38 No.33820393 Report

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You can at least put some effort into your bait anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:05:44 No.33820417 Report

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>>33817915
I don't get it, OP. The graphic shows it doing only relatively worse than XY, which did really well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:25:21 No.33820561 Report

Quoted By: >>33820594

>>33817941
What’s scary is that it’s not a year yet and these numbers were as if 6/30 of this year. It’s probably at 18m.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:29:39 No.33820594 Report

Quoted By: >>33820635

>>33820561
Why the fuck would anybody be buying Sun & Moon now when US/UM are coming out just around the corner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:34:08 No.33820635 Report

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>>33820594
Real fans won't, but there are a lot of parents/casual fans who don't know that much about the series and will buy the games without doing research first, just because it's Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:59:47 No.33820821 Report

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>>33818039
40 million isn't counting re-releases, and buying the games 2nd hand doesn't count so buying a rby cartridge 20 years later isn't going to count towards that number since nintendo wouldn't see money from it, or have an idea that jimmy sold his game at a yard sale or game stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 18:02:00 No.33820841 Report

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>>33817953
>Where did anyone say it's flopping hard
Do you even know how to read? Jesus Christ you're retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 18:27:06 No.33821037 Report

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>>33818039
>You see, you got married at 25, 7 years after it was legal to for you to marry. Now at this pace, you'll have 6 spouses by the age of 60. There is absolutely no way you'll stop at any point for any reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 18:44:11 No.33821154 Report

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I am not going to give you the typical fanboy answer, sorry.
For me, personally, I won't buy a game that I don't like. And Sun and Moon are one of the games I dislike, so, I don't have them.
I prefer X because the game was somewhat refreshing and I have Alpha because I enjoyed Sapphire and was wondering how the remake is and it was worth it.

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