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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:50:06 No.34143643 View View Reply Original Report

Fix it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:51:15 No.34143657 Report

Quoted By: >>34143675 >>34143718 >>34143801 >>34148376 >>34148613

>>34143643
Make more speedy Ice types and increase defense by 50% in Hail. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:51:34 No.34143659 Report

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>>34143643
It should be a glass canon because it's Ice. I don't get why GF tries to make bulky ice types
Also make it SE against fairies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:52:13 No.34143663 Report

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Fast offensive Ice/Ground (physical) and Ice/Electric (special) version exclusive counterpart UBs. Minmax to your heart's content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:53:13 No.34143675 Report

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>>34143657
Fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:57:36 No.34143718 Report

Quoted By: >>34143732

>>34143643
This>>34143657
Plus making Steel and Fire types immune to Hail, increasing Hail's adaptability.
Plus resisting Fairy. This makes no sense on Ice's part, but perfect sense of Fairy's, since Fairy is weak to the types that are shitty offensively. It only makes sense that it have a hard time damaging those that are shit defensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:58:57 No.34143728 Report

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>>34143643
ice type is extremely great offensive and trash defensive, so how we "fix" it? make fast attacker glass canons and not defensive pokemon with one of the worst defensive typeings, the end.
It works with weavile and it is not even the perfect example since it lags power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:59:15 No.34143730 Report

Quoted By: >>34143741 >>34145270 >>34150227 >>34150279

What's the logic of Ice resisting Fairy?

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:59:23 No.34143732 Report

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>>34143718
>It only makes sense that it have a hard time damaging those that are shit defensively
fucking kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 04:59:33 No.34143735 Report

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>>34143643
Make a Freeze counterpart to Hypnosis and give it exclusively to Ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:00:09 No.34143741 Report

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>>34143730
Fire resists Fairy because fire destroys their habitat, but so does ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:02:22 No.34143779 Report

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>>34143643
Ice Pokémon get a Water resistance and their speed is doubled in Hail. Fixed?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:03:32 No.34143788 Report

Quoted By: >>34143842 >>34145285 >>34149637

>>34143735
"Wow, you gave me a great idea! Now I will make an 80% instafreeze move and give that move to 99% of all water types."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:04:26 No.34143801 Report

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>>34143657
>>34143659
Neato.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:07:26 No.34143842 Report

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>>34143735
>>34143788

Freeze is actually fine. Lasts forever and only switching into a Fire move or Haze heals it. This makes Blizzard Chansey extreme powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 05:18:33 No.34143977 Report

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>>34143842
With its great Special stat, Chansey can hardly attack treats like Dragonite with its strong physical moves like Hyper Beam. And 90 % accuracy with 120 Base damage and a 30 % freeze chance is a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:25:12 No.34144644 Report

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Ice slash

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:34:53 No.34144743 Report

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why was there no ice type specialist in sun and moon, besides sina, who i barely count? i hear kahili does the dance, but i want someone to do the ice and pyschic dance

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:40:03 No.34144797 Report

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>>34143643
>Make it resist Poison and Flying (Then make Poison Super Effective on Water to make Ice indirectly more viable)
>Fix Icicle Crash so it's not another "Has a chance to miss for no reason" move and gets distributed more
>Boost Def in Hail and have more abilities that mirror Rain/Sun/Sand Abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:51:33 No.34144930 Report

Quoted By: >>34146837

Typing
>resist Water and Flying
>Drop Water's resistance on it

Moves
>Freeze Dry buff to base 80
>Freeze status move that causes Freeze that's exclusive to Ice types

Pokemon
>make faster ice types

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:52:46 No.34144944 Report

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>>34144797
This too

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:54:06 No.34144962 Report

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Okay now fix this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:54:44 No.34144966 Report

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>>34143643
resists ground and water
Also poison is SE against water to
And bug is no longer resisted by fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:55:05 No.34144969 Report

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>>34143643
Resists Fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:55:23 No.34144974 Report

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>>34143643
>Hail boosts Ice-type defense by 50%
>Ice now resists Ground and Fairy
>Every Ice-type now learns Freeze Dry and Water-type moves
>Scald is Super Effective on them now for thematic reasons but also has its burn chance reduced to 10%
>more speedy Ice-types
Maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:57:13 No.34144995 Report

