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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:18:41 No.33973393 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>33973467 >>33973534 >>33973564 >>33973571 >>33973985

>Toxapex has dethroned Magearna as the queen of OU

How the hell did that happen? Weren't everybody crying about Magearna being broken a few weeks ago? Toxapex has been the same since SM released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:24:42 No.33973453 Report

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Ur mom

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:26:36 No.33973467 Report

Quoted By: >>33973521 >>33973611 >>33973645

>>33973393
Dugtrio got banned, so Toxapex can actually now run Leftovers or Rocky Helmet instead of the mandatory Shed Shell. Being able to hold an item in high level play has made Toxapex much harder to deal with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:31:12 No.33973510 Report

Quoted By: >>33973533 >>33973549

It's what happens when Dugtrio goes away: a new fresh hell awakens.

And it's in the form of a crown-of-thorns starfish. And Therian Landorus, of course. He's gonna stick around in OU till the end of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:32:26 No.33973521 Report

Quoted By: >>33973645

>>33973467
>Leftovers
>Not Black Sludge
but tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:34:14 No.33973533 Report

Quoted By: >>33973579

>>33973510
>Therian Forme Landorus is a lifer in OU like Gengar and Tyranitar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:34:15 No.33973534 Report

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>>33973393
t. doesn't play OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:35:35 No.33973549 Report

Quoted By: >>33973623 >>33974326

>>33973510
But Dugtrio was Magearna's biggest threat, even more so than to Toxapex. If anything it should have buffed Magearna, not made it weaker.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:36:25 No.33973564 Report

Quoted By: >>33973589 >>33973714

>>33973393
Dugtrio ban means pex and heatran can go to work dismantling stall piece by bloody piece.
Stall is dead, the queen has fallen, and the true queen shall rise (pic related)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:36:59 No.33973571 Report

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>>33973393
Of course, Niggerus-T is still there. Ban this fuck already. Why the actual FUCK isn't it in Ubers?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:37:25 No.33973579 Report

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>>33973533

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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:38:20 No.33973589 Report

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>>33973564
>Lando is going to get a harem of Celesteela, Magearna, and Toxapex
Damn, I'm jealous. That's the benefit of being perma-king.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:41:26 No.33973611 Report

Quoted By: >>33973645 >>33973658 >>33973668

>>33973467
I thought every OU mon always held Leftovers or Black Sludge depending on type (Poison-type OUs hold Black Sludge, other OUs hold Leftovers)
>But I'm not a competitive battler and therefore I don't know jack shit about this Smogon OU business.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:42:59 No.33973623 Report

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>>33973549
toxapex benefits more from its absence

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:45:15 No.33973645 Report

Quoted By: >>33974071

>>33973467
>>33973521
>>33973611
Same thing. Stop being pedantic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:45:16 No.33973646 Report

Quoted By: >>33973691 >>33974123

They banned Dugtrio?

Did it get some sort of crazy buff I don't know about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:45:50 No.33973658 Report

Quoted By: >>33973688

>>33973611
You think Tapu Lele and Greninja us Leftovers? Really? After Choice Specs and Scarves have been around for a decade? Really, anon? Really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:46:42 No.33973668 Report

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>>33973611
The Tapus of healthy meta have been greeted with kindness, everything that's not stall has several scarfed pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:48:42 No.33973688 Report

Quoted By: >>33974065

>>33973658
Go easy on him, anon. Just because he hasn't played a single competitive match in 10 years doesn't mean he's not entitled to an opinion on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:48:57 No.33973691 Report

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>>33973646
Dugtrio was a major part of stall, just being able to bring it in and say nope, your Pokemon dies now really fucked balance and HO over
It's not actually banned, just arena trap is, but without arena trap dugtrio might as well be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:51:24 No.33973714 Report

Quoted By: >>33973746 >>33974011 >>33974700

>>33973564
Who else hyped for Synthesis, Stealth Rock, Moonblast, Heat Crash, Defog, and natural UB abilities in USUM

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 01:54:18 No.33973746 Report

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>>33973714
Hell yeah
Honestly, I think I'd prefer leech seed over actual recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:05:07 No.33973847 Report

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>>33973571
why should it be banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:09:05 No.33973892 Report

Quoted By: >>33974043 >>33974355

>>33973571
Uber's is not a usage tier, it's a banlist. usage has no affect on whether a Pokemon is banned there or not
Lando-T is not overpowered, it just condenses a lot of roles into one slot so you don't have to worry about running 2+ Pokemon to do the same thing, allowing you to run stuff you actually want/like

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:18:03 No.33973985 Report

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>>33973393
>OU - Waifus and Landorus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:20:29 No.33974011 Report

Quoted By: >>33974054

>>33973714
Would Synthesis and Defog be enough to push Celesteela to S-rank?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:24:14 No.33974043 Report

Quoted By: >>33974090

>>33973892
Uber sounds like the tier for Pokemon variants too powerful for OU.

