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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 12:57:57 No.33927585 View View Reply Original Report

What's a good set for Celesteela on a more offensive oriented team on battlespot? I debated using one of the following:

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Impish @ 252 HP, 128 Atk, 8 Def, 120 SpD
Earthquake
Heavy Slam
Protect
Leech Seed

Celesteela @ Assault Vest
Naive @ 8 Atk, 252 SpA, 248 Spe
Flash Cannon
Air Slash
Giga Drain
Flame Charge

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Modest @ 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 252 Spe
Fire Blast
Air Slash
Giga Drain
Autotomize

Think any of these work fine? Or do you recommend something else? Also for what it's worth my Z move user is taken, so I can't do a Z move Celesteela.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 14:37:18 No.33928043 Report

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Bump for help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 14:40:03 No.33928061 Report

Quoted By: >>33928068 >>33929698

>>33927585
Trade leftovers for weakness policy and wreck shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 14:40:43 No.33928068 Report

Quoted By: >>33928128

>>33928061
On which set? Autotomize?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 14:49:08 No.33928128 Report

Quoted By: >>33928354 >>33929698

>>33928068
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 15:27:32 No.33928354 Report

Quoted By: >>33929425

>>33928128
Thank you, anon. I'll give that a shot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 16:35:06 No.33928747 Report

Quoted By: >>33929291

>>33927585
>128, 8 and 120 EVs at level 50
Make it 124, 4, 124 and 4 to speed, you'll hit the same stats at attack and Defense, while increasing SpDef and Speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 17:58:54 No.33929291 Report

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>>33928747
Thank you anon, excellent point. I was calculating for level 100.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:00:54 No.33929311 Report

Quoted By: >>33929390 >>33929698

I've had good luck with physical autotomize
Weakness policy + acrobatics does a lot of damage, but it's a little weak if you don't activate it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:11:53 No.33929390 Report

Quoted By: >>33929454

>>33929311
>Weakness policy + acrobatics
I like it. How likely are you to survive a fire or electric attack though without defensive investment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:18:10 No.33929425 Report

Quoted By: >>33929698

>>33928354
Not that anon but WP Autonomize is so much fun, I use it all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:22:39 No.33929454 Report

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>>33929390
I don't remember my evs but I had it be able to take basically any non-stab SE on the special side

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:47:29 No.33929618 Report

Quoted By: >>33929621

is Air Slash good for 'Teela?

Been considering it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:48:02 No.33929621 Report

Quoted By: >>33930667

>>33929618
Yeah it's good, Flying Stab is cherished in this meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 18:56:37 No.33929698 Report

Quoted By: >>33930021 >>33930042 >>33930086

>>33928061
>>33928128
>>33929311
>>33929425
Okay so I'm thinking I will try:

Celesteela @ Weakness Policy
Adamant @ 252 Atk, 4 SpD, 252 Spe
Earthquake
Acrobatics
Heavy Slam
Autotomize

Sound good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 19:47:05 No.33930021 Report

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>>33929698
You might not need all those attack and speed evs, but those are good moves
Open up a damage calc and see if you can fiddle with defensive EVs
And figure out what you need your speed to be after +2, you don't really need to outspeed everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 19:49:44 No.33930042 Report

Quoted By: >>33930086 >>33930132 >>33930176

>>33929698
Autonomize doesn't really go well with Heavy Slam since it lowers your weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 19:56:39 No.33930086 Report

Quoted By: >>33930132 >>33930176

>>33929698
Replace Heavy Slam for Iron Head. Like >>33930042 said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:05:10 No.33930132 Report

Quoted By: >>33930154

>>33930042
>>33930086
Heavy slam is still usually stronger I think
Celesteela is very heavy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:09:35 No.33930154 Report

Quoted By: >>33930174 >>33930176

>>33930132
>Autotomize
>Celesteela is very heavy
Pick one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:10:15 No.33930159 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:13:14 No.33930174 Report

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>>33930154
You're still way heavier than most pokemon though, and iron head's 80 base attack isn't exactly impressive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:13:30 No.33930176 Report

Quoted By: >>33930295

>>33930042
>>33930086
>>33930154
It only lowers it by 200. Celesteela weighs 2200, Autotomize isn't going to matter for shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:30:54 No.33930295 Report

Quoted By: >>33930319 >>33930559

>>33930176
Automotize halves your weight. It makes it 1100

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:33:50 No.33930319 Report

Quoted By: >>33930342 >>33931227

>>33930295
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Autotomize_(move)
>Autotomize raises the user's Speed stat by two stages and decreases the user's weight by 220 lbs. (100 kg), but cannot make the Pokémon's weight lower than 0.2 lbs. (0.1 kg).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:36:46 No.33930342 Report

Quoted By: >>33930382 >>33930703 >>33930966 >>33931227

>>33930319
>Bulbapedo
Anon... Has nobody warned you about them?