Quoted By: >>34145051

>>34143643
ice beam is now a 70 bp move
new replacement 90 bp move to replace it with more limited distribution. make it resist ground and fairy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 06:59:30 No.34145025 Report

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>>34144974
>scald SE on ice
We're trying to fix ice here, anon, even if it should make sense on a design standpoint

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:00:36 No.34145038 Report

Quoted By: >>34150245

>>34144962
+20 HP, +10 Defense. Sky Uppercut has 100% accuracy, and has the same effect as Smack Down.
Next.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:01:14 No.34145051 Report

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>>34144995
But muh ice beam, tbolt, flamethrower trio

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:24:17 No.34145270 Report

Quoted By: >>34145351 >>34148886

>>34143730
Because Dragons are weak to ice, and both Fairies and Dragons are mythical creatures

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:27:59 No.34145285 Report

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>>34143788
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:36:26 No.34145351 Report

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>>34143643
•Now resists Poison and Fairy (see >>34145270 )
•Hail lowers every other type's speed by 25% if weak to ice, 20% if neutral to ice, 10% if resistent to ice (in case of x4 and X1/4 efficiency the effect on speed is the same as supereffective and not very effective)
•some new good ice moves exclusive to Ice types and not Water types, buff Freeze Dry to 75 Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:37:16 No.34145358 Report

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>>34143643
Resists water and rock and gets 25-50% defense boost in hail. It should resist rock because water freezes inside rocks and destroys them, and glaciers carve mountains. Now it's good.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 07:41:14 No.34145381 Report

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>make an ice area that happens early in the game
>make faster ice types
>make it resistant to water, water not resistant to ice so the million water/ice types don't benefit
>ice types are immune to ice
>give it some resistances
>hail boosts defense
>make freeze more common

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 10:58:49 No.34146532 Report

Quoted By: >>34146724 >>34149699

>>34143643
Ice types now resist

Water
Grass
Fairy
Flying

lose their weakness to Rock

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:27:30 No.34146724 Report

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>>34146532
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:28:34 No.34146733 Report

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>>34146724
can you name something better lillie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:31:33 No.34146756 Report

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>>34146733
Just look at the first post in the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:37:33 No.34146802 Report

Quoted By: >>34146914

>>34143643
>Ice loses rock weakness
>Ice gains Fairy resistance
>Hail lowers the speed of all non-ice types one stage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:42:23 No.34146837 Report

Quoted By: >>34146870 >>34146889 >>34146914 >>34147884

>>34144930
>What's the Logic behind the water and flying resistance other than 'muh fixing'?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:45:40 No.34146870 Report

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>>34146837
Just like combustible fuels fire, wind and water fuel frost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:48:28 No.34146889 Report

Quoted By: >>34146906

>>34146837
There is no logic. If you don't know already this is the daily icefag whining thread where "Ice should resists Water and Flying" is a common damage control post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:53:03 No.34146906 Report

Quoted By: >>34146923 >>34146978

>>34146889
There is no logic about ice resisting the thing it's made of? Then please tell us about the logic of certain interactions such as Fairy resisting Bug and Steel resisting half the type chart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:56:17 No.34146914 Report

Quoted By: >>34146978

>>34146837
Ice is solidified water what are you trying to get at?

this one is good>>34146802

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 11:58:58 No.34146923 Report

Quoted By: >>34146978

>>34146906
Water is ice at a higher temperature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:02:31 No.34146941 Report

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>>34143643
No one cares about your shitty soyboy type. Go cry somewhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:08:31 No.34146971 Report

Quoted By: >>34150590

Make a new move exclusive to ice type.
STEALTH ICICLES

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:11:03 No.34146978 Report

Quoted By: >>34149657 >>34149751

>>34146923
>>34146914
>>34146906
Pressurized water can easily cut through Ice, so water should just be supereffective against Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:13:21 No.34146988 Report

Quoted By: >>34147266

I wish delibird sucked less. Or just viable in game. Could someone fix it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:57:47 No.34147266 Report

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>>34146988
New game will have a new region with a delibird regional form

New Deli:
Steel replaces flying
gets Furcoat and Hugepower with HA being heatproof

happy now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:00:16 No.34147287 Report

