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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:48:49 No.34479118 View View Reply Original Report

CARROTDOG IS NOW OU VIABLE

HATERS BTFO

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usum-ou-ultra-viability-ranking-thread.3621329/page-9#post-7617710

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:49:33 No.34479119 Report

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Now people actually do have to apologize

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:49:37 No.34479123 Report

Quoted By: >>34479142

>>34479118
>C-

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:50:26 No.34479128 Report

Quoted By: >>34479142

>C-
It's still a PU shitmon, just like Qwilfish.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:52:08 No.34479138 Report

Quoted By: >>34479146 >>34479168 >>34479169

>Porygon-Z caught on early in the generation, but fell off very hard and now is not even remotely common, let alone good. It being unranked was only a matter of time and now is the time.

F

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:52:25 No.34479140 Report

Quoted By: >>34479146

PORYGON-ZFAGS BTFO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:52:44 No.34479142 Report

Quoted By: >>34479199 >>34479478

>>34479123
>>34479128
>It won't be viable in OU!!!
>becomes viable in OU
>h-ha it's o-only C- y-you l-l-lose

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:53:23 No.34479145 Report

Quoted By: >>34479154 >>34479156

>>34479118
>mantine
>quilfish
What

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:53:46 No.34479146 Report

Quoted By: >>34479235

>>34479138
>>34479140
Porygon-Z was never good. It was just people adjusting to Z moves and getting caught by basic bitch shit like Z-Hyper Beam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:54:25 No.34479149 Report

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>>34479118
Tough claws is one hell of a drug

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:55:05 No.34479153 Report

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>>34479118
Only Carrotdog's first step before he inevitably rises to become A+ goodness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:55:05 No.34479154 Report

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>>34479145
>mantine
Bulky defogger
>quilfish
Swift Swim with Sword's Dance and Explosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:55:28 No.34479156 Report

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>>34479145

>Qwilfish was discussed at length in Little Lucario's post, but basically it compliments the core of Rain teams well by absorbing Toxic Spikes and being able to Explode or weaken normal Water checks.

>Mantine saw a lot of usage as a convenient defensive Defog user to check Greninja and Keldeo in the past, but now is much less effective with Keldeo and regular Greninja dropping in usage. Overall, it still has utility, but it does not have the same niche it previously did.

Tl;dr Qwilfish fits well on rain teams, Mantine dropped since Keldeo and Protean Greninja aren't used as much anymore

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:56:21 No.34479161 Report

Quoted By: >>34479175

>Y-Zard C+
>X-Zard B+

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:58:36 No.34479168 Report

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>>34479138
It was his turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:58:40 No.34479169 Report

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>>34479138
Figured it was gonna happen. Pory-Z is a UU mon that was put into OU because of how fucking good Z-Conversion was early on. It's still okay but people expect it because it's basically the only Pory-Z set people run.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 15:59:34 No.34479171 Report

Quoted By: >>34479184 >>34479751

>>34479118
>Kommo-o failed to get ranked despite improving its movepool and having its own Z-move banned in all tiers but OU
lol.

>Carrot Dog & Qwilfish barely managed to get ranked.
Enjoy the stay boyz, 'cause once the rankings get updated again you'll all leave with little to no fanfare

>Bravest Bird has left OU
Farewell my birb, your influence in Gen 6 will never be forgotten.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:00:10 No.34479175 Report

Quoted By: >>34479183 >>34479188 >>34479193 >>34480092

>>34479161
>blacephalon A-
Literally how? Its too slow and frail for the amount of power it has

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:01:05 No.34479181 Report

Quoted By: >>34479187

>>34479118
>Qwilfish

Is there some kind of meta development I've missed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:01:17 No.34479183 Report

Quoted By: >>34479192

>>34479175
This post is just another example of why /vp/ shouldn't try to discuss competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:01:43 No.34479184 Report

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>>34479171
You wish. Lycanroc-Dusk will rise to B+ at the very least. Soon, you will get fucked up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:02:34 No.34479187 Report

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>>34479181
No.
It was literally just an unexplored rain team mon, and access to Explosion has some use now thanks to Toxapex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:02:36 No.34479188 Report

Quoted By: >>34479525

>>34479175

>107
>slow

lel

And I'm pretty sure Scarf is the most popular Blace set anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:03:19 No.34479192 Report

