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Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:26:15 No.34364061 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34364116 >>34364135 >>34364324 >>34365152

>levitate on a grass type
>no mega or z move
>no coverage
>slow frail mixed attacker
>Offense doesn't go beyond 100
Just fuck my shit up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:29:25 No.34364087 Report

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don't think a mega or a z move would fix it so there's no point really, they should give it a BST buff first

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:31:24 No.34364104 Report

Quoted By: >>34364131 >>34364194

what if its ability made it immune to bug (maybe +1 attack)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:33:14 No.34364116 Report

Quoted By: >>34364131

>>34364061
Anything with base 100 offenses is very playable in game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:34:57 No.34364131 Report

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>>34364104
That still wouldn't save it considering bug coverage is pretty much non-existant bar u-turn.
>>34364116
Nice meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:35:37 No.34364135 Report

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>>34364061
lots of fully evolved pokemon are in need of buffs, lots of them would need a +100 bst buff just to be competitively useful without losing their item slot

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:40:08 No.34364169 Report

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idk if this is "just fuck my shit up" worthy but

> mixed attacker
> gets power up punch
> no poison jab

I wanted my set to be Stockpile/power up punch/poison jab/toxic but his only physical poison move is gunkshot, can't risk the accuracy imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:40:18 No.34364172 Report

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Grass/Dark
Give it an ability that makes it immune to Bug type moves and +1 to attack when hit by one.
Change its stats so it's a fast physical attacker with some decent defensive bulk to set it apart from the other Grass/Dark types.
There, fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:41:53 No.34364194 Report

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>>34364104
I actually like this idea, sort of like a lightning rod for bug moves, it could be called Honey Trap

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:48:08 No.34364249 Report

Quoted By: >>34364267 >>34364664 >>34365185

Carnivine mega
Grass fire ability: flash fire
HP 74
Attack 150 + 50
Defense 92 + 20
Sp.attack 120 + 30
Sp.defense 92+ 20
Speed 26 - 20
Gains flamethrower/fire blast/heatwave/flare blitz/flame charge via tm and tutor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:50:54 No.34364267 Report

Quoted By: >>34364345

>>34364249
"no"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:57:18 No.34364324 Report

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>>34364061
Needs an evolution that makes it Grass/Dark and gives it an immunity to Bug moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Dec 2017 23:59:49 No.34364345 Report

Quoted By: >>34364577

>>34364267
"Why" this would save it from obscurity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:23:11 No.34364577 Report

Quoted By: >>34364604

>>34364345
It makes no thematic sense and its still too frail, especially for how slow it is, flash fire isn't impressive and there's too much risk for little reward
it's less useful than darmanitan basically

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:24:37 No.34364604 Report

Quoted By: >>34364748

>>34364577
let me correct myself, darmanitan is decent
it's about as useful as Flareon without guts or an item, but with an actual movepool and much slower

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:29:08 No.34364664 Report

Quoted By: >>34364785

>>34364249
M-Carnivine
Grass/Poison
HP 74 + 400
ATK 150 + 200
DEFENSE + 100
SP ATK 120 + 200
SP DEF 92 + 200
SPEED 26 + 1
Even with these buffs Carnivine is still PU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:36:26 No.34364748 Report

Quoted By: >>34364845

>>34364604
>trick room
>allows you to switch into predicted fire moves.
>stays true to the stat distribution in keeping it slow and mixed
I bet you think every mon needs to be a fast physical attacker to be reliant. There are few mega that gain a theme out of nowhere like lopunny, alteria, and fucking ampharos gaining dragon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:39:11 No.34364785 Report

Quoted By: >>34364862

>>34364664
>400hp
>100/200 defenses
>pu
You are retarded or using bad b8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:44:07 No.34364845 Report

Quoted By: >>34365023

>>34364748
except it doesn't learn trick room, so it falls to the "it's good in trick room" meme, alolan Marowak is more useful on trick room

>Trick room
>Switch into fire type moves
how are these two related? there aren't any relevant trick room pokemon weak to fire, you have to mega evolve before you can take the attacks, and its really predictable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 00:45:45 No.34364862 Report

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>>34364785
Whoosh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:01:52 No.34365023 Report

Quoted By: >>34365073

>>34364845
>what is doubles trick room
>how are these two related? there aren't any relevant trick room pokemon weak to fire, you have to mega evolve before you can take the attacks, and its really predictable
>Steelix/scizor/tyranitar
Having flash fire would make the opponent think twice before spamming heatwave.
252+ Atk Carnivine Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 219-258 (73.7 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is without even getting the flash fire boost. Standard zard y doesn't even run air slash either, but since you are critiquing so much let's see what idea you have to make it relivant.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:05:56 No.34365064 Report

Quoted By: >>34365073

GameFreak can obviously get information on what Pokemon are total garbage. There's no reason not to try and give lousy final stages/solo stages a BST or ability buff every gen to make them decent. Not everything needs to be amazing, but some Pokemon are severely outclassed in every area by nonlegendaries.