Why is Therian Landorus still in OU? Can it actually cover its double weakness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:25:27 No.33974054 Report

Quoted By: >>33974070

>>33974011
Probably? It starts getting 4mss, has so many moves it wants to run
I actually want it to get a +attack or +special attack buff move so it can also be a set up sweeper for the memes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:27:07 No.33974065 Report

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>>33973688
I haven't played a single competitive match PERIOD!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:28:09 No.33974070 Report

Quoted By: >>33974101

>>33974054
actually runs fairly well with an autotomize set and a z move, either physical or special

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:28:15 No.33974071 Report

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>>33973645
Except when dealing with Thief. Just saiyan

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:30:56 No.33974090 Report

Quoted By: >>33974179

>>33974043
Lando-t is still in ou because all it really is is a Glidcor with intimidate and a higher attack stat, but no recovery
If it got recovery, it'd be too much, but water types are common, steela is common, ice coverage is common

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:32:43 No.33974101 Report

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>>33974070
Yep, but protectseed will do better
Used setup steela plenty

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:33:53 No.33974110 Report

Quoted By: >>33974116

>smogon sheep

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:35:00 No.33974116 Report

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>>33974110
>implying I only play smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:35:57 No.33974123 Report

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>>33973646
It got a bit of an attack boost but Dugtrio's big buff is mostly implicit.
In gen 3 Dugtrio was the same but pokemon were MUCH weaker and most teams had multiple methods of handling every threat in the game. If Dugtrio took away a Pokemon you could probably still win.
Gen 7 is too strong and too bulky for that to be true. You will have one pokemon who is your only way to win against stall/charizard y/tapu lele/40 other threats. If Dugtrio traps that you may as well forfeit because you can't win anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:37:45 No.33974138 Report

Quoted By: >>33974162 >>33974173

Dicked around with SubSwarm Volcarona today, damage output is amazing. 2 Quiver dances up and Swarm boosted Savage Spin Out OHKOS Toxapex. Fucking Toxapex which resists it. Holy shit.

This set would have been amazing if it was discovered and popularised while Duggy was still around. Remove Chansey/Heatran/Toxapex and Volcarona eats whole teams alive. Only Mantine and Scarfers could stop it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:40:15 No.33974162 Report

Quoted By: >>33974200

>>33974138
how are you going to get two quiver dances on a toxapex though
it'll just haze after the first one

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:42:02 No.33974173 Report

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>>33974138
>pex not hazing
>Duggy not coming in and stomping the bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:42:18 No.33974179 Report

Quoted By: >>33974234 >>33974250 >>33974272

>>33974090
>Ice coverage
Bulky or fast Ice-types are the best bet against Therian Landorus - even if they're not in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:44:00 No.33974200 Report

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>>33974162
Nah just showing Volcarona's potential damage output, Pex should be able to stop this particular set most of the time if it's healthy.

People who run Toxic over Haze are screwed though. Sub up on that and continue boosting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:47:30 No.33974234 Report

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>>33974179
252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Landorus-Therian: 308-364 (80.6 - 95.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Literally just coverage

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:49:03 No.33974250 Report

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>>33974179
Ice types are not going to help you against a landorus very often. Your froslass is only helpful if your opponent is stupid enough to stay in.
If you want to actually get rid of lando use something that's not supposed to have a strong special move. Draco meteor garchomp ice beam tyranitar or something

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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:51:03 No.33974272 Report

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>>33974179
>Bulky Ice-types

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 02:58:24 No.33974326 Report

Quoted By: >>33974405

>>33973549
it's not weaker, the council just changed its viability ranking to avoid doing a suspect test

they are evil

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:01:04 No.33974355 Report

Quoted By: >>33974393 >>33974399

>>33973892
>Lando-T is not overpowered,

yeah, try to stop a +2 attk Z-move Lando and tell me again if its not overpowered you little shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:05:06 No.33974393 Report

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>>33974355
>every pokemon with swords dance is broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:05:57 No.33974399 Report

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>>33974355
That sounds more like a personal problem, +2 z-move killing something = Lando-t op? How strange...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:06:19 No.33974405 Report

Quoted By: >>33974526

>>33974326
but that's wrong, it's seeing less tournament use and certain sets like z-bolt are less common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:22:08 No.33974526 Report

Quoted By: >>33974653

>>33974405
Heatran is seeing more use with duggy gone, that's the big thing... don't know if there's any other duggy weak mons that put pressure on mag are seeing more use

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:37:25 No.33974653 Report

Quoted By: >>33974666

>>33974526
Magearna has trouble breaking through M-Venusaur and M-Scizor. Tyranitar usage is also up. Tyranitar loses to Mag 1v1 but keep in mind it's most commonly paired with Excadrill and Zard Y, both of whom put lots of offensive pressure on Mag

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Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:38:48 No.33974663 Report

Quoted By: >>33975003

No matter what happens, the King will always remain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:38:59 No.33974666 Report

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>>33974653
oh ye, ttar, excadrill and zard x no longer need to fear duggy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:44:11 No.33974700 Report

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>>33973714
I'm excited for them to pushed over into ubers. Should be amusing to see the salt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 03:48:17 No.33974726 Report

Quoted By: >>33974957

You ever get that feeling that back in Gen 4 someone wished on a monkey's paw for Garchomp to stop being the king of OU, and it led to ground genie taking their place the very next gen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 04:17:00 No.33974957 Report

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>>33974726
Considering Garchomp was banned like 3 months after a working gen 4 simulator was released, no, not really. That would be like asking Blaziken and Aegislash to stop being the kings of OU now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Nov 2017 04:25:19 No.33975003 Report

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>>33974663
Is this a Cuphead reference?

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