Quoted By: >>34147306

Aurora veil is automatically used when hail is in effect once per battle if the move is in a ice type's moveset

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:02:33 No.34147306 Report

Quoted By: >>34147363

>>34147287
also ICE type moves have +1 priority under hail now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:08:45 No.34147339 Report

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>50% defensive buff in hail
>Resists dragon, flying and fairy
>Steel loses it's resistance to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:10:18 No.34147353 Report

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>>34144797
>Nurfing poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:11:11 No.34147363 Report

Quoted By: >>34147379

>>34147306
Anon let's be reasonable. We don't want to make alola ninetales too perfect

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 13:12:43 No.34147379 Report

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>>34147363
>alola ninetales too perfect
What's so perfect about it outside Aurora Veil? being inferior to the base form?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 14:26:47 No.34147884 Report

Quoted By: >>34148358

>>34146837
>Ice resisting Water
Animals like Penguins swimming in cold water
>Ice resisting Flying
Have you tried throwing a bird at a Glacier before?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:11:49 No.34148358 Report

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>>34147884
>Animals like Penguins swimming in cold water
Cold water =/= ice
>Have you tried throwing a bird at a Glacier before?
By that 'logic' Ghost should resist/be immune to Rock, Flying, Steel, Water and Fire. At least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:12:59 No.34148370 Report

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>>34143643
"speed" and "movesets"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:13:51 No.34148376 Report

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>>34143657
This is the only idea here that is grounded in any sanity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:14:16 No.34148380 Report

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>>34143643
Give more Ice types access to Electric moves for coverage, barely any of them have any good ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:16:14 No.34148398 Report

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>>34143643
>inb4 some retard suggest giving one of the best offensive typings a shitton of resistances to common attacking types

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:23:25 No.34148455 Report

Quoted By: >>34152404

>>34143643
Discuss my very strange typechart

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:24:33 No.34148472 Report

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>>34143643
Since there are already too many water types, I'd retcon and turn a bunch of them into ice types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:25:51 No.34148490 Report

Quoted By: >>34148584

>Now resists Ground
>Now resists Fairy
>Now resists Flying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:34:46 No.34148584 Report

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>>34148490
It should resist water.
I'm not for a flying or a fairy esistance for different reasons.
It should resists ground and water and be super effective against Fairy, without resisting it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:37:54 No.34148613 Report

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>>34143643
Let ice resist flying.
>>34143657
Make it 25% or else ice types will be too dependent on Hail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:40:10 No.34148638 Report

Quoted By: >>34150083

>>34143643
Simple. Icebeam is no longer a tm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:52:40 No.34148848 Report

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>Give the already bulky ice typs access to Aurora Veil
>Give freeze higher than a 10% chance of occuring on the moves that can
>Make snow warning and slushrush abilities for a few older Ice types
>Allow for hail to lower the speed of non ice types
>Get rid of the rock weakness
>Give ice resistance to Water(but take away the water types resistance to ice), Grass and Fairy
>And stop trying to make bulky ice types with bad deffensive type combos

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:55:24 No.34148886 Report

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>>34143741
Fire resists Fairy because incense scares away fairies
>>34145270
Dragons are weak to Ice because they’re often reptilian, which are extremely weak in the cold. Makes no sense on Fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:56:10 No.34148898 Report

Quoted By: >>34148931

Change them all to better types. No one likes ice types. They all suck a fat one lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:57:01 No.34148907 Report

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>>34143643
All Ice-types are changed to Water-types. Dual Water/Ice-types just become Water-types. Ice remains as a type, but only has moves that represent it. All Water-types get STAB on Ice-type moves now and the new Water-types learn a few Water moves to boot. Poison is now SE against Water. Grass is no longer weak to Ice. Hail no longer affects Water-type mons.