>https://www.serebii.net/attackdex-bw/autotomize.shtml
>https://pokemondb.net/move/autotomize

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:41:25 No.33930382 Report

Quoted By: >>33930408 >>33930703

>>33930342
Is this accurate? Why would they post blatantly incorrect info?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 20:43:56 No.33930408 Report

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>>33930382
Because they do frequently? It has no reason to even exist now it's no longer a pedo ring.
WIsh I had the screencap of them claiming M-Pidgeot was Electric and M-Beedrill was Dragon right beside the "Please do not post speculation" warning

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:06:17 No.33930559 Report

Quoted By: >>33930592 >>33930656

>>33930295
That's still a very good heavy slam weight

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:12:21 No.33930592 Report

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>>33930559
Sure, but the thing I responded to was "It only lowers it by 200 from 2200."

Using Autotomize means that something only has to be over a QUARTER of the weight of Celesteela to recieve minimum damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:24:42 No.33930656 Report

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>>33930559
They have to weigh less than 275 for it to deal the same damage as Iron Head

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:25:44 No.33930667 Report

Quoted By: >>33931366

>>33929621
>Flying type STAB
>if able to swords dance, herb Sky Attack OHKOs almost anything
>Unburden triggers and boosts Speed
>Acrobatics everything to death
>Not in the SM Dex

Fuck. When will it be /ourtime/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:32:03 No.33930703 Report

Quoted By: >>33930740

>>33930342
Don't be silly. Getting some mistakes in the past shouldn't brand the whole site as unreliable. Unless you think Joe is absolutely perfect and has no mistakes whatsoever. Everyone makes mistakes. Especially this godforsaken imageboard.

>>33930382
Pick whichever site is more convenient for you anon. They're all the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:36:21 No.33930740 Report

Quoted By: >>33930753

>>33930703
I didn't say mistakes make you unreliable. I said that having blatantly wrong information, frequently, including information literally everyone else has correct in the year of our lord 2017, having had a pedo ring, insisting you never put up leaks, even if they're true while also confirming total horseshit and just generally being a fucking subpar scumsite makes you unreliable. I still use it myself, because it's a damn convenient site, but it's fucking bulbapedo, it has a reputation and for good reason

>They're all the same
But they're not. One has blatantly wrong information that has him using an insanely subpar move

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:37:44 No.33930753 Report

Quoted By: >>33930779 >>33930787 >>33930897

>>33930740
>having had a pedo ring
Why do I constantly hear this? What's the story?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:40:44 No.33930779 Report

Quoted By: >>33930897

>>33930753
One of the admins said "age is just a number" like a decade ago and these 4chan boys love the meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:41:59 No.33930787 Report

Quoted By: >>33930897

>>33930753
Stupid shit being blown put of proportion. What else is new.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 21:55:32 No.33930897 Report

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>>33930779
>>33930787
>>33930753
No, the guy who said "age is just a number" said it on /vp/, after the scandal. He had to purge a shit ton of pedophiles from the forums and defended them on here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:01:50 No.33930966 Report

Quoted By: >>33930976 >>33931219 >>33931227

>>33930342
http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/moves/autotomize/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:03:16 No.33930976 Report

Quoted By: >>33931227

>>33930966
Feel free to check it in game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:26:04 No.33931219 Report

Quoted By: >>33931230

>>33930966
B T F O
T
F
O

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:27:05 No.33931227 Report

Quoted By: >>33931258

>>33930966
>>33930342
>>33930319
SO WHICH IS IT
>>33930976
Fucking HOW?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:27:26 No.33931230 Report

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>>33931219
That's not what that means anon, regardless of which of us you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:29:28 No.33931258 Report

Quoted By: >>33931269

>>33931227
The fuck do you mean how? Boot up your game, actually on the 3DS, use autotomize then hit something that would die if you'd used it at full weight.
Heavy Slam goes by what % of the attackers weight the defender has. If it only lowered it by 200 odd there would be almost NOTHING that the damage was lowered on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:31:15 No.33931269 Report