Quoted By: >>34479196 >>34479222 >>34479849

>>34479183
It only has 109 speed and has no defense to back it up. There are too many pokemon that can outspeed and one shot it

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:03:33 No.34479193 Report

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>>34479175
>Slow

It's faster than Garchomp, M-Medicham and Mega Pinsir. Also, if your team lacks ghost resist or Toxapex you're pretty much dead

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:03:49 No.34479195 Report

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>>34479118
>no garchomp drops
damn i was looking forward to the shitposting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:03:49 No.34479196 Report

Quoted By: >>34479221 >>34479525

>>34479192
>only 109 speed
Please stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:04:39 No.34479199 Report

Quoted By: >>34479202 >>34479398

>>34479142
I mean, it's one sub rank away from being black listed, that's actually somewhat tenuous. Even just C i'd say apologise. in fairness, only defensive threats tend to be able to show up in higher tiers despite being a lower one. So it's probably a UU mon at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:05:31 No.34479202 Report

Quoted By: >>34479244

>>34479199
It's not gonna be blacklisted since it's gonna rise further up anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:06:18 No.34479206 Report

Quoted By: >>34479217

>Kartana and Zygarde becoming even better
Wew

Also, where's Stakky right now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:08:12 No.34479217 Report

Quoted By: >>34479241

>>34479206

Stakataka is in B-

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:09:01 No.34479221 Report

Quoted By: >>34479225

>>34479196
Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:09:10 No.34479222 Report

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>>34479192
107, which is great for a wallbreaker. It does get forced to use scarf because it's frailty means it does risk revenge kills from a lot of shit, but the raw sp.atk and coverage of ghost/fire stab makes it terrifying if you've worn down it's checks.

rip from aqua jet and sucker punch tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:10:02 No.34479225 Report

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>>34479221
Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:11:01 No.34479235 Report

Quoted By: >>34479240 >>34479253 >>34480095

>>34479146
Literally no one used Z Hyper Beam. PZ was used for Z Conversion memes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:12:25 No.34479240 Report

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>>34479235
Z Hyper Beam was the set that was being used as an argument for it to stay in C-

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:12:26 No.34479241 Report

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>>34479217
Damn, I hope he rises.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:13:19 No.34479244 Report

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>>34479202
not while it has a bad matchup against lando, zygarde and every single tapu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:14:58 No.34479253 Report

Quoted By: >>34480095

>>34479235
Z Conversion stopped being good like 1 week into SM meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:19:26 No.34479271 Report

Quoted By: >>34479341 >>34480152

>>34479118
So what moveset do you run

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:26:06 No.34479293 Report

Quoted By: >>34479302 >>34479309

>>34479118
Kartana is running Knock Off more often than Smart Strike?
Steel-type Leaf Blade fucking when??

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:27:55 No.34479302 Report

Quoted By: >>34479659 >>34479831

>>34479293
It's amlost like steel is a pointless bad attacking type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:28:33 No.34479309 Report

Quoted By: >>34479334

>>34479293

Dark is a better offensive type than Steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:33:29 No.34479330 Report

Quoted By: >>34479338

>>34479118
>talonflame goes from high a in gen 6 to ur in gen 7, probably gonna drop to uu in 8
rip in peace birdspam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:34:12 No.34479334 Report

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>>34479309
Also, removing leftovers from a switch in is great utility

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:34:53 No.34479338 Report

Quoted By: >>34479400

>>34479330

Talonflame already did drop from OU, it's BL2 (banned from RU).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:35:57 No.34479341 Report

Quoted By: >>34479408 >>34480152

>>34479271
I've never used it, but my understanding is that DuskDoggo's niche is tough claws accelerock with an 4 attack life orb set (too frail for swords dance, too weak to give up life orb).Not sure why the ranking thread guy even brought up Lycanium, I don't think anybody uses it.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:38:49 No.34479359 Report

Quoted By: >>34479401

Where are all of the BL mons currently? Are most of them unranked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:47:57 No.34479398 Report

Quoted By: >>34479479

>>34479199
Blacklisted and Unranked mean two different things, you know

If furfags shit up the thread talking up their favorite doggo then it becomes blacklisted. If it turns out that it's actually shit then it becomes UR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:48:50 No.34479400 Report

