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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:40:11 No.34514631 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34514635 >>34514706 >>34515267

im bored lets make the starters more viable
rules:
>pretend mega evolutions dont exist
>600 bst
>change moves/stats/abilities etc. in an attempt to make the pokemon viable for ou or uu
>ignore blaziken its already in ubers lol
>ignore greninja its already ou

my attempt is below

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:40:45 No.34514635 Report

Quoted By: >>34514639 >>34514671 >>34514678 >>34514690 >>34514748 >>34514860 >>34514931 >>34515024 >>34515241 >>34515442

>>34514631
+stealth rock
+earth power
+energy ball
+snarl
+dark pulse
+flash cannon(?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:41:32 No.34514639 Report

Quoted By: >>34514669

>>34514635
Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:44:45 No.34514669 Report

Quoted By: >>34514696

>>34514639
why do you ask

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:45:11 No.34514671 Report

Quoted By: >>34514695

oh hey its another 'lets make stupid shit' thread

>>34514635
I see we're off to a good start, literally mega charizard y but better

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:45:48 No.34514678 Report

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>>34514635
Please kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:47:31 No.34514690 Report

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>>34514635
>80 in everything except the 2 stats i'd use for my minmax epic smogon team XDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:47:59 No.34514695 Report

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>>34514678
please explain why i should

>>34514671
i said no megas sooooo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:48:02 No.34514696 Report

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>>34514669
That's clearly broken even by Uber standards. You give it enough speed to outspeed most Pokémon AND enough Special Attack to one-shot everything thanks to Drought? Did you even think about this?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:49:18 No.34514706 Report

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>>34514631
>>600 bst

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:50:12 No.34514712 Report

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>>34514696
okay back to flash fire then.
>send out greninja
>water shuriken
jesus its literally unbeatable!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:51:49 No.34514733 Report

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>>34514696
Seriously. Ninetales fire blast in the sun is dangerous enough and that's base 81.

Troll thread/10. Has to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:52:42 No.34514742 Report

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>>34514695
>i said no megas sooooo
megas don't matter when you make blatantly broken shit, all typhlosion needed was earth power, it doesn't need these retarded stats or drought

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:53:24 No.34514748 Report

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>>34514635
Why are Typhlosionfags so fucking stupid? Does liking a fire-type starter mean you have brain damage or something?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 22:55:24 No.34514764 Report

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>>34514712
Pic related dies to Earthquake, so I guess it's shit, right? That's not how it works.
Geninja literally doesn't matter when you can outspeed it and OHKO it with instantly charged Solar Beams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:00:12 No.34514803 Report

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>>34514712
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Typhlosion in Sun: 108-132 (35.8 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
hmmmmmmmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:05:22 No.34514829 Report

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>>34514803
i said get rid of drought ???
252+ SpA Choice Specs Greninja Water Shuriken (15 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Typhlosion: 252-306 (84.8 - 103%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:08:20 No.34514851 Report

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>>34514829
Doesn't matter, you gave it greater speed and 150 Sp.Attack Energy Ball. This thing is Mega Rayquaza level of bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:09:18 No.34514860 Report

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>>34514635
this is a bulkier, faster and stronger fire type naganadel

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:12:09 No.34514889 Report

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>>34514851
ur the one keeping the thread alive

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:14:50 No.34514913 Report

Quoted By: >>34514929

Give it Shell Smash maybe.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:16:27 No.34514929 Report

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>>34514913
no this thread is cancelled op is retarded

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:16:51 No.34514931 Report

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>>34514635

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:27:42 No.34515024 Report

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>>34514635

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:33:12 No.34515066 Report

Quoted By: >>34515081 >>34515096 >>34515103 >>34515370

Ok let's move on

Meganium

>Old
>Hp: 80
>Atk: 82
>Def: 100
>SpA: 83
>SpD: 100
>Spe: 80

New
Hp: 120
>Atk: 100
>Def: 130
>SpA: 80
>SpD: 100
>Spe: 60

>New HA: Aroma veil
>New moves: Rage Powder, Solar Blade, Stealth Rock

Not sure how good it would really be but could potentially be a tangrowth rival though the lack of regenerator would hurt it.

