/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #34694546

[126 / 8 / ?]

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:09:32 No.34694546 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34694558 >>34694565 >>34694608 >>34695362 >>34695488 >>34695571 >>34695605 >>34695609 >>34695673 >>34696117 >>34697238 >>34699211

Isn't it pretty amazing that pokémon is kind of logical with its type weaknesses?

Rock > Flying
Two birds with one stone.

Psychic > Fighting
Brains over brawn

Bug > Grass
Because bugs eat grass.

And so on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:11:55 No.34694558 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694546
I would still like for Ice to resist Bug and Rock to resist Electric.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:13:11 No.34694565 Report

Quoted By: >>34694588 >>34694597 >>34694601 >>34694613 >>34694627 >>34694914 >>34695386 >>34699681

>>34694546
Ground > Poison
because ???

Steel > Fairy
because ???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:16:25 No.34694588 Report

Quoted By: >>34694613 >>34695547

>>34694565
>Ground > Poison
Landfills

>Steel > Fairy
Machines destroy nature

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:17:24 No.34694597 Report

Quoted By: >>34694613

>>34694565
You eat clay to neutralise poison.
Cold iron is anathema to fairies and fey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:18:25 No.34694601 Report

Quoted By: >>34694618

>>34694565
Because you cant poison the ground, duh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:20:02 No.34694608 Report

Quoted By: >>34694612 >>34694613

>>34694546
>Flying > Fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:21:05 No.34694612 Report

Quoted By: >>34694662 >>34694706 >>34700264

>>34694608
Have you ever tried to punch a bird?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:21:14 No.34694613 Report

Quoted By: >>34694662 >>34694706

>>34694565
>>34694588
>>34694597
Yeah, some doesn't make sense at first but you can make sense out of them.

>>34694608
Can't hit what you can't reach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:22:30 No.34694618 Report

Quoted By: >>34694631 >>34694632 >>34695826

>>34694601

Ever heard the term "salt the earth"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:24:19 No.34694627 Report

Quoted By: >>34699681

>>34694565
Soil absorbs toxins and mixes them with minerals, causing a neutralizing effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:24:36 No.34694630 Report

Quoted By: >>34694983 >>34695372 >>34695376

inb4 "m-muh kamen rider reference hero type!"fags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:25:13 No.34694631 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694618
Salt type confirmed

Sugar type for Gen 9 to nerf salt type

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:25:32 No.34694632 Report

Quoted By: >>34695543

>>34694618
>salt
>poison
Um, then why is it so tasty, dum-dum?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:28:01 No.34694649 Report

Quoted By: >>34694665

Yes! I just love throwing leaves in pools of water and watching the water die lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:30:20 No.34694662 Report

Quoted By: >>34700148

>>34694612
Why do I feel like I've seen that somewhere before?

>>34694613
>but you can make sense out of them
Some of the justifications can be quite reaching though. Granted, it's never an "official reason" and more something some people do to remember the type advantages, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:30:28 No.34694665 Report

Quoted By: >>34694707

>>34694649
Research the effects of excessive algae growth on freshwater ponds my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:34:23 No.34694706 Report

Quoted By: >>34694753 >>34694760 >>34694764

>>34694612
>>34694613
>jump really high.
>hit the damn bird.
Wooooooow

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:34:29 No.34694707 Report

Quoted By: >>34694758 >>34696057 >>34699063 >>34699882

>>34694665
So then, please kind anon, explain to me why Poison is not SE against Water? :thinking:

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:40:07 No.34694753 Report

Quoted By: >>34694764

>>34694706
>jump really high
Can't you say anything that sounds less retarded? Like "wait for the bird to land, catch it, and then hit it"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:40:46 No.34694758 Report

Quoted By: >>34694800 >>34695091

>>34694707
>:thinking:
Here's something to think about: Pokemon is a video game. The type chart mimics reality only to the extent to which it requires for balance.