Did I fix it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:57:18 No.34148912 Report

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What if they created an ability that woked like water bubble and had hail increas ice type moves power like rain?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 15:58:27 No.34148931 Report

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>>34148898
Obvously we all like Ice types which is why we want them fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 16:52:21 No.34149598 Report

Quoted By: >>34151412

>>34143741
Fire resists Fairy because Game Freak couldn't let their precious Charizard-X be weak to Fairy moves, could they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 16:55:00 No.34149637 Report

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>>34143788
Masuda is no longer in charge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 16:56:41 No.34149657 Report

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>>34146978
Agreed. Water should be super effective against Ice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 16:59:23 No.34149699 Report

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>>34146532
Ah there it is. The retards who thinks one of the best offensive types in the game should have more resistances without nerfs to its offensive power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:03:13 No.34149751 Report

Quoted By: >>34149812

>>34146978
Have you tried breaking down a glacier with pressurized water?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:08:03 No.34149812 Report

Quoted By: >>34149827 >>34149851

>>34149751
Both you and that anon are being retards. No Ice-type is as big as a glacier and most of them aren’t literally Ice. Both of you are using retarded comparisons to justify whatever adjustments you want to add.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:08:58 No.34149827 Report

Quoted By: >>34149993

>>34149812
AVALUGG

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:11:12 No.34149846 Report

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>>34143643
one thing is to rework freeze and make it way more widespread.

>Renamed to frostbite: all damaging moves used by the pokemon uses have a 1/3 recoil, combos with reckless

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:11:34 No.34149851 Report

Quoted By: >>34149993

>>34149812
You mean like no fire type is as hot as the sun's core? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:12:10 No.34149862 Report

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>>34143643
I want to earthquake them so bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:14:09 No.34149887 Report

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Ground resistance and hail giving them +50% def or spdef. Also hail shouldn't hit fire mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:24:14 No.34149993 Report

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>>34149827
Isn’t that big
>>34149851
>you need to be as hot as the sun to melt things/light them on fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:25:21 No.34150008 Report

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Resists ground, flying, water, fairy. Done. It's good now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:31:52 No.34150083 Report

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>>34148638
>this retarded opinion again
Someone should make a type chart bingo image desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:40:25 No.34150186 Report

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Like Poison types get a 100% accurate Toxic, Ice types should get an inherent boost on moves that cause freeze, doubling its proc rate.

Now, freeze is considered a RNG-heavy status and therefore looked down upon by the competitive community. How can we make it less RNG-heavy without nerfing it?

Simple: freeze now only lasts 2 turns, except it also lowers Def and SpDef one stage each if it was inflicted by an Ice type, otherwise it will last only one turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:43:09 No.34150213 Report

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>>34143643

No long exists. All ice type moves are now water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:44:11 No.34150227 Report

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>>34143730

Because Fairy is too good and Ice is too weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:45:25 No.34150245 Report

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>>34145038

Wrong. Sky Uppercut becomes SE on flying.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:47:59 No.34150279 Report

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>>34143730
Fairy is the "light" type (Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Light of Ruin, Moonlight, Twinkle Tackle are all light-based moves) and ice reflects light.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:50:09 No.34150299 Report

Quoted By: >>34150359

>>34143643
Make more fast offensive ice types
Make psychic immune to hail
make ice gain a flying resist
THATS IT! THATS ALL THERE NEEDS TO BE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:53:07 No.34150344 Report

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>>34143643
>no longer weak to Steel
>resists Ground and Fairy
>50% defense boost in Hail
>while Hail is up, resists Water

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Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 17:54:27 No.34150359 Report

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>>34150299
>Make psychic immune to hail

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 18:14:40 No.34150590 Report

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>>34146971

>not incognito icicles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 19:19:18 No.34151412 Report

Quoted By: >>34152325

>>34149598
It also resists bug instead of being weak to it because waifumon couldn't be quad weak to some needles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 19:30:44 No.34151584 Report

Quoted By: >>34152363

>>34143643
>Ice-types are now resistant to Water, Grass, Flying, and Ground-type attacks.
>Icicle Crash is now taught by a Move Tutor.
>A new Ability that acts like an Ice-type equivalent to Sand Force. There is also an Ice-type version of Volt Absorb.
>Ice-type attacks are now super effective against Fire-types, evening out both elements, like in most forms of pop culture.
>Regice now learns Recover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 20:19:42 No.34152325 Report

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>>34151412
Took me a second there to figure out who you were talking about, but you mean Pheromosa, correct?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 20:23:03 No.34152363 Report

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>>34151584
Please never try to balance anything in your life again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Nov 2017 20:26:25 No.34152404 Report

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>>34148455
I like it

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