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Anonymous Sun 24 Dec 2017 23:03:05 No.34539224 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34539629 >>34540265 >>34540462 >>34540554

>machamp has 4,and i repeat ladies and gents,4 FUCKING ARMS
>doesn't get drainpunch
>but fucking Togekiss does
>MFW

You had 1 job you fucking retards at gamefreak hq

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 00:11:01 No.34539602 Report

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It happens

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 00:15:50 No.34539629 Report

Quoted By: >>34539638 >>34540245 >>34540265 >>34540285 >>34540301 >>34542874

>>34539224
>can fire 1,000 punches in 2 seconds
>no mach punch

>mastered all forms of martial arts
>no mach punch, no drain punch

>Superpower pokemon
>doesn't learn the move until the gen after the move debuts
>rival learns it by level up

>only member of the 4 original trade evos that did not receive a significant buff

>given a website, prominent pokken promo, was prominent in SM demo and was even a pokeride in Gen 7
>even has an ad with the japanese wrestler and had a give away
>on the same day he got cucked out of No Guard Fissure
>USUM comes around
>STILL NO relevant competitive buff

Being a Machampfag is suffering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 00:17:56 No.34539638 Report

Quoted By: >>34540265

>>34539629

It's even being a machampfag or such,but seriously..it doesn't make any fucking sense! Why the hell a fucking flying egg with clearly no fucking hands can learn drain punch,while machamp has 4 and can't even tutor it?? LIKE..WTF GAMEFREAK Y U SO DAMN FKN STUPID DOE

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:17:49 No.34540245 Report

Quoted By: >>34540286 >>34542751

>>34539629
Machamp is a dominant force in Pokemon Go, for what it's worth.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:21:07 No.34540265 Report

Quoted By: >>34540286

>>34539224
>>34539629
>>34539638

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:24:40 No.34540285 Report

Quoted By: >>34540310

>>34539629
no guard fissure is fucking retarded of course they wouldn't allow it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:24:54 No.34540286 Report

Quoted By: >>34540406 >>34540684 >>34542391 >>34542909

>>34540245
>Machamp is a dominant force in Pokemon Go
from what I hear/read, Machamp has fallen out of favor in Pokemon GO AND in Shuffle. Literally no point anymore

>>34540265
Conkeldurr is my 2nd favorite pokemon. This photo does nothing but amuse me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:27:46 No.34540301 Report

Quoted By: >>34544215

>>34539629
at least it gets shilled
imagine your favourite being fucking walrein. the only time i see it brought up is when people complain about the battle tree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:29:37 No.34540310 Report

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>>34540285
in a gen with
>Sturdy
>dominant Flying types
>Levitate
>Focus Sash
>Disguise
>fast Fairy types

This isn't as broken as it would have been 4 generations ago. Everytime counterargues me with putting Scarf on Machamp or that Machamp can carry Stone Edge against flying types or Dynamic Punch for Rock or Steel Sturdy mons then conveniently forget their own set-up that Machamp would be locked to those move with a Scarf and therefore would not be able to use Fissure without switching out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:53:28 No.34540406 Report

Quoted By: >>34542241 >>34542260 >>34542387

>>34540286
Machamp was the fighting type king in GO and only recently got a rival in Hariyama. They're pretty similar but perform better in slightly different roles. This is unlikely to change until Gen 5 and he'll get a ton of usage once the Regis are released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:55:12 No.34540415 Report

Quoted By: >>34540431 >>34540449 >>34540745 >>34541149 >>34541228 >>34541249 >>34543176 >>34544309

Here's a list of the weirdest fucking learned moves I've come across after scouring the dexes

Emboar: scald
Golurk: fly
Elgyem/Beeheeyem: steel wing (?????)
Rampardos (with its 65 base SpAtk...): tbolt, ice beam, flamethrower, blizzard, fire blast, thunder, earth power, whirlpool
Tangela: shock wave
Mega Charizard X: dream eater :^)
Natu: giga drain
Arcanine (Gen 1): teleport (!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?)
Wooper: dynamicpunch
Wailord: selfdestruct
Pangoro: dragon claw
Rhydon/Aggron: surf
Gliscor: sky uppercut
Magcargo/Clamperl evos/Mr. Mime: infestation
Heatran: bug bite
Tauros: whirlpool
Meowth: petal dance (easily the weirdest event move I've ever seen)
Marowak/Diglett: aerial ace