Also water is pH neutral so it dilutes poisons, thought you should know

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:40:59 No.34694760 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694706
>jump really high
>bird flies even higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:41:48 No.34694764 Report

Quoted By: >>34694784

>>34694706
>>34694753
Sky Uppercut exists, just saying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:46:47 No.34694784 Report

Quoted By: >>34694800

>>34694764
True, but we're talking in terms of the real world here. Otherwise there's really no need to justify things aside from "it just works".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 16:49:11 No.34694800 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694784
see >>34694758

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 22aa02e661259dc291b3c4c115cd3dc2.png, 31KiB, 186x59

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:07:07 No.34694910 Report

Quoted By: >>34694944 >>34694950 >>34695030 >>34695440 >>34696020 >>34696309

this is hardly justified

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:07:39 No.34694914 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694565
Fairies in folklore were allergic to metal, specifically iron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:13:29 No.34694944 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694910
It's steel, of course it's going to be crazy defensively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:15:11 No.34694950 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694910
It's difficult to cut through, or otherwise deform, steel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:18:51 No.34694966 Report

Quoted By: >>34694980 >>34695002 >>34696000 >>34696040 >>34698599

Bug >>>> Dark ?????

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:22:17 No.34694980 Report

Quoted By: >>34694983

>>34694966
>Most bugs are nocturnal
>Morally neutral bug brains
>Kamen Rider

Take your pick amigo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:22:54 No.34694983 Report

Quoted By: >>34694995

>>34694980
>>34694630

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:24:45 No.34694995 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694983
Wew lad you got me there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:25:55 No.34695002 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694966
Bug infestations are nature's punishment for those who don't lead a proper lifestyle. Think about how places where thugs live soon tend to end up full of cockroaches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:29:11 No.34695030 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694910
It lost two resistances at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:45:27 No.34695091 Report

Quoted By: >>34695104

>>34694758
>Also water is pH neutral so it dilutes poisons, thought you should know
This is far from the truth though. Not only does water in nature almost never have a true neutral pH because there's so much shit dissolved in it, but even if water does indeed dilute poisons (among many other things), this has nothing to do with its pH.

Otherwise concepts like red tides would never be a problem, yet they exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 17:50:15 No.34695104 Report

Quoted By: >>34695980

>>34695091
There are examples/counterexamples for every type matchup but in general it makes sense for Water and Poison to be neutral to one another, agreed? There's no point in autistically analyzing every single aspect of a video game made for children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:36:56 No.34695362 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694546
Are those symbols for the types that AREN'T from the TCG from anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:37:49 No.34695372 Report

Quoted By: >>34695423 >>34695439 >>34695477 >>34696106 >>34699147 >>34699874

>>34694630
Shitpost all you want about it, the games are japanese so they take japanese culture cues in the games.

Bugs weirder matchups are directly because of the japanese tendency to characterize bugs as some sort of just force opposed to evil but not necessarily heroes, japs are weird. Hero type is fighting. Dark type being evil type is beaten by them both for the same reason. Yes its esoteric as fuck and doesn't make terribly much sense in western contexts but it is what it is.
Inb4 dark being evil type triggers some faggot. That's how it was in gen 2 where all its moves were related to being fucking evil, not literal darkness. No, the literal darkness moves were all ghost type (night shade etc), most still are (shadow claw/punch etc). It took until gen 4 to get a true dark as in darkness move that was actually dark type.

You see something similar in fairy type, but given when they were introduced the games were far more westernized the fairy type matchups are rooted in western folklore. Fae wither to the touch of cold iron. Fae are hurt by pollution and poisons moreso than other things. Fae were practically dragon-mancers in how little of a shit they gave about them. Fae were also very weak to fire, hence fire resists it. Not sure why it isn't weak to fire, maybe they thought fire would be too good offensively or they just wanted fairy to be real good. At any rate all of fairy makes sense bar the bug resist.

The real question is why the fuck is poison weak to psychic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:38:10 No.34695376 Report

Quoted By: >>34695428

>>34694630
Ok what's your explanation then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:40:00 No.34695386 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694565
>Ground > Poison
Poison damages living organic things, it can't do shit to the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:46:49 No.34695423 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695372
>The real question is why the fuck is poison weak to psychic.

