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Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:40:13 No.34625947 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34625972 >>34625977 >>34626023 >>34626276 >>34626299 >>34626307 >>34626342 >>34626586 >>34630168 >>34630193

Can someone explain to someone not in competitive why Ambipom is considered so bad?

From my uninformed view, isn't 115 speed super good and 100 attack good enough for technician Fake Out or Skill Link Tail Slap?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:42:20 No.34625959 Report

Quoted By: >>34626671

Very predictable and only uses normal moves plus knock off and u-turn. Easily walled and played around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:43:28 No.34625972 Report

Quoted By: >>34626536 >>34626671

>>34625947
>From my uninformed view, isn't 115 speed super good and 100 attack good enough for technician Fake Out or Skill Link Tail Slap?

Yes, but that's literally all it can do. Tauros is almost as fast but hits harder with Sheer Force, and Cinccino has an actual movepool to work with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:44:11 No.34625977 Report

Quoted By: >>34625983 >>34626159

>>34625947
People just don't know how to use it. Ambipom is at least good enough for UU, so make sure to use it on all your teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:45:45 No.34625983 Report

Quoted By: >>34627052

>>34625977
This. Ambipom is actually really good but high ladder elites perpetuate the meme that its bad to keep new players out of the loop. I recently made it to 1800 with a Silk Scarf Ambipom team with ease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 22:52:13 No.34626023 Report

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>>34625947
Standards are higher. Base 115 speed and base 100 attack aren't impressive anymore. You need a bit more oomph to be in the higher tiers.

Hell, Pokemon with base 130 attacking stats are barely UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:11:21 No.34626159 Report

Quoted By: >>34626179

>>34625977
t. pokeaimmd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:14:20 No.34626179 Report

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>>34626159
hey fren :]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:15:40 No.34626195 Report

Quoted By: >>34626307

You do know that just because a Pokemon isn't OU doesn't mean it's garbage right? Plenty of low tier Pokemon have handy niches in higher tiers because of roles they can fill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:25:47 No.34626276 Report

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>>34625947
it's fun to meme opponents with, even the devs are aware of it with the battle maison/tree sets they give it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:28:46 No.34626299 Report

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>>34625947
Not that bad but almost every tier has better choices
>OU M-Loppunny
>UU Mineshao
>RU Minncino
>NU Tarous

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:29:54 No.34626307 Report

Quoted By: >>34626671

>>34625947
OU requires the absolute best of best. If you're not complete cancer you can't compete.

As >>34626195 said though not being OU doesn't mean it's complete irredeemable shit. Ambipom suffers from being too predictable. Once you have seen one ambipom set you will have seen them all, everyone runs basically the same fake out into fling into u-turn set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:33:24 No.34626342 Report

Quoted By: >>34626352

>>34625947
A 100 Atk on a frail Pokemon who uses Technician is awful. This isn't mentioning how it has little to no coverage and can do shit to anything with decent physical bulk that isn't 4x weak to Revenge, Knock Off, or U-Turn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:34:27 No.34626352 Report

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>>34626342
can't do shit*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2018 23:54:27 No.34626536 Report

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>>34625972
This. Tauros is an underrapreciated mon in the meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:02:08 No.34626586 Report

Quoted By: >>34626606 >>34626805 >>34627033

>>34625947
>go steel type
what do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:05:15 No.34626606 Report

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>>34626586
U turn out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:16:07 No.34626671 Report

Quoted By: >>34626821

>>34625972
>>34625959
>>34626307
Being predicable is never an issue when the moon is good at doing just one thing. An extreme example of one trick ponies gone horribly right are Naganadel & Toxapex.

IIRC, Ambipom's mostly hated for being (in the previous gen) the counterpart of Gen 5 Donphan AKA that one D ranked mon that always has huge usage despite the metagame being anything but kind to it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:31:34 No.34626805 Report

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>>34626586
DynamicPunch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:33:31 No.34626821 Report

Quoted By: >>34626892

>>34626671
The only time a pokemon gets away with doing one single thing is if it's so good at that one thing that nothing cam stop it from doing so.

Naganadel was so good at sweeping with its one predictable set that even if you knew what it was and what it did there was still a 50% chance it could sweep you. Ambipom has no such feats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 00:43:55 No.34626892 Report

Quoted By: >>34627380 >>34627418

>>34626821
Ambipom's niche is mostly abusing Fake Out and weakening anything that's not a steel/rock type with the Tail Slap + Skill Link combo. And despite UU claiming the monkey to be hot trash, both Aim & Blunder have proven that 1. Ambipom's so good at it's job that you can use it as a lure and 2. People who underestimate bad mons end up paying for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:07:16 No.34627033 Report

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>>34626586
Low Kick? Focus Punch All out Pummeling? Fire Punch?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:09:37 No.34627052 Report

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>>34625983
> because you never used it
> because you filled your other 5 slots with ubers/mythicals/legendaries all with z-moves and mega stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:14:51 No.34627089 Report

Quoted By: >>34627100 >>34627283 >>34627518

The problem is no one is using the actual good Ambipom set and instead go for U-turn nonsense or meme sets like Papa Roach. Here's the only good Ambipom set:

Fake Out
Return/Frustration (if you're afraid of getting hosed by Ditto)
Low Kick
Knock Off

Return hits unexpectedly hard, Low Kick and Knock off keep you from getting hosed by Ghost and Steel types, you know, the things that wall almost every Ambipom set. I've seen Power-up-Punch work instead of Low Kick, but I'm really partial to Low Kick.