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 02:58:11 No.34540431 Report

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>>34540415

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 03:00:49 No.34540449 Report

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>>34540415
>Elgyem/Beeheeyem: steel wing (?????)
TM 51 lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 03:02:29 No.34540462 Report

Quoted By: >>34540484

>>34539224
Making it more similar to Conkeldurr isn't going to help at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 03:09:43 No.34540484 Report

Quoted By: >>34540491

>>34540462
Drain Punch helps practically anything, but you're right Champ's better off running big hitting fighting moves like dynamic punch & cross chop on no guard, and close combat with a guts set. But drain punch wouldn't hurt on a guts set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 03:11:33 No.34540491 Report

Quoted By: >>34540700

>>34540484
even Guts set is done better by Conkeldurr. Machamp needs a new niche plain and simple or at least significantly improve his only niche left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 03:30:28 No.34540554 Report

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>>34539224
How the fuck can people like a fucking grey human with four arms? Holy shit what's wrong with you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 04:05:03 No.34540684 Report

Quoted By: >>34542144 >>34542238 >>34542387

>>34540286
>Machamp has fallen out of favor in Pokemon GO
You heard wrong. He's still the king of Fighting-types, and with the abundance of Chansey, Blissey, Snorlax, Lapras, and now Slaking, he's one of the best Pokemon to have around. Hariyama is a decent alternative, but Machamp still wins out in pure power (and in raid battles, damage is hugely favored over survivability).
The only one who might top him is Conkeldurr, but he's not coming around for a few years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 04:08:07 No.34540700 Report

Quoted By: >>34540720 >>34542529

>>34540491
Machamp is better competitively than Conkeldurr because Machamp is viable in UU and Conk is stuck in BL hell :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 04:12:33 No.34540720 Report

Quoted By: >>34542529

>>34540700
>Machamp is viable in UU
last I heard, Machamp was in RU. Admittedly, that was half a year ago, just when Conkeldurr got banned from UU. How true is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 04:19:02 No.34540745 Report

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>>34540415
>Wailord: selfdestruct
Methane explosion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 05:53:42 No.34541149 Report

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>>34540415
At least some of these have reasonable answers.
>Golurk: fly
It's based on a giant mecha, which typically end up flying in some fashion.
>Elgyem/Beeheeyem: steel wing
The TM for Steel Wing was originally Ally Switch or some psychic status move in Gen 4. It seems they simply forgot to remove it from their move lists when they changed the TM.
>Marowak/Diglett: aerial ace
Though I can't justify Diglett, Aerial Ace is based on a famous/mythical Japanese sword technique which is its Japanese name "Tsubame Gaeshi". I guess just imagine a club works like a sword.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 06:10:54 No.34541228 Report

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>>34540415
Slowpoke's line can learn flamethrower and fire blast.

The number of weird ass pokemon that can learn Surf are staggering.

The only bug type pokemon that can learn fly are not part flying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 06:14:37 No.34541249 Report

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>>34540415
Gen 1 normal type mon's movepools

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 10:56:35 No.34542144 Report

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>>34540684
Cool, if that's the case, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 11:34:52 No.34542238 Report

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>>34540684
Hariyama is primarily used for defending gyms with its massive HP. The Champ's stats are more balanced and allows him to be used for raids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 11:36:18 No.34542241 Report

Quoted By: >>34542260

>>34540406
Go is so weird
its like more HP the better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 11:46:43 No.34542260 Report

Quoted By: >>34542378

>>34540406
>>34542241
Is it true Breloom has higher damage? Why in thr everloving fuck would they do that? They both have 130 base attack in the main games. I hate that mushroom getting all this asspull so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 12:38:58 No.34542378 Report

Quoted By: >>34542387

>>34542260
Breloom has higher damage than both Machamp and Hariyama, but since it isn't turn-based his glass-cannon nature comes back to bite him. You're better off with Machamp and Hariyama because Breloom really does not survive long enough to justify his slightly higher damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 12:42:11 No.34542387 Report

Quoted By: >>34542389

>>34540406
>>34540684
>>34542378
How do you imagine Conkeldurr will play out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 12:42:52 No.34542389 Report

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>>34542387
A flat out better Machamp assuming it gets the same fighting moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 12:44:02 No.34542391 Report

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>>34540286
>likes both Machamp and Conkeldurr
Huh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 13:51:06 No.34542529 Report