Psychic is the power of mind-over-matter, in Gen V most doctors used Psychic types so I think that's a good indicator as to why Psychic beats Poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:47:32 No.34695428 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695376
Niggers are afraid of bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:49:04 No.34695439 Report

Quoted By: >>34695457

>>34695372
>Hero type is fighting.
Stop trying to perpetuate this ridiculous headcanon. Gen 1 very clearly portrayed it as a dumb muscle brute type. What's heroic about Primeape?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:49:37 No.34695440 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694910
>birds, bugs, fairies, "normal" animals, or even big creatures like dragons would have a hard time biting or clawing their way through steel.
>fucking plants don't even have a chance, steel should actually be immune to them
>steel is harder than ice and rock
>machines are mindless, therefore most psychic attacks are useless against them, except maybe telekinesis
>poison only works on the living

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:52:59 No.34695457 Report

Quoted By: >>34695472

>>34695439
Here's a hint: elemental types are multi-faceted. Different Pokemon will bring out different aspects of a type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:56:18 No.34695472 Report

Quoted By: >>34695496

>>34695457
>fighting
>elemental
It's literally the very furthest you can get from being elemental.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:57:33 No.34695477 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695372
>poison weak to psychic
You can't poison a psychic, he can see the future so he'll never take that cup from you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:58:16 No.34695484 Report

Quoted By: >>34695492 >>34695497 >>34695501 >>34695505 >>34695546 >>34695568 >>34695580 >>34695645

>Rock>Flying
Two birds with one stone
>Rock/Fire
Blocks off oxygen supply
>Rock/Ice
Breaks through
>Rock>Bug
Rocks crush Bugs.

1 / 18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:59:16 No.34695488 Report

Quoted By: >>34695501

>>34694546
Why is steel not weak to electric when water is?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 18:59:50 No.34695492 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
>Water>Fire
Water puts Fire out. Duh.
>Water>Rock
Water erodes Rock
>Water>Ground
Water saturates Ground

2/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:01:02 No.34695496 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695472
All the types are elemental types retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:01:05 No.34695497 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
Birds have hollow bones, hitting them with a rock is almost guaranteed to break something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:01:40 No.34695501 Report

Quoted By: >>34695503

>>34695484
>>34695488
>Electric>Water
Electricity conducts through Water
>Electric>Flying
Birds are more susceptible to electric shock than land critters.

3/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:02:30 No.34695503 Report

Quoted By: >>34695546 >>34695742

>>34695501
>Electricity conducts through Water

But steel is a better conductor and steel is not weak to electric?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:02:54 No.34695505 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
>Grass>Water
Grass absorbs Water

>Grass>Rock
>Grass>Ground
Grass roots in Rock and Ground.

4/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:05:36 No.34695527 Report

Quoted By:

>Ghost/Ghost
Nothing to fear but fear itself

>Rock/Fire
Because whenever I start a fire I throw rocks at it to get it to go out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:08:16 No.34695543 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694632
It's tasty, so it's bad for you, therefore poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:08:38 No.34695546 Report

Quoted By: >>34697289

>>34695503
One is more likely to be shocked through water than if there's contact with metal. Especially if there's no means for the electricity to reach the ground through said person. Ever hear stories of people who stick the ends of booster cables connected to a battery into water to catch fish?

>>34695484
>Poison>Grass
Poison kills Grass
>Poison>Fairy
Fairies are pure. Poison contaminates this purity.

5/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:08:40 No.34695547 Report

Quoted By: >>34695581

>>34694588
>Steel > Fairy
>Machines destroy nature
Incorrect. It goes deeper than that modern garbage you’re spouting. Fairy is weak to Steel, because in lore/the occult Faerie creatures are weak to “cold iron”.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:10:18 No.34695568 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
>Psychic>Poison
Psychics will the Poison out of their systems
>Psychic>Fighting
Psychics will Fighters to pain.

