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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 21:57:24 No.34306524 View View Reply Original Report

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So they replaced the best E4 member with this loser?

Yet Kahili, who once again has no bearing on the story or any role, still remains.

Awful Gamefreak decisions thread I guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 21:58:24 No.34306529 Report

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forgettable character No.3252313254 just like every shitgen

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 21:59:38 No.34306537 Report

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>>34306524

Molayne was a Trial Captain before he passed the job down to Sophocles

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:00:42 No.34306544 Report

Quoted By: >>34306586 >>34312069 >>34312099

>>34306524
>wanting them to reuse characters for the Elite 4
Imagine how much better the Kanto Elite 4 would be if it was
>Brock
>Misty
>Bug Catcherthat had the level 9 Weedle in Viridian Forest
>Lt. Surge
right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:01:30 No.34306551 Report

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>>34306524
>So they replaced the best E4 member with this loser?
What are you talking about? Accerola is still there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:02:57 No.34306566 Report

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>>34306524
>best E4 member
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:05:38 No.34306586 Report

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>>34306544
>>wanting them to reuse characters for the Elite 4
but technically making the steel guy E4 is still reusing a character

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:07:09 No.34306600 Report

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>>34306524
but the sexy women and the cute girl are still there.
nothing of value was lost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 22:10:39 No.34306639 Report

Quoted By: >>34307391 >>34307526

>>34306586
My bad, meant reusing a trainer you battled before.
Did you battle him before the Elite 4 in USUM?
I never liked that people criticized Elite 4 members before for not being seen before you get to the end game.
I liked that these "elite" trainers were brand new faces.
Battling a trainer I already beat before doesn't make them feel like a threat imo.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:23:34 No.34307332 Report

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is it really that big of an issue?
You're given an in-universe explanation and meta-wise, it's functionally the same thing as every other E4.
There's just two less new characters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:28:33 No.34307391 Report

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>>34306639
>Battling a trainer I already beat before doesn't make them feel like a threat imo.
This is exactly why I maintain that Blue is one of the worst Champions in the series. Nothing is more anti-climatic and unexciting then beating the same guy you already beat a hundred times through the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:31:25 No.34307416 Report

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>>34306524
I like him better than old Hala desu

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:37:50 No.34307499 Report

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The most offensive thing USUM did is basically shit all over the story of the original.

Necrozma has zero relevance to the plot of the game, to the point they literally made the Ultra Recon Squad specifically to be a primary source of Necrozma name dropping because there was no way to naturally include it in the main plot without introducing entirely new characters and shifting focus.

And then Necrozma, as cool as he is, serves only to remove any actual conclusion to the primary plotline if you haven't already played it in Sun/Moon. It just completely fucking drops the abusive mother aspect of Lusamine and instead tries to write off their plot with a more "heartwarming reunion" type conclusion, which doesn't fit at all.

Sun and Moons story was honestly one of its strongest parts, IMO because of how it dropped a lot of series standards and wasn't afraid to make story decisions that might upset people (like Lillie leaving). By contrast, USUM feels like, at best, a cheap fanservice-y rewrite, and at worst, something that completely misses half its own plot.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:40:44 No.34307526 Report

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>>34306639
i share the the exact opposite sentiment, i don't want my final showdown to become champion to be with literal whos that have that two lines of dialogues and that's it, sadly most of the E4 are like that and there are a lot of cool trainer designs wasted
Also rebattling someone like Hala was cool because you get to see his team in its non-"please be gentle it's my first time" mode

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:42:16 No.34307532 Report

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>>34306524
He should've replaced Acerola. I don't even think we're given an explanation why Hala wasn't E4 this time around.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:42:46 No.34307533 Report

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>>34306524
>not liking Big Mo
>2017

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:43:42 No.34307538 Report

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>>34307532
Unlike in SM, Hau beat Hala in a battle with him going all out so that probably swayed his decision.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:44:24 No.34307541 Report

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>>34307526
>i don't want my final showdown to become champion to be with literal whos that have that two lines of dialogues and that's it, sadly most of the E4 are like that and there are a lot of cool trainer designs wasted
I understand this sentiment, I also wish my favorite Elite 4 members (Lorelei, Karen, Will, Lucian, Wikstrom) had more to do outside of the Elite 4, but I wouldn't want them to be previous bosses/battles.
I think they did a good job with Acerola, ideally they would have the Elite 4 members do other stuff in the post-game or even an encounter or two main game, but not actually battle until it's time to face the Elite 4.
Reusing boss battles (gym leaders or even your rival) just seems lazy and uneventful to me.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Nov 2017 23:52:44 No.34307619 Report

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>>34307533
mo's a scrawny little fuckboy

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:03:34 No.34307743 Report

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>>34307541
>Reusing boss battles (gym leaders or even your rival) just seems lazy and uneventful to me

that's not a problem when the two battles are so far from each other like Hala (from first island to end game boss) but in general i just want to get to know the characters, like gen 5 did for the gym leaders for example

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:07:05 No.34307781 Report

Quoted By: >>34307998

>>34306524
Kahunas being the E4 was a dumb idea anyway since they are supposed to be the leaders of each island so how the hell can they handle that, doing grand trial battles, and fighting in The Pokémon league?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:27:32 No.34307998 Report

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>>34307781
Its already established in the game that after completing the island trial you had to fight all 4 Kahunas in a row to become the champion, it was basically the same as a Pokemon League already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:28:16 No.34308004 Report

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>>34306524
I was mono-fairy in my playthrough. He ripped my asshole open.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 00:30:07 No.34308030 Report

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>>34307499
This

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:40:27 No.34308705 Report

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>>34306524
There will probably be dlc/an event with kahili. Then again masuda is a lazy fuck and they might have put in the golf course for nothing.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:41:29 No.34308722 Report

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>>34307619
Was Mo a twink?

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:49:50 No.34308814 Report

Quoted By: >>34308857 >>34308903 >>34312177

>>34306524
>best E4 member

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:54:33 No.34308857 Report

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>>34308814
>metal sound bisharp
>screech magnezone

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:57:26 No.34308882 Report

Quoted By: >>34308914

Kind of a bitchy complaint, but why is one, and only one of the move tutors post game? Sure she teaches stronger moves overall but she was already the Poni island tutor, and Poni island is at the end of the game when all your pokemon star learning strong moves naturally. Part of my annoyance is that this is the drain punch tutor and I wanted to use that on my Kommo-o, but for god's sake they gave her dual chop, who is using dual chop in the post game?

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 01:59:30 No.34308903 Report

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>>34308814
This may be an out of date team roster for Hala, I know for a fact he has dragon claw on his Bewear in the first fight at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:00:33 No.34308914 Report

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>>34308882
*start

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:01:26 No.34308921 Report

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>>34306524
It's just to make the E4 more difficult to grind, specifically Klefki and Magnezone. Surprised they didn't replace Acerola with Nanu for some Sucker Punch shenanigans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:17:02 No.34309067 Report

Quoted By: >>34312126

Pretty glad they changed it desu. They should have replaced Acerole as well for someone else. So tired of seeing Ghost and Fighting type E4 members... Olivia and Kahili were new types and althought we do have Wikstrom last Gen he's even less memorable than Molayne and used only 4 mons, so finally someone to represent Steel a little better...

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:17:55 No.34309072 Report

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>>34306524
At least you can battle Hala again anyway

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 02:18:57 No.34309084 Report

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>>34307619

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 03:51:38 No.34309992 Report

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I haven't got to the Elite Four yet. What, does he replace Hala? That fucking sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:31:20 No.34312065 Report

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>>34306524
Masuda in general was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:32:26 No.34312069 Report

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>>34306544
>>Bug Catcherthat had the level 9 Weedle in Viridian Forest
that would be pretty hype honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:38:32 No.34312096 Report

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Mallow and Kiawe's trial. Mallows just sucks now and they lost the humour with Kiawe. Ultra Megalopolis is just huge wasted potential. There's STILL an empty building spot in the seafolk village and half of the ones are just photo studios. I do like the game but some of these decisions are just idiotic.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:38:38 No.34312099 Report

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>>34306544
>Bug Catcher From Viridian Forest in Elite Four
I'd be hype, to be honest

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:43:17 No.34312126 Report

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>>34309067
It’s a shame that the Kalos E4 had so little screentime, they had great designs. This also applies to the Gym Leaders

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:46:32 No.34312144 Report

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Seeing as how many games have entire Elite 4 with no bearing on the story or any role other than being in the Elite 4, Sun/Moon already stands out quite a bit.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:47:52 No.34312156 Report

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>i guess
either make this a shitty decisions thread or don't

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:48:27 No.34312160 Report

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>>34312069
>>34312099
>Youngster Joey ends up being an E4 member
>actually still has a low level Rattata
>the madman uses it for FEAR
Granted you could just switch out or use a Hyper Potion or whatever, but it would still be hilarious

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:50:26 No.34312177 Report

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>>34308814
>they were afraid babby wouldn't be able to defeat 4 trainers in a row with decent sets after the victory roadesque route with already decent trainers and teams
>they thought giving a primeape bullied by flabebe was a good idea worthy of an elite 4 even on the first challenge
Gross.
At least rematches almost always fix this kind of bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:56:28 No.34312218 Report

Quoted By: >>34312232

>>34306524
For me Kahili was the only one who ever felt like she belonged in the E4. She's a previous island challenge winner which means she's probably stronger than all the Kahunas, all of whom you've already beaten. From a in-universe perspective she felt like the most appropriate choice as one of the E4. Having Kahunas take the role just makes it feel like Kukui didn't bother looking around that much for suitable trainers.

Her having no presence in the story is indeed a flaw, but if you don't like that then you should be asking for her to have more presence rather than just removing her. I don't really mind having at least one member not being in the main story though, it's a lot more believable that there's some strong trainers out there you've never met rather than you just coincidentally having run into every single one of them on your way to the Pokemon League.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Nov 2017 09:59:21 No.34312232 Report

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>>34312218
The game goes on saying the island challenge ends with a E4 style battle with all four Kahunas. The first run of it should have been those four and any rematches after they should have been replaced with Kahili, Mohn and two others (maybe Plumeria for one) with the Kahunas all being added to the trainers that can challenge you as champion.

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