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>>34479338
tumbling down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:49:01 No.34479401 Report

Quoted By: >>34479446 >>34479455 >>34479504 >>34480324 >>34480378 >>34482119

>>34479359
Alakazam
>C
Breloom
>UR
Buzzwole
>UR
Conkeldurr
>UR
Diggersby
>UR
Mega Gallade
>C
Mega Gardevoir
>UR
Gyarados
>B+
Mega Gyarados
>B+
Mega Heracross
>B-
Hoopa Unbound
>A-
Mega Houndoom
>UR
Jirachi
>B-
Mega Latias
>B+
Porygon-Z
>UR
Salamence
>C
Scolipede
>C-
Staraptor
>UR
Mega Slowbro
>C
Thundurus
>C+
Thundurus Therian
>C
Tornadus Therian
>B-
Weavile
>B+
Xurkitree
>UR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:51:47 No.34479407 Report

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What's Mantines deal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:51:57 No.34479408 Report

Quoted By: >>34479423 >>34480152

>>34479341
Is a suicide lead with sash, endeavour, SR and accelerock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:54:12 No.34479423 Report

Quoted By: >>34479588

>>34479408
That can't be it because
a)Suicide leads are terrible
b)Day Doggo can do the exact same thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 16:58:26 No.34479446 Report

Quoted By: >>34480361

>>34479401
>not even drain punch could save buzzwole

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:00:16 No.34479455 Report

Quoted By: >>34479534 >>34479588

>>34479401
>Hoopa-U is A- in viability
>Still BL because no one uses it
ha
Are there any other BL pokemon like this? Where they're actually pretty good in the tier, it's just that no one uses them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:04:47 No.34479478 Report

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>>34479142
C- is mons that have a really obscure niche and need immense support. Not sure if I'd call if viable

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:04:50 No.34479479 Report

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>>34479398
>>34479398
blacklisted mons are mons that are basically d-rank or unranked that are basically unviable in the tier but people persistently try to argue for it to the point it halts all other discussion on the thread. doggo is only barely considered viable, in a sub ranking where there are 0 ou mons. Heck, barely anything in c-rank as a whole is actually OU, with the roster starting to kick off at C+. The doggo is basically not gonna be OU and it's matchups are the top threats are really bad, being hopeless against ash-ninja, zygarde and lando, and generally getting btfo by the tapus. the majority of the top tiers also give it a hard time in general, tanking coverage and the ohkoing unless you're heatran.

doggo is bunk, ride the staka train to glory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:07:50 No.34479493 Report

Quoted By: >>34480475

>>34479118
>talonflame is no longer OU
how far have the mighty fallen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:10:10 No.34479504 Report

Quoted By: >>34479523

>>34479401
>Thundy-T that low
Fuck off really? niggas pick hp ice over HP flying and then complaining their wall breaker don't work

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:12:37 No.34479523 Report

Quoted By: >>34479627

>>34479504
blame koko

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:12:42 No.34479525 Report

Quoted By: >>34479550

>>34479188
>>34479196

110 is the benchmark for "fast" in Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:14:07 No.34479534 Report

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>>34479455
Weavile comes to mind. It's an objectively good mon for the role it plays (revenge killer) yet it's not used enough to be OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:16:10 No.34479550 Report

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>>34479525
For a sweeper. Blacephalon is a wallbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:21:16 No.34479588 Report

Quoted By: >>34482501

>>34479423
I haven't seen it doing any other thing, I guess that it's "better" than Excadrill as suicide lead beacuse it can almost kill or kill Landorus that is a big problem for HO teams.
>>34479455
Both Gyarados are good, Z Gyarados beat balance easily because it can use sustitute and set up in from of Celesteela, Spdef Toxapex dies with +1 z bounce the same for Bulu and Tangrowth and also can set up in from of defensive Lando. Rotom and Skarmory are the only defensive answers to Gyarados.
Mega Gyarados just destroys stall, also, it's happy now that Fini isn't that used now and beats Rotom but it has less favorable match ups against defensive mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:22:05 No.34479598 Report

Quoted By: >>34479629

>>34479118
Who fucking cares about a ground/dragon? We have enough of them to pass around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:25:00 No.34479627 Report