I think Aromatic veil is a nice ability for it thematically and would allow it to set up screens and make use of synthesis and rage Powder without fear of taunt. The combination of Rage Powder and Aroma Veil would allow an allied Charizard Y to set up tailwind against non rock slide leads and it gets heal pulse to support a sweep.

Finally I decided to lower the speed and increase physical attack over special as Meganium gets some alright physical moves like Petal Blizzard, EQ and Dragon Tail.

600 BST is hard. I don't think Meganium needs more stats as much as it needs better typing and ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:36:13 No.34515081 Report

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>>34515066
Oh I meant to delete Stealth Rock. Didn't feel right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:37:27 No.34515096 Report

Quoted By: >>34515132

>>34515066
Man I never knew so many of the starters had such abysmal attacking stats. Is this power creep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:38:35 No.34515103 Report

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>>34515066
no let this thread die

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:40:09 No.34515110 Report

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Torterra
Ability: Fur coat clone
hp: 95
atk: 109
def: 105
spA: 75
spD: 85 > 105
spe: 56 > 61

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:41:35 No.34515124 Report

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Literally just give Delphox Protean, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Moonblast and more.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:43:24 No.34515132 Report

Quoted By: >>34515150

>>34515096
They're not great.

Gen 2 has some of the worst stat distributions, if not THE worst, in the series history. So many cool designs with unusable stats, even for the general power levels of the time.

Pic fucking strongly related

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Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:46:57 No.34515150 Report

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>>34515132
Also some pokemon I never knew had such dumb stats. This motherfucker has 80 in everything. The very definition of mediocre.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:48:45 No.34515166 Report

Quoted By: >>34515175

Here's a Typhlosion that isn't blatant bait like OP's

>Typhlosion
Type: Fire
Ability: Heat Haze (Magic Guard and +1 evasion on switch-in)

+20 HP
+20 Defense
+13 Sp.Atk
+13 Speed

+Earth Power
+Energy Ball
+Morning Sun (egg move)

what tier would it be in

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:49:59 No.34515175 Report

Quoted By: >>34515201

>>34515166
>what tier would it be in

banned you gave it an ability that raises evaision lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:54:08 No.34515201 Report

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>>34515175
nice :-)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:56:00 No.34515210 Report

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Let me save you a thread.

>Shell Smash
>Huge Power
>Stealth Rock
>Spore
>+200 BST
>-entire SPA stat +entire ATK stat or vice versa
>+50 SPE
>Random legendary signature move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Dec 2017 23:59:36 No.34515236 Report

Quoted By: >>34515282

>Feraligatr
The exact same but with a new move:

Snagglechomp
Water-type
50 BP, 100% ACC
+1 priority and traps an opponent on a successful hit

What tier, friends?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:00:35 No.34515241 Report

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>>34514635

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:03:41 No.34515259 Report

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>>34515241
That might make it to NU

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:04:27 No.34515267 Report

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>>34514631
flash fire is now gale wings but for fire moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:04:30 No.34515268 Report

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>>34515241
>Torrent
Fucking shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:04:58 No.34515273 Report

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>>34515259
empoleon is already UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:05:38 No.34515280 Report

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>>34515267
>stealth rock
>outsped by +4 ninjask
PU at best sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:05:56 No.34515282 Report

Quoted By: >>34515304 >>34515323

>>34515236
OU, that's a really good move. Consider that it forces a switch and then traps said switchin so you can switch in whatever you so desire without the threat of a double switch. You occasionally see infestation toxapex for this reason, but this would do that far better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:07:07 No.34515290 Report

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>>34515267
>1 HP
completely walled by anything with sturdy/focus sash and a single super effective attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:07:59 No.34515299 Report