6/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:10:38 No.34695571 Report

Quoted By: >>34695584

>>34694546
Fairies should do no harm to grass types and bug should be se on fairies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:11:56 No.34695580 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
>Fire>Grass
Fire burns Grass
>Fire>Bug
Fire cooks Bugs
>Fire>Ice
>Fire>Steel
Fire melts Ice and Steel

7/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:12:00 No.34695581 Report

Quoted By: >>34698898

>>34695547
Does it matter? They're just pneumonics for remembering what is otherwise an arbitrary game of rock-paper-scissors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:13:09 No.34695584 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695571
>and bug should be se on fairies.
Just like my favorite hentai classic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:15:48 No.34695605 Report

Quoted By: >>34696144

>>34694546
I need a question or two answered for a WIP fan-game.

>each type has a matching color for representation
>some overlap and need a distinction to be made

Beige: Normal/Ground
White: Normal/Ice/Flying
Grey: Normal/Steel
Yellow: TCG Dragon/Electric
Purple: Poison/Psychic/Ghost
Pink: Psychic/Fairy

Normal, Psychic, Ghost and Dragon were seemingly the most problematic Gen 1 types and usually considered late-additions to the type chart. So I think this ambiguity is expected, but fixable.

You all seem like the only thread that could pick and support those choices

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:16:21 No.34695609 Report

Quoted By: >>34695619 >>34695793 >>34700005 >>34700668

>>34694546
Here comes unbridled autism. I'll try to explain all the weaknesses, at least:

>Bug
Psychic - bugs are hiveminds and immune to trickery
Grass - parasites
Dark - same as Psychic

>Dark
Ghost - ghosts disappear into shadows
Psychic - dirty fighting/evil spirits cloud the mind

>Dragon
Dragon - the only thing strong enough to kill a dragon is another dragon

>Electric
Flying - no way for something airborne to ground itself
Water - water is a great conductor

>Fairy
Dark - evil spirits meet magical, pure hearted beings
Dragon - GF is stupid and though they could break the Dragon-type meme, but just made another OP type. Also fairies are magical while dragons are strictly natural creatures
Fighting - magic beats physical strength

>Fighting
Dark - dirty fighters meet honest, trained fighters
Ice - hard fists will smash frail ice
Normal - normals are untrained while fighting are
Rock - hard fists also can break rocks, at least martial artists can
Steel - and truly trained martial artists can bend steel

>Fire
Bug - bugs are flammable
Grass - so is grass
Ice - but ice will melt
Steel - and metal too

>Flying
Bug - bugs are preyed upon by birds
Fighting - can't punch something that just flutters out of reach
Grass - plants are heavily damaged by weather, esp. strong winds

>Ghost
Ghost - supernatural beings fighting supernatural beings
Psychic - all the focus and mind training can't stop you from deal with something supernatural

>Grass
Ground - plants grow from the ground and can absorb/erode it
Rock - plants can also crumble stone given enough time
Water - plants soak up water

>Ground
Electric - they ground the electric current
Fire - they bury the flames
Poison - they also can bury the toxins (and eating clay absorbs poisons in the body)
Rock - they can erode stone
Steel - and metal as well

>Ice
Dragon - they ARE cold blooded
Flying - cold weather makes the air thin
Grass - plants don't like the cold
Ground - frost can break the earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:17:24 No.34695619 Report

Quoted By: >>34700685

>>34695609

>Normal
none - they're not specialists

>Poison
Grass - weedkillers, pesticides, etc.
Fairy - fairies are pure in folklore and wary of toxins

>Psychic
Fighting - brains over brawn
Poison - having a clear mind can cure the body of impurities (think meditation)

>Rock
Bug - rocks squish bugs
Fire - rocks can smolder flames
Flying - rocks can hit birds out of the air
Ice - rocks smash frail ice

>Steel
Fairy - fairies were allergic to metal in folklore, esp. iron
Ice - ice can be smashed by metal
Rock - metal tools can chisel rock

>Water
Fire - water douses flames
Ground - water can erode the earth
Rock - water can also erode stones

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:19:56 No.34695645 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695484
>Ground>Rock
Ground erodes Rock
>Ground>Electric
Ground absorbs Electricity
>Ground>Poison
Ground neutralizes Poison
>Ground>Fire
Ground smothers Fire
>Ground>Steel
Ground abrades Steel.