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>>34479523
>Thund-t flies so it can't even be run in tandem with Koko for extra power

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:25:05 No.34479629 Report

Quoted By: >>34479675

>>34479598

Garchomp is unviable in any format where Lando-T is available, Flygon is Flygon, and Zygarde-Complete is Ubers, so that leaves Zygarde 50% as the most viable Dragon/Ground type

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:25:58 No.34479639 Report

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>>34479118
I never seen anyone use lycarrot but what does it do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:28:42 No.34479659 Report

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>>34479302
Not in the age of Fairies.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:30:11 No.34479672 Report

Quoted By: >>34481691

it won't last but seeing based qwilfish get ranked is beautiful

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:30:43 No.34479675 Report

Quoted By: >>34479701

>>34479629
So? Easily beat. Then again, the best Pokemon ever is beat by a tiny pig, so what can I say?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:34:26 No.34479701 Report

Quoted By: >>34479794

>>34479675

Zygarde has the best offensive move in the game (Thousand Arrows)

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:41:18 No.34479751 Report

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>>34479171
>mfw I bred a bunch of 6IV fletchlings to fill my pokedex
>mfw they nerfed Gale Wings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:47:59 No.34479794 Report

Quoted By: >>34479900

>>34479701
Best? That is a strong word. It doesn't have over 100 base power, and all it can do is make opponents feel gravity. The thing can't even survive an ice beam...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:56:05 No.34479831 Report

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>>34479302
its almost like its main steel stab is basically hidden power steel in terms of usefulness

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:57:56 No.34479843 Report

Quoted By: >>34479965

>>34479118
I think people really need to apologize to Kartana.
>lol Magby used Ember!
>lol low base power moves!
>lol grass/steel offensive typing
>lol BL forever!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 17:59:14 No.34479849 Report

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>>34479192
>There are too many pokemon that can outspeed and one shot it
name 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:08:16 No.34479900 Report

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>>34479794
It has no immunities and its two resists (bug and grass) are shitty types that more often than not are paired with a secondary type such as steel that makes them neutral instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:19:03 No.34479965 Report

Quoted By: >>34479992

>>34479843
I never saw Kartana as a joke. It surprised me that it wasn't considered worthy of being banned to Ubers around early S/M.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:22:46 No.34479992 Report

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>>34479965
Pheromosa was the pressing issue, and Kartana's three major flaws (frail on the special side, weak stabs, awkward speed tier just shy of the golden 110) kept it in check.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:23:20 No.34479996 Report

Quoted By: >>34480002 >>34480008

Which of these scenarios is more likely? Toxapex getting suspected or DW Necro being tested in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:24:09 No.34480002 Report

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>>34479996
toxapex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:24:43 No.34480008 Report

Quoted By: >>34480049

>>34479996
Toxapex will be suspected first, and Necrozma will be brought down a little later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:33:28 No.34480049 Report

Quoted By: >>34480443

>>34480008
You'll be seeing Solgaleo in OU before you see DW Necrozma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:38:09 No.34480072 Report

Quoted By: >>34480077 >>34480080

>>34479118
how the fuck carrotdog is viable in ou ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:39:13 No.34480077 Report

Quoted By: >>34480110

>>34480072

It can break through CelePex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:39:17 No.34480080 Report

Quoted By: >>34480110

>>34480072
its only purpose is to die turn 2 by endeavoring lando-t

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:41:11 No.34480092 Report

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>>34479175
>slow
it's literally a more powerful and faster version of chandelure, scarf excluded

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:41:26 No.34480095 Report

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>>34479235
>>34479253
Porygon is still pretty good with a conversion set in mono.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:43:12 No.34480110 Report

Quoted By: >>34480229

>>34480077
>>34480080
>Lycanrock-Dusk has now been in the tier for a while and with the Z-Move for it as well as the offensive tools it has, Lycanroc-Dusk has seen decent usage. It is not particularly good, but it is viable.

who is better for a OU standard team, Carrotdog, Araquanid or Shuckle ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:48:58 No.34480152 Report

Quoted By: >>34480206

>>34479271
>>34479341
>>34479408
See the actual post that got it ranked.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usum-ou-ultra-viability-ranking-thread.3621329/page-5#post-7607061