They have been buffing stats/typings in the past 3 gens, which is good, but it could use a wider hand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:07:04 No.34365073 Report

Quoted By: >>34365094

>>34365023
It needs at least a +20 bst buff, but a +50 is much more preferable before even thinking of making a mega for it unless you want to go the uninspired 'give it huge power' route

>Steelix/scizor/tyranitar
>tyranitar

>>34365064
this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:09:18 No.34365094 Report

Quoted By: >>34365106

>>34365073
>tyranitar
>grass fire

252+ Atk Carnivine Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 440-522 (129 - 153%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:11:55 No.34365106 Report

Quoted By: >>34365164

>>34365094
you missed the point, what is weak to fire on a trick room team running this mega carnivine? and why would you run it over alolan marowak? who hits harder, is bulkier and has a much better offensive type combination as well as deterring discharge spam?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:18:26 No.34365152 Report

Quoted By: >>34365165 >>34365170

>>34364061
>New signature ability that inflicts double damage to Bug-type Pokémon
Is it good now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:19:48 No.34365164 Report

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>>34365106
It comes down to diversity, if you like A-marowak better than use it. This mega would be "faster" than marowak in TR and severely cripples it with knock off 252+ Atk Carnivine Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Marowak-Alola: 238-282 (73.4 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
My mistake for misreading your post but steelix/scizor and ferrothorn are good lures for fire in TR.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:19:49 No.34365165 Report

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>>34365152
That's just Stealth Rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:20:18 No.34365170 Report

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>>34365152
give it an ability like magnet pull, trapping bug types as well as making it immune/halving damage from bug type moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:22:20 No.34365185 Report

Quoted By: >>34365191 >>34366401

>>34364249
why is the bug catcher plant suddenly a fire type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:23:12 No.34365191 Report

Quoted By: >>34365200 >>34365229 >>34365253

>>34365185
Why is ampharos suddenly a dragon type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:24:11 No.34365200 Report

Quoted By: >>34365219 >>34365229

>>34365191
draconic blood

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:25:51 No.34365219 Report

Quoted By: >>34365229

>>34365200
Nice meme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:27:09 No.34365229 Report

Quoted By: >>34365303 >>34366478

>>34365191
>>34365200
to be more serious
1. The Japanese name means "electric dragon".
2. Dragons are gentle creatures in Asian mythology, like sheep.
3. Sheep are known for their wool, which kinda looks like clouds. Asian dragons are associated with clouds.
4. It has a fairly long and slender body with a kind of "mane" and fluffy tail, common traits of the Chinese dragon.

>>34365219
That's the excuse in USUM
Ampharos(Mega): Massive amounts of energy intensely stimulated Ampharos's cells, apparently awakening its long-sleeping dragon's blood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:28:30 No.34365253 Report

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>>34365191
why is ampharos suddenly whatever the fuck ampharos is and not a sheep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:32:36 No.34365303 Report

Quoted By: >>34365350

>>34365229
if there was a competition for mental gymnastics you would take the gold medal. Gf could just as easily make up some shit equally as ridiculous to justify fire on carnivine.
>Due to exposure to mega evolution carnivine suddenly awoke it's inner fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:36:29 No.34365350 Report

Quoted By: >>34365427

>>34365303
>mental gymnastics
I copy pasted that from... gamefaqs I think, it only took a couple seconds
still though, a pokemon without a real end goal in terms of design and turning it into a dragon and a plant who's whole theme is being a carnivorous plant doing a 180 by turning it into a fire type with flash fire isn't really comparable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:36:50 No.34365352 Report

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Combining some ideas here
Grass/Dark cross-gen evo

HP: 74
Atk: 130
Def: 72
SpA: 90
SpD: 72
Spe: 111
BST: 549

Ability: Immune to Bug Moves and +1 Attack. I like the idea.

Movepool additions: Gunk Shot, Superpower

Movepool is still pretty bad but it has enough to work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:44:18 No.34365427 Report

Quoted By: >>34365449

>>34365350
>still though, a pokemon without a real end goal in terms of design and turning it into a dragon and a plant who's whole theme is being a carnivorous plant doing a 180 by turning it into a fire type with flash fire isn't really comparable
>gf was just pretending all along XD
They pulled a bunch of shit put of their ass to justify dragon on ampharos they con do the same with carnivine, and who said it still wouldn't have a bug catching theme? If anything they could make some more bullshit up about it hunting durant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:47:18 No.34365449 Report

Quoted By: >>34365476

>>34365427
ampharos by itself shits on the mareep line, the fact that its mega shits on it even more isn't surprising
>hunts durant
durant lives underground and already has a predator in Heatmor, don't tell me you forgot poor old heatmor already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:50:14 No.34365476 Report

Quoted By: >>34365511

>>34365449
>ampharos by itself shits on the mareep line, the fact that its mega shits on it even more isn't surprising
I agree.
>durant lives underground and already has a predator in Heatmor, don't tell me you forgot poor old heatmor already?
In nature animals have more than one predator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:53:40 No.34365511 Report

Quoted By: >>34365535

>>34365476
Carnivine lives in marshes, durant lives underground in mountains

a marsh is probably one of the worst places durant could set up a colony

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:56:34 No.34365535 Report

Quoted By: >>34365544

>>34365511
>Sheep are known for their wool, which kinda looks like clouds. Asian dragons are associated with clouds.
Doesn't matter when shit like this is what you are working with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 01:58:07 No.34365544 Report

Quoted By: >>34365582

>>34365535
dude, I made a pathetic attempt to defend a pokemon I don't give a shit about, I copied that shit from gamefaqs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 02:01:24 No.34365582 Report

Quoted By: >>34366393

>>34365544
What's your point? When the bar is set this low anything is a possibility. Why are you even arguing about this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 03:40:51 No.34366393 Report

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>>34365582
The point is that you should make a bullshit reasoning (preferably with 4 points) as to why carnivine should be fire type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 03:43:10 No.34366401 Report

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>>34365185
To kill the bugs that it eats. Obviously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Dec 2017 03:53:45 No.34366478 Report

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>>34365229
>1. The Japanese name means "electric dragon".
This is the only reason. The whole reason it was given Dragon as a type was because of the silly pun. You trying to connect sheep with dragons is reaching at incredible lengths.

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