8/18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:24:46 No.34695673 Report

Quoted By: >>34695903 >>34700201

>>34694546
There are only three problems I have with the type matchups, otherwise they are excellent:

>Ice needs another resistance
I like that Ice is all offense and no defense, since it makes sense in a strict sense (ice is delicate and can be easily broken, there are many ways to ward off the cold but if you're unprepared it will be the death of you, etc.). However, if it had ONE more resistance it would be very helpful. I'm torn between it being a resistance to Water, Grass or Ground.

Water makes sense because Ice is frozen water, but water is also good at retaining its heat so it being neutral with Ice makes sense too. Grass would be a fun resistance because it makes logical sense (plants don't like the cold), but it would hurt Grass which is already a pretty shitty typing. Ground is a good idea, but doesn't make a whole lot of sense logically. Sand is used to STOP Ice growing, even, so if anything Ground should be strong against Ice...

>Fairy shouldn't be immune to Dragon
This may be a point of contention, but I think making Fairy immune to Dragon was a misstep on GF's part. It should resist Dragon, but not be totally immune. Fairies run rampant as the new overpowered type because of this immunity, which leads to my next point...

>Another type should resist Fairy
My vote is Psychic, only because it would buff Psychic a little bit. I don't think Fairy should resist itself, though that also makes sense, because then it keeps centralizing the meta around Fairies. But giving a different type a resistance would mean Fairies can't switch in or attack on the switch as safely as they can now, considering Steel and Poison moves are still (largely) not widespread

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:37:34 No.34695742 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695503
>But steel is a better conductor and steel is not weak to electric
But machines also run on electricity, thus benefiting from it.
Water can evaporate if you run an electrical current through it, and all the organisms living in it die or are severely damaged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:45:02 No.34695793 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695609
>Ice
Flying - Birds can't get airborne with Ice on their wings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:46:15 No.34695801 Report

Quoted By: >>34697076

electric resists flying because?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:47:49 No.34695826 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694618
Salting a sandwich only make it tastier

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:48:37 No.34695833 Report

Quoted By:

Bug now is neutral to fairy/ghost/fighting. But is resisted by rock

Balanced?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 19:59:11 No.34695903 Report

Quoted By: >>34695932 >>34696840 >>34698549

>>34695673
>This may be a point of contention, but I think making Fairy immune to Dragon was a misstep on GF's part. It should resist Dragon, but not be totally immune. Fairies run rampant as the new overpowered type because of this immunity, which leads to my next point...
fairy itself isn't -that- strong, also having a dragon immunity was a necessity to stop mindless Button sweeps. What makes fairy types over-represented is that 4 570 BST legendaries with board-changing pivotal abilities are fairy types, as well as two of the strongest physical wallbreakers in the game being fairies (mawile and, to a lesser extent, belly drum Azumarill). Just like dragon isn't that great of a typing in and of itself but was very popular because 600 BST dreadnoughts were dragon-type, fairy is popular because strong mons (that would probably be just as strong with another non-shit type like grass or bug) are fairy-type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:04:08 No.34695932 Report

Quoted By: >>34696218 >>34696840 >>34698549

>>34695903

Stop whining dragon cuck. Fairies are fucking awful, but dragons got what they deserved. Maybe one day when gamefreak actually makes a fast offensive fairy type or a powerful ground/fairy the metagame will fall apart again, but I hope you outrage in hell until then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:10:29 No.34695980 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695104
>There's no point in autistically analyzing every single aspect of a video game made for children.
Never said otherwise and I wasn't even trying to justify any kind of type matchup between water and poison if that's the impression you got.

I just see no point on going out of your way to explain how real-life water works to another anon when you clearly don't know anything about the subject.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:14:10 No.34696000 Report

Quoted By: >>34696062

>>34694966
Bugs thrive in filth and darkness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:15:28 No.34696020 Report

Quoted By: >>34696031 >>34696034 >>34699904 >>34700211

>>34694910
>psychics are known to bend spoons
>psychic moves aren’t very effective to steel
Explain this, balancefags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:16:48 No.34696031 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696020
>a spoon is as thicc as a living girder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:17:54 No.34696034 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696020
Steel types aren't made of spoons, they're made of solid iron plates or compact mechanic structures in most cases.