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:54:20 No.34480206 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480152
Huh, so I was half right. Its niche is life orb tough claws accelerock, but it needs swords dance to pull it off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 18:59:25 No.34480229 Report

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>>34480110
Araquanid is really good in webs offense, it isn't pasive as other SW users, can tank hits being a good Heatran/rain check and almost nothing take a mistyc water boosted Liquidation well, even Toxapex/defensive Celesteela can lose to it if gets a defense drop. The problem is its speed but other good point for Araquanid is that it can set SW many times in a battle without relly in the focus sash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:03:44 No.34480268 Report

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>>34479118
>Talonflame
>C- --> UR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOVkYAxHvkk

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:09:07 No.34480293 Report

Quoted By: >>34480312 >>34480319 >>34480345

>>34479118
>Quilfish

What the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:11:56 No.34480312 Report

Quoted By: >>34480323 >>34480324

>>34480293
Quilfish has always been good, really. It was even Ubers viable in Gens 4 and 5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:13:24 No.34480319 Report

Quoted By: >>34480329

>>34480293
It's the only swift swim pokemon that can fuck other swift swimmers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:14:28 No.34480323 Report

Quoted By: >>34480330 >>34480331 >>34480332 >>34480337 >>34480345 >>34480581

>>34480312
Why use it over Toxapex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:14:39 No.34480324 Report

Quoted By: >>34480374

>>34480312
Back when rain was everywhere. As long as rain teams are good, which they are right now, Qwilfish will always be somewhat viable.
I wish those UU faggots would stop banning Drizzle. Look at this shit>>34479401 those faggots are out of their minds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:15:31 No.34480329 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480319
>Mega Swampert used Earthquake!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:15:41 No.34480330 Report

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>>34480323
(you)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:15:48 No.34480331 Report

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>>34480323
You don't use it over toxapex.
You use for other things. Swords Dance Explosion, Absorbing T-Spikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:15:52 No.34480332 Report

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>>34480323
to kill rain checks, its not meant to be used like pex, its used because swift swim + swords dance + explosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:16:32 No.34480337 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480323
Why use anything over Toxapex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:17:49 No.34480345 Report

Quoted By: >>34480365

>>34480293
>>34480323
Can't you fuckers read?
>Qwilfish was discussed at length in Little Lucario's post, but basically it compliments the core of Rain teams well by absorbing Toxic Spikes and being able to Explode or weaken normal Water checks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:18:33 No.34480350 Report

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>>34480305

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:20:15 No.34480361 Report

Quoted By: >>34480394

>>34479446
It's Ubers viable, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:20:39 No.34480365 Report

Quoted By: >>34480399

>>34480345
I read it. Toxapex also absorb Toxic Spikes and why the hell would you sacrifice something when you can just switch out and recover HP thanks to Regenerator instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:21:43 No.34480374 Report

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>>34480324
Even without Rain it's always had something going for it between that typing, spikes and later intimidate. Usage wise it isn't consistent due to always having specific niches but I don't think it's never dropped below "viable in UU".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:21:56 No.34480378 Report

Quoted By: >>34480384 >>34481538

>>34479401
That's a big ban list.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:22:43 No.34480384 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480378
for UU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:24:08 No.34480394 Report

Quoted By: >>34480436

>>34480361
>The Pokemon in the Ubers sub-ranks are fully ordered by viability, rather than alphabetical order
>Buzzwole is more viable than Mewtwo
Holy shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:25:11 No.34480399 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480365

Toxapex can't kill anything, Qwilfish can

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:28:36 No.34480436 Report

Quoted By: >>34480450

>>34480394
>Shuckle is more viable than Dialga, Mega Blaziken and Landorus-T

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:29:12 No.34480443 Report

Quoted By: >>34480456

>>34480049
DW is c+ in ubers. Its probably staying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:30:33 No.34480450 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480436
Sticky webs and Mega Blaziken is a huge opportunity cost with the effect of preventing you from using Mega Gengar/Salamence/Lucario/Mewtwo Y.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:31:27 No.34480456 Report

Quoted By: >>34480466 >>34480473 >>34480488

>>34480443
>Gothitelle is a in ubers. Its probably staying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:32:44 No.34480466 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480456
Shadow tag is banned in OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:33:35 No.34480473 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480456
It's also a PU shitmon, its amazing what a little game of tag can do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:33:46 No.34480475 Report