Oh, and don't give it a Life Orb, lots of idiots fall for that, but that makes you kill yourself too quickly from Fake Out overusage. Throw a Silk Scarf or a Muscle Band on it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:16:45 No.34627100 Report

Quoted By: >>34627269

>>34627089
> no u turn so your ambipom get's ko'ed turn 2
nice strategy. for your opponent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:44:52 No.34627269 Report

Quoted By: >>34627396 >>34627412

>>34627100
You know, you could just switch with the "Switch" button to a bulky pokemon that can tank whatever was supposed to kill Ambipom. That's what normal people do. It's called "having support for your Ambipom" and is basic teambuilding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 01:47:34 No.34627283 Report

Quoted By: >>34629935 >>34630159

>>34627089
>Low Kick
>Anywhere but ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:01:14 No.34627380 Report

Quoted By:

>>34626892
t.karenfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:04:07 No.34627396 Report

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>>34627269
>Wow look at me, I build my team around a shitty ru mon, i made it all the way to 1200!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:06:51 No.34627412 Report

Quoted By: >>34627424 >>34627500 >>34630310

>>34627269
prediction is overrated. it usually works out against you (because they expect you to switch) and i believe (though never been proved) there is a hidden increased probability of the opponent getting a critical on you when you switch in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:07:59 No.34627418 Report

Quoted By: >>34627440

>>34626892
They're just extremely good players that can get high ranks with various teams. Most here on /vp/ can't get past 1300 yet they can easily do it with troll teams with a Gible ect.

Ambipom's niche isn't good enough to warrant being used much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:08:40 No.34627424 Report

Quoted By: >>34627429

>>34627412
This is the most autistic post I've seen in a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:09:30 No.34627429 Report

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>>34627424
you don't notice there are many more crits against you when you switch? it's total bullshit. i see it all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:10:55 No.34627440 Report

Quoted By: >>34627473

>>34627418
> extremely good players
> that pokegen all their pokemon
> extremely good players
how do you think they got so "extremely good"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:15:30 No.34627473 Report

Quoted By: >>34627491

>>34627440
They play on showdown all day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:17:18 No.34627491 Report

Quoted By: >>34627652

>>34627473
yea but in the real game they cheat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:17:53 No.34627500 Report

Quoted By: >>34627545

>>34627412
>i believe (though never been proved) there is a hidden increased probability of the opponent getting a critical on you when you switch in.
How would people feel if this was an actual mechanic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:19:26 No.34627518 Report

Quoted By:

>>34627089
le floating rocket waifu of infinite leeching seeds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:22:33 No.34627545 Report

Quoted By: >>34629884

>>34627500
it is real. i see it all time time. i call it the switch-in critical. it makes me flip out when it happens. that's why i hardly ever switch. i want someone to prove it exists by getting one of the designers to admit it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:38:02 No.34627652 Report

Quoted By: >>34627687

>>34627491
This is a testament to their skill genning pokemon doesn't make you play better. Take your complaining elsewhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:43:58 No.34627687 Report

Quoted By: >>34627753 >>34627759 >>34627886

>>34627652
> mirror battle
> you have regular breed pokemon
> "extremely good players" opponent is all 6 iv perfect, perfect nature
begone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:57:01 No.34627753 Report

Quoted By: >>34627759 >>34627948

>>34627687
You don't breed perfect pokemon when it's so easy these days? How about you learn to breed if you can't breed perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 02:58:15 No.34627759 Report

Quoted By: >>34627948

>>34627687
>>34627753
And on that note I forgot about fucking Hyper training. The only thing that's hard to breed for is low speed, do you even play pokemon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 03:01:28 No.34627781 Report

Quoted By: >>34627810

It saddens me to have my bro yanked through the mud like this. It makes people like it even less.

Nobody likes Ambipom. It's like the underdog of the Pokemon world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 03:04:39 No.34627810 Report

Quoted By: >>34627832

>>34627781
Jesus christ whoever decided to add the purple ^ nose needs to be shot and then hanged
Perfect design otherwise

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 03:06:41 No.34627832 Report

Quoted By: >>34628591

>>34627810
Honestly, the nose isn't as bad as the penis fingers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 03:14:15 No.34627886 Report

Quoted By: >>34627948

>>34627687
Falseflaggers give me the biggest kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 03:21:12 No.34627948 Report

Quoted By:

>>34627753
>>34627759
>>34627886
i should have said using vgc legal legendaries. but yeah i forgot you can now hypertrain. i just soft reset until i get very close to 31 ivs in the stats that aren't perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 05:09:10 No.34628591 Report

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>>34627832
Honestly , the penis fingers isn't as bad as the bowl cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 11:12:38 No.34629884 Report

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>>34627545
It doesn't really happen to me, nor I have really seen it happen to others. You probably have shit luck AND a bias that makes you notice it more when it happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 11:37:45 No.34629935 Report

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>>34627283
Ambipom has Technician so Low Kick is a pretty consistent move overall. Even on mons without Technician it is perfectly fine if they don't have alternative Fighting moves, unless you are playing LC. The usual targets of Fighting coverage in most tiers tend to be very heavy regardless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:13:29 No.34630159 Report

Quoted By: >>34630167

>>34627283
Never ran Weaville I see, or vgc tyranitar or hariyama. World champ Hariyama ran low lick. Get gud!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:15:05 No.34630167 Report

Quoted By:

>>34630159
>low lick
nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:16:03 No.34630168 Report

Quoted By:

>>34625947
Because it had so bad design noone wants to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:23:54 No.34630193 Report

Quoted By:

>>34625947
isn't Cinccino basically a better version of it in any way?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:42:10 No.34630237 Report

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100 Attack is nothing special, lol.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 13:57:46 No.34630288 Report

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Still in inpf my fav PokemonI ran A fake out-taunt-switcharoo double hit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2018 14:05:47 No.34630310 Report

Quoted By:

>>34627412
t. sub 1000

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