Quoted By: >>34542668

>>34540700
>>34540720
It's not, it's a strictly worse Heracross.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:39:24 No.34542668 Report

Quoted By: >>34542680

>>34542529
>muh heracross
Not all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:41:29 No.34542680 Report

Quoted By: >>34542688 >>34542812

>>34542668
Name ONE case when Guts Machamp is superior to Guts Heracross in the UU metamerism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:43:37 No.34542688 Report

Quoted By: >>34542714

>>34542680
Higher damage output. Plain and simple

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:48:48 No.34542710 Report

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>bellossom can learn drain punch
I've actually lost a huge streak in some post-game shit where you could only use 1 pokemon. I think it was in HG/SS or something; I had Tyranitar.
Fucking gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:49:42 No.34542714 Report

Quoted By: >>34542718

>>34542688
252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 211-249 (50.2 - 59.2%)
252 Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 216-255 (51.4 - 60.7%)

252+ Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 231-273 (55 - 65%)
252+ Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 237-280 (56.4 - 66.6%)

Literally an 1% difference, kys machampfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:50:50 No.34542718 Report

Quoted By: >>34542737

>>34542714
That doesn't make my point wrong at all.

Come and do it yourself, heracrossfag :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:54:15 No.34542737 Report

Quoted By: >>34542755

>>34542718
>An 1% higher damage output is a reason to use a significantly slower Pokemon without access to Swords Dance
Machampfags are absolutely embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:57:32 No.34542751 Report

Quoted By: >>34542767

>>34540245
That's not worth shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 14:58:59 No.34542755 Report

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>>34542737
>neutral as opposed to resisted SR damage
>less health and less physical bulk

I never claimed Machamp is better than Heracross. I just said Heracross doesn't always outclass Machamp in every aspect the way Conkeldurr does. Which is true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:00:54 No.34542767 Report

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>>34542751
For (You), maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:06:34 No.34542786 Report

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Hypno still cannot learn Dream Eater by level up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:11:39 No.34542812 Report

Quoted By: >>34542849 >>34544279

>>34542680
Or maybe anon meant in other formats?
Machamp sees higher peaking ranks in metas like the VGC
Or other metas?
Machamp was OU in DPPt whereas Heracross was BL
And why stick to just Guts?
Machamp has No Guard

That's how I understood it anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:18:03 No.34542849 Report

Quoted By: >>34542858

>>34542812
>VGC
Sure

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:20:17 No.34542858 Report

Quoted By: >>34542970 >>34545123

>>34542849
Dunno about the latest one but here you go

Machamp also won seniors 2013

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:25:19 No.34542874 Report

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>>34539629
Don't forget
>Confusion got nerfed, so Dynamicpunch isn't worth running no guard for anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:34:56 No.34542909 Report

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>>34540286
You heard wrong. machamp is still the best blissey killer, who dominates gyms. Hariyama is a close second.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 15:51:53 No.34542970 Report

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>>34542858
Based Machamp and Conkeldurr

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Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 16:41:21 No.34543176 Report

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>>34540415
>Pangoro: dragon claw
Why are you surprised? Its a Dragon Warrior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 19:47:17 No.34544215 Report

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>>34540301
Better to be not shilled but rising naturally in usage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 19:58:01 No.34544279 Report

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>>34542812
Machamp was great in past VGCs but it has just fallen off now.
Gen 4 OU ok, but being decent(not even top tier) in a past gen meta isn't exactly a great claim of fame.
No Guard isn't worth mentioning with gen 7 confusion mechanics, any Machamp will always just run Guts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 20:03:36 No.34544309 Report

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>>34540415
you know knowing that emboar is a pig a ground type water absorb would be good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Dec 2017 22:37:02 No.34545123 Report

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>>34542858
Does anybody have 2017?

MTS

MTS Wed 11 Apr 2018 00:06:32 No.34545123,1 Report Delete

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Do you guys want to know what's even worse? Machamp is outclassed by Conkeldurr who is not only a gen 5 ripoff of him (Trade evo Fighting types), he is outclassed by probably the worst fighting Pokemon design wise according to fans, and I actually agree with that opinion. Gosh, if they were going to make someone outclass Machamp they could at least make it have a cool design and not put... Whatever the fuck is on Conkeldurr's head. Nonetheless, since he's my 2nd favorite fighting type (3: Chesnaught 1: Cobalion) I have him in my main team in Ultra Sun. Even without No Guard, he is still rocking.

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