Quoted By:

>>34479493
You should see Slowbro. The poor thing dropped all the way to NU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:36:04 No.34480488 Report

Quoted By: >>34480519 >>34480615

>>34480456
Meanwhile Gardeshit will be rotting in BL forever. Get fucked waifufags. Get fucked.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:40:46 No.34480519 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480488
>Implying Gothitelle isn't my waifu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:50:05 No.34480581 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480323
People like to have a challenge. That is all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:55:58 No.34480615 Report

Quoted By:

>>34480488
>implying waifufags give a shit about competitive viability

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 19:56:40 No.34480620 Report

Quoted By: >>34481204

>>34479118
>Kommo-o didn't even get ranked
*breathes in*
AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 20:59:14 No.34481136 Report

Quoted By:

>Game Freak's special shill mon which you can only get by doing X is OU

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:05:39 No.34481204 Report

Quoted By: >>34481430 >>34482447

>>34480620
this is for those idiots that still claims that Z-moves are better than Megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:33:11 No.34481430 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481204
>Kommo-o's Z-move was so powerful it got banned in UU
>Most Megas are UU or under

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:37:18 No.34481467 Report

Quoted By:

>>34479118
Literally only confirms that you can convince Smogon that grass is blue and the sky is green if you put an essay in their face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:37:26 No.34481468 Report

Quoted By: >>34481495

>>34479118
Carrotdog is NOT OU viable. Gary was so impressed with that one user that actually defended Carrotdog's potential niche in OU to the death beyond what was expected from other users, and so gave Carrotdog a rating.

C- is shit. Don't think it's viable. It's just a step above unranked, and soon enough that piece of shit will drop down to PU where it will be B in viability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:40:43 No.34481495 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481468
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:46:13 No.34481538 Report

Quoted By: >>34481555 >>34481668 >>34481674 >>34481839 >>34482600 >>34482659

>>34480378
Yes, it is. Makes you wonder whether the current tiering system is appropriate anymore.

Instead of having a massive banlist, the standards for lower tiers should be raised so that the stuff on banlist can actually compete in the tiers they were originally banned from.

Ubers - Everything that was banned from OU that is viable

EU (Exceptionally Used) - Everything banned from OU that is not viable in Ubers + top stuff from OU

OU - Current slate

UU - Everything in BL + S and A-rank mons in UU

RU - B and C-rank mons in UU + Everything in BL2 + S- and A-rank mons in RU

NU - B- and C-rank mons in RU + Everything in BL3 + S- and A-rank mons in NU

PU (Pathetically Used) - B- and C-rank mons in NU + Everything in BL4 + S- and A-rank mons in PU

FU (Feebly Used) - B- and C-rank mons in PU + Everything in BL5 (if it exists) + All other garbage

And potentially more tiers than that if needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:48:20 No.34481555 Report

Quoted By: >>34481565 >>34481789

>>34481538
The problem is that BL consists of basically only sweepers/wallbreakers/whatever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:49:56 No.34481565 Report

Quoted By: >>34481601 >>34481650 >>34481669

>>34481555
So it's better for those Pokemon to be in competitive purgatory than to allow them a chance in an actual tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 21:56:32 No.34481601 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481565
use those pokemon in an actual tier then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:02:40 No.34481650 Report

Quoted By: >>34482119

>>34481565
Most of BL is plenty viable in OU actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:04:58 No.34481665 Report

Quoted By: >>34481671 >>34481673

Reminder that a PU shitmon is A ranked in Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:05:57 No.34481668 Report

Quoted By: >>34482119

>>34481538
I feel as if EU would be filled with Landorus, Blaziken, and migrants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:06:29 No.34481669 Report

Quoted By: >>34482119

>>34481565
What's preventing you from using any of them in OU?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:06:44 No.34481671 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481665

That's because it's gen 5's equivelent of Blazekin except its the ability itself that is busted overall and so the ability that makes it worth using is banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:06:46 No.34481673 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481665
If shadow tag wasn't banned in the lower tiers Gothitelle wouldn't be PU to start with