Quoted By: >>33931278 >>33931293 >>33931318

>>33931258
>My Celesteels is level 100 and MAX attack
>Find something that survives
Yeah okay I'll get right on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:32:44 No.33931278 Report

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>>33931269
Are you from geddit or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:33:45 No.33931293 Report

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>>33931269
That's not that hard anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:35:31 No.33931306 Report

Quoted By: >>33931313 >>33931350

Why the fuck would Smogon and Bulb say one thing and Serebii and Pokemondb say another?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:36:17 No.33931313 Report

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>>33931306
somebody in this room is lying

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:36:40 No.33931318 Report

Quoted By: >>33931324 >>33931350 >>33931355

>>33931269
>252+ Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Skarmory: 106-126 (49.7 - 59.1%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
Just fight Kahili. Yes, that is when Skarmory is level 63.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:37:43 No.33931324 Report

Quoted By: >>33931355

>>33931318
Forgot to take off the HP EVs
>252+ Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skarmory: 106-126 (60.9 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKOs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:40:43 No.33931350 Report

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>>33931306
One pair are infamous for being wrong and the other are an open forum anyone can edit.

>>33931318
You can't use smogons calc to see if smogon is wrong, but if you were just using it to prove Celesteela won't OHKO Skarmory, you're totally right.

Save infront of Kahili, hit Skarmory with Heavy Slam, then SR and use automize A FEW TIMES first. Skarmory is MUCH lighter than Celesteela, one use wouldn't change the damage even if it was halved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:41:15 No.33931355 Report

Quoted By: >>33931373

>>33931318
>>33931324
Except that won't fucking work. Skarmory only weighs 111 lbs. Even if Autotomize DOES cut weight in half, Skarmory still weighs less than 20% Of Celesteela's weight. The damage won't change.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:42:06 No.33931366 Report

Quoted By: >>33931520

>>33930667
>Gen 7
>Still using herb Sky Attack to trigger Unburden
Get with the times anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:42:44 No.33931373 Report

Quoted By: >>33931482

>>33931355
Autotomize cuts the weight multiple times doesn't it? If you cut, say, 800lb off Celesteela by using it 3 times, the damage wouldn't change, but if you halved it three times it would.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:58:18 No.33931482 Report

Quoted By: >>33931498

>>33931373
Just tried it, definitely did the same damage after a triple Autotomize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 22:59:55 No.33931498 Report

Quoted By: >>33931508

>>33931482
Well quite simple then, find out if it does stack. Use it until it should render the damage less even with the 200 cut

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 23:03:15 No.33931508 Report

Quoted By: >>33931512

>>33931498
Autotomize won't work if your speed can't go higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 23:04:25 No.33931512 Report

Quoted By: >>33931533

>>33931508
I'm 100% certain it halves your weight, but I can't think of a more accurate way to check off the top of my head

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 23:05:33 No.33931520 Report

Quoted By: >>33932227

>>33931366
Wow. That's awesome.
How well does Koko partner with Hawlucha? I must know, for VGC 2018 if he's in the UsUm Dex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Oct 2017 23:07:23 No.33931533 Report

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>>33931512
Try Olivia's Probopass then
>749.6 lbs.
>252+ Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 103-123 (61.3 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 00:31:45 No.33932227 Report

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>>33931520
It rose all the way to OU this year, meaning it's great.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 00:39:29 No.33932295 Report

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why not just do a link battle or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 02:39:16 No.33933171 Report

Quoted By: >>33933187

Bump. Has Autotomize been solved?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 02:40:42 No.33933187 Report

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>>33933171
No

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 03:26:38 No.33933457 Report

Quoted By: >>33933466 >>33933559

Can I manage to do something good with a Naughty nature Celesteela? I caught that and a Sassy one (that I use defensively), then saved the game right after and forgot to check if the natures were any good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 03:28:01 No.33933466 Report

Quoted By: >>33933573

>>33933457
You can do lewd things with her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 03:40:43 No.33933559 Report

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>>33933457
physical attacker, I guess.
heavy slam
earthquake
z-fly

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Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 03:41:58 No.33933573 Report

Quoted By: >>33933581

>>33933466
I-I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO READ THAT

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Anonymous Sat 28 Oct 2017 03:43:08 No.33933581 Report

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>>33933573
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