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>>34515267
>dratini used extremespeed!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:08:50 No.34515304 Report

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>>34515282
It doesn’t have the stats to be OU desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:10:07 No.34515312 Report

Quoted By: >>34515346 >>34515380

Can we make this thread into a more generalized 'make shitmons better' thread? I don't want to shit up /vp/ more than it already is.
Nu-Ledian
Bug/Flying
Nu-ability: Pure Power
HP: 55 - 85
Atk: 35 -> 50
Def: 50 -> 80
SpA: 55
SpD: 110
Spe: 85

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:11:08 No.34515323 Report

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>>34515282
It'd be UU at best, very comparable to azumarill

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:14:15 No.34515346 Report

Quoted By: >>34515353

>>34515312
That ledian is worse in every way to scyther... as usual
ledian cannot be saved as a bug/flying type desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:15:08 No.34515353 Report

Quoted By: >>34515584

>>34515346
What if he's bug/fighting, like an inferior heracross?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:15:14 No.34515354 Report

Quoted By: >>34515368

>Infernape
Type: Fire / Fighting
Ability: Regenerator

+20 Speed
+12 in every other stat

+Wild Charge

life orb, close combat, flare blitz, wild charge, u-turn; where would it belong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:16:40 No.34515368 Report

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>>34515354
BL or OU, it's already A ranked in UU

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Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:16:59 No.34515370 Report

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>>34515066
One more.

Sceptile

Old
>Hp: 70
>Atk: 85
>Def: 65
>SpA: 105
>SpD: 85
>Spe: 120

New
>Hp: 70
>Atk: 125
>Def: 85
>SpA: 100
>SpD: 85
>Spe: 135

>New HA: Suction Cups or Harvest
>New Moves: Growth, Forests Curse

Chose not to lower it's special attack stat by much and gave it growth for the option to go mixed in the sun.

Z-Forests curse is +1 to all stats for a bulkier, though weaker, mixed alternative. It's also the forest Pokémon so, themes.

Hidden ability I struggled with, I went for suction cups because geckos, and Sceptile traditionally had success as a sub seeder, which this would be great for. It may have too many boosting options for this to be balanced but it's also mono grass, so...

The alternative was Harvest which would compliment it's sun sets nicely and also support subseeding.

Finally, I gave it enough speed for some of the new threats like Naganadel but I didn't see the need to go any higher as Sceptile needs the stats elsewhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:18:19 No.34515380 Report

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>>34515312
Thank god someone said it, I've done two starters now and I'm sick of them and trying to balance something with 600 BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:24:18 No.34515419 Report

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>Mega Blastoise
Type: Water / Steel
Ability: Cannon Force (Mega Launcher that also affects "cannon" and "pump" moves)

+General Bulk, -- Speed
~Withdraw now gives +1 to Defense and Accuracy

welcome to siege mode, where does it belong

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Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:27:39 No.34515442 Report

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>>34514635
Sure here's my Samurott then.
Honor Bound is a shadow tag clone that works on ghosts and it gets shell smash now as well as thunderbolt and earthquake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:30:23 No.34515460 Report

Quoted By: >>34515470

>>34515442
Don't forget to give it V-Create and Geomancy while you're at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:32:37 No.34515467 Report

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>>34515442
>not water / fighting
>sp. atk the higher stat
>thunderbolt because ???
>random shadow tag clone
meh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:32:45 No.34515470 Report

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>>34515460
Why stop there? Give it Sketch as well, I’m sure that’s completely fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:32:53 No.34515473 Report

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>>34515442
Honor Bound should have no effect on Dark types. They don't care for honor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:38:25 No.34515505 Report

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>Sceptile
Type: Grass / Dark
Ability: Predator (Sniper + Adaptability)
Switch Sp.Atk with Atk

yeehaw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Dec 2017 00:48:19 No.34515584 Report

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>>34515353
make it Bug / Fairy, then it can be a slower, more defensive Ribombee

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