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:07:05 No.34481674 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481538
There isn't enough shitmons in ubers for a fully fledged tier and you'd just wind up with OU.
UU's banning philosophy is retarded yes but its largely the same case there too. All in all kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:09:53 No.34481691 Report

Quoted By:

>>34479672
Honestly, seeing Qwilfish rise again in usage is nice to see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:24:33 No.34481789 Report

Quoted By: >>34481801

>>34481555
Blame UU councils ass-backwards way of bans and suspecting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:26:31 No.34481801 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481789
Something about power-creep? Ba Humbug!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:28:01 No.34481813 Report

Quoted By:

Seeing Diancie go from "best Mega in the game" to just a good one is both sad and funny. I still love the hell out of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:31:15 No.34481828 Report

Quoted By:

PZ is about a month away from swinging back around to ok again due to how unprepared people are getting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:33:21 No.34481839 Report

Quoted By: >>34482119

>>34481538
There isn't even enough interest to sustain stuff like RU right now. We are at a point where there are now more midlevel mons than people care to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:44:25 No.34481919 Report

Quoted By: >>34481930 >>34481931

What happened to veil for a-ninetales to get JUSTed so hard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:46:21 No.34481930 Report

Quoted By: >>34481935

>>34481919
It’s veil that is good, not the actual mon itself. Plus there’s more defoggers running around now to remove veil

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:46:25 No.34481931 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481919
new toy syndrome

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:47:23 No.34481935 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481930

That and the recent discovery that veil doesn't actually stack with reflect/light screen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:49:37 No.34481946 Report

Quoted By: >>34481956 >>34481986 >>34481988 >>34482028

Make Genesect OU. Easily beat by heatran of all things, has almost no sustain asides from leftovers, and hits with mediocre strength.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:51:30 No.34481956 Report

Quoted By: >>34481982

>>34481946
I love Gene in OU as much as the next guy but no need to lie like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:54:13 No.34481982 Report

Quoted By: >>34481994

>>34481956
It fucking 2HKOs Greninja. Note that I am using a standard set supplied by the calculator.
188 SpA Choice Specs Genesect Techno Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 234-276 (82.1 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:54:29 No.34481986 Report

Quoted By: >>34481998

>>34481946
>easily beat by heatran
Water Techno Blast. Your move noob

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:55:01 No.34481988 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481946
>hits with mediocre strength.

>What is Download

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:55:52 No.34481994 Report

Quoted By: >>34482016

>>34481982
>techno blast
what is u-turn
+1 0- Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 326-386 (114.3 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:56:21 No.34481998 Report

Quoted By: >>34482037 >>34482041 >>34482055 >>34482100 >>34482499

>>34481986
Neutral damage. Note that steel resists water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 22:59:34 No.34482016 Report

Quoted By: >>34482032

>>34481994
By order of speed, this happens first.
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 318-375 (106 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:01:26 No.34482028 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34481946
>and hits with mediocre strength
Never used gene in OU huh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:01:30 No.34482032 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34482016
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 238-282 (79.3 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:02:01 No.34482037 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34481998
steel doesn't resist water actually, heatran's just that tanky

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:02:20 No.34482041 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34481998
No it doesn't

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:02:33 No.34482046 Report

Quoted By: >>34482121 >>34482134 >>34482192

>>34479118
>The majority of top-tier OU is legendaries, mythical legendaries, pseudo-legendaries, Ultra beast legendaries, and mega evolution Pokes that usually have legendary-tier stats
Jesus Christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:03:21 No.34482055 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34481998
>steel resists water.
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:09:35 No.34482100 Report

Quoted By: >>34482103

>>34481998
>Steel resist water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:10:30 No.34482103 Report

Quoted By: >>34482125

>>34482028
Never got to.
>>34482032
I give you second chance, you do same.
>>34482037
>>34482041
>>34482055
>>34482100
I'll admit I fucked up there.

Onto main business.
0 SpA Toxapex Scald vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 55-66 (18.3 - 22%) -- possible 5HKO, but this happens as well: +1 188 SpA Genesect Techno Blast vs. 252 HP / 64 SpD Toxapex: 62-73 (20.3 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO. Never added stat boost...
Complain all you want that Garchomp is worthless. 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Fire Fang vs. 68 HP / 0 Def Genesect: 385-458 (128.3 - 152.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You'd have to crit against this to win: 252+ SpA Celesteela Fire Blast vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 480-568 (160 - 189.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 276-328 (92 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
Happy now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:13:25 No.34482119 Report

Quoted By: >>34482536

>>34481668
That's the point. Make a tier so that stuff banned from OU that are shit in Ubers can still have a chance of shining.