Only steel type that could make sense being weak to psychic based on this justification is klefki.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:18:41 No.34696040 Report

Quoted By: >>34698599

>>34694966
>Hero > Evil

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:21:23 No.34696057 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694707
Running water cleans out the pollution or something? Who the fuck knows, Poison isn’t even SE against Normal-types. Or Bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:22:19 No.34696062 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696000

>when ever dark cucks want to advance their narrative, dark means literal darkness, and when it better suits them, dark then means "trickery"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:28:54 No.34696106 Report

Quoted By: >>34696115

>>34695372
The real question is why the fuck is poison weak to psychic.

Mind over matter. Some people have been known to cure themselves of certain minor illnesses just by willing themselves to be healthier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:30:29 No.34696115 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696106
>Some people have been known to cure themselves of certain minor illnesses just by willing themselves to be healthier.
What, seriously?

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1370119585457.png, 423KiB, 800x450

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:31:05 No.34696117 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694546
>Fairy > Fighting
>Because twinks get bears and otters to fuck their tight little boipussies

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibit (...).jpg, 148KiB, 640x427

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:33:36 No.34696141 Report

Quoted By:

>Fighting > Steel

Have you ever heard of strongmen?

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO Capture.png, 73KiB, 867x576

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:33:52 No.34696144 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695605
There are already type indicators in canonical colors in the game already, you moron

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 20:47:45 No.34696218 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695932
dude I was defending fairies and saying Button immunity was a strict necessity, do you have some comprehension problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 21:01:24 No.34696309 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694910
metal hard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 22:18:23 No.34696840 Report

Quoted By: >>34696883 >>34697592

>>34695932
>>34695903

Outrage spam was relentless, but Fairies being immune or resisting it still would make about the same difference given the current spread of existing fairies in the game. Even non-legendary fairies like Clefable could have taken a resisted Outrage and retaliated.

I get WHY it was done, it just irks me. Immunities to me have to make physical sense, like Ghost being immune to Normal or Steel being immune to Poison. But Fairies flat out not being affected by Dragon moves? That doesn't make a lot of sense other than "GF needed to fix the meta"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 22:24:51 No.34696883 Report

Quoted By: >>34697592

>>34696840
Just to make my point, this is if Fairy resisted Dragon instead of being immune. In either case, Clefable could survive and retaliate with Moonblast.

Jolly Garchomp w/ Scarf:
252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 86-102 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

Adamant Garchomp w/ Band:
252+ Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 141-167 (35.7 - 42.3%) -- 93.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 22:59:22 No.34697076 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695801
Throw a bird at a thunderstorm and see if the thunderstorm dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 23:23:26 No.34697238 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694546
>pokémon is kind of logical with its type weaknesses
No, no it's fucking not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 23:31:02 No.34697289 Report

Quoted By: >>34697382

>>34695546
Shouldn't poison be SE against bug as well? Since bug is like grass in which they are living things? Never knew why they removed the weakness back in gen 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 15 Jan 2018 23:43:13 No.34697382 Report

Quoted By: >>34697876

>>34697289
Bugs can develop resistance against insecticides over generations, and since they are short-living organisms their generations are fast and you can see the adaptation in your lifetime. It's the same reason why the flue has to get a new vaccine every year, because it mutates fast. Also from a meta POV, bug deserves better than to be weak to poison of all things, considering how shitty everything else is for them.

TL;DR - Bug types adapted to poison through the course of gen 1 to 2.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 232332.jpg, 78KiB, 720x479

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 00:07:36 No.34697592 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696840
>>34696883
>Immunities to me have to make physical sense, like Ghost being immune to Normal or Steel being immune to Poison. But Fairies flat out not being affected by Dragon moves?
Fairies are magical dude. Being able to do the impossible isn't that far-fetched.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 00:46:58 No.34697876 Report

Quoted By:

>>34697382
So can plants

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 00:49:56 No.34697897 Report

Quoted By:

Ice should resist Water, Flying & Dragon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 02:31:01 No.34698549 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695903
>>34695932
Fairy is a broken type, irrespective of the pokemon that use it. The problem with the Tapus is pretty much purely that they are the first good pokemon to get it, as well