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>>34328082
They should make a testing tier that's just Lando-T-less OU to see if banning it would actually do anything positive

>>34328208
If you're asking what the OP image is from it's from Kamen Rider Stronger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:13:17 No.34328288 Report

Quoted By: >>34328660 >>34328695

>>34328216

Essentially put, it's too defining within the current meta to the point where any optimum team has to have a Lando, a Lando check, and a check to that check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:37:30 No.34328568 Report

Quoted By: >>34328695 >>34328733 >>34328801 >>34328810

>>34328216
Lando-T has 26.69763% usage in OU, The next highest is Koko with 17.54824%. Thats over 9% Higher. Again, why shouldn't it be banned?

(Source: http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-10/gen7ou-0.txt )

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:38:57 No.34328588 Report

Quoted By: >>34328642

>>34327476
Am I a coward for not knowing because I stay the fuck away from the metagame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:43:13 No.34328642 Report

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>>34328588
You're the bravest among us anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:44:30 No.34328660 Report

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>>34328288
That's the most reasonable argument I've heard for it. Something like the Gen 4 metagame with Garchomp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:47:21 No.34328695 Report

Quoted By: >>34328752 >>34328810

>>34328568
>>34328288
And primal groudon has 80-90% usage, you wanna talk about defining and required on every team, look at that shit, 26% is baby talk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:51:56 No.34328733 Report

Quoted By: >>34328787 >>34328810

>>34328568
Only 26%? though people were meming about it having 40%
Doesn't every tier have something with 20 to 30%?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:53:28 No.34328752 Report

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>>34328695
>80-90% usage
Primal Groudon only has 43.54975% and IS at #1, however, that's in UBERS, whereas Xerneas has 31.50266% usage. Granted, thats still a 12% difference, which is a lot, but that's UBERS, we're talking OU you dumbfuck.

(Source: http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-10/gen7ubers-0.txt )

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:54:29 No.34328762 Report

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>>34328235
THANK YOU GENIES

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:57:27 No.34328787 Report

Quoted By: >>34328809

>>34328733
Every tier OU and below does, but nothing as bad as a 9% usage difference. Some have 4-5%, but having 9% above fucking TopKek and being on every team is just absurd.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:58:27 No.34328801 Report

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>>34328568
>gen7ou-0

LUL

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 00:59:45 No.34328809 Report

Quoted By: >>34328885

>>34328787
...doesn't that means there's more variety than other tiers? Only one Pokemon hitting 25% means people are running a bunch of different teams instead of the same ones

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:00:07 No.34328810 Report

Quoted By: >>34328900

>>34328568
>>34328695
>>34328733
Not so fast....

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-10/gen7ou-1825.txt

49% usage at higher levels of play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:09:29 No.34328885 Report

Quoted By: >>34328920

>>34328809
You have to remember, there's also a fuckton of shitmons in the tier by people using them to embarrass people. The fact that 1/4 out of all OU players use Lando-T is just insane, especially when koko is only used far less than that.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:10:57 No.34328900 Report

Quoted By: >>34328949

>>34328810
I just picked the first level. This just proves the point further that he's overused as shit. Especially when Lando T is at 49.58530% and Magearna is ONLY 25.07537%, over 24% difference.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:13:11 No.34328920 Report

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>>34328885
Shitmons don't matter because usage is based on 1825 Elo and higher

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:16:14 No.34328949 Report

Quoted By: >>34328995

>>34328900
Primal Groudon should also probably be banned from Ubers: http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-10/gen7ubers-1760.txt

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:19:28 No.34328995 Report

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>>34328949
Now that I know about ELO and how to use those stats, agreed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 01:32:04 No.34329091 Report

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Lando-t is the ultimate casual filter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:05:15 No.34329405 Report

Quoted By: >>34329422

I think the best argument that can be made is this:

Lando-T is to OU what Fox is to Melee. It's too good at doing damn near anything that it becomes unviable to go without it. Knocking it up to Ubers would essentially be Fox in Project M: still good but not to the extent where it's overshadowing everything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:07:22 No.34329422 Report

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>>34329405
>Lando-t
>used in Ubers when pdon exists
Plenty of OU mon are viable in ubers, lando-t is an extremely suboptimal choice

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:21:24 No.34329521 Report

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I want to see at least a suspect on Lando T. It clearly isn't as bonkers as Naga or Phero are.

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:27:23 No.34329576 Report

Quoted By: >>34329596 >>34329609

>>34328275
you're asking for a suspect test

does anyone who talks about smogon meta actually know anything on this board lol

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:29:31 No.34329596 Report

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>>34329576
I sure don't but there's so many threads whining about Lando I thought they'd have done this already to shut people up about it at least

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Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 02:31:10 No.34329609 Report

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>>34329576
Very few, doesn't help the ones that do know the meta and want landorus-t banned when idiots falseflag or when people want it banned just because of usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Nov 2017 06:03:07 No.34331383 Report

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>>34328082
Long story short:
>Its high use rate is caused by it being useful in any one of a large number of roles.
>However, pokemon should be banned only when they become overpowered in one particular role.
>As Landorus-Therian is able to be effectively countered with little to no special investment by many otherwise meta teams, its high use rate does not directly merit a ban.
Long story short, Landorus's /oh so exclusive/ list of checks and counters include
>1) Any pokemon with an ice attack
>2) Any pokemon with a Water attack that isn't 2HKOed by EQ
>3) Any pokemon that's good against the role that that particular Landorus fills (Magic Bouncers for suicide leads, status inflictors for pivots, etc)
>4) If it manages to get a KO, basically any Special sweeper/revenge killer.

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