>>34481669
You can use them in OU, but they are so unviable that there is little to no point.

BL Pokemon are hardly any better in OU than UU and etc. Pokemon. While you can use a Pokemon in a higher tier than the one it is assigned to, it gives you a significant disadvantage in the long run.

>>34481650
See >>34479401

>>34481839
Unfortunately that is the way things go when you divide Pokemon into tiers. There is limited interest in the stuff on the bottom.

It's just like major league and minor league sports. Fewer people care about minor league.

But there should be still be some sort of solution for the Pokemon that are banned from lower tiers yet are garbage in the next highest tier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:13:43 No.34482121 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482046
It's been the case since gen 6 at least

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:13:47 No.34482122 Report

Quoted By: >>34482385 >>34482934

>garchomp finally successfully powercreeped

is it finally over?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:14:10 No.34482125 Report

Quoted By: >>34482128

>>34482103
Greninja needs to secure a kill to get the ash boost, which is why I'm more confused by the calc using ashninja instead of base greninja

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:14:53 No.34482128 Report

Quoted By: >>34482177 >>34482179

>>34482125
You are going to put Genesect on the field first thing? Bold play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:15:14 No.34482134 Report

Quoted By: >>34482192

>>34482046
And then there's a toilet bird of all things along the lines, too.
This gen's OU is a fucking joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:20:51 No.34482177 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482128
It's a great lead. Really solid play. Especially considering scarf gene is the bread and butter gene for OU.
>Come in
>attack boost and/or unfavorable matchup? U turn and chunk it
>Else kill with ice beam/flamethrower/tbolt/flash cannon/bug buzz/whatever you are running coverage wise

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:21:02 No.34482179 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482128
No, I'd send out something based on what the other guy has
if he has a greninja, Id probably send out ferrothorn or something similar because I'd be an idiot to send out something like lando-t

basically
You're going to give greninja a free kill? Bold play

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:23:20 No.34482192 Report

Quoted By: >>34482197

>>34482046
>>34482134
>GF introduces Z-moves, so all Pokemon have a chance to be viable, and because they're lazy and don't want to go through introducing new stat changes, mega evolutions, or new evolutions
>All it does is just make the more already powerful top-tier Pokemon stronger, because they have access to these Z-moves, too.
GF doesn't know how to balance the game well at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:24:06 No.34482197 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482192
Hey Z-Moves made Gyarados worth using again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Dec 2017 23:50:41 No.34482385 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482122

Its been over for Chomp once Lando-T arrived. Zygarde was just insult to injury for Garchomp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:00:38 No.34482447 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481204
They are. For nonshitmons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:05:43 No.34482499 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481998
Steel not resisting Water is just one of the few reasons Water is so great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:05:47 No.34482501 Report

Quoted By: >>34482726

>>34479588
gyarados is kind of interesting. Are there any other pokemon where both the mega and normal forms are equally viable, yet can perform different roles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:10:51 No.34482536 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482119
There is plenty of interest in the bottom with NU. It is the middle shitness that is RU that no one gives a fuck about. I bet more people use RU mons in ranbats than in RU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:18:52 No.34482600 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481538
>it's another "were muh Ubers-Lite" rerun
fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:27:06 No.34482659 Report

Quoted By:

>>34481538
How about a "Tailored" tier where you pick your own rules and banlist and you can only battle against someone who is compatible with your rules. If you're too specific and refuse to battle against teams that may counter you, you won't find a match, and if you play a team that everyone hates to play against, then no one will battle you either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:35:50 No.34482726 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482501
Base Tyranitar can perfom a lot of roles but usualy is not a set up sweeper while Mega Tyranitar is usually a set up sweeper in webs/veil (mainly) but it also has a support set. But since Tyranitar is good even without the Mega stone base Tyranitar is ranked higher than Mega Tyranitar because it doesn't take your mega slot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 18 Dec 2017 00:59:23 No.34482934 Report

Quoted By:

>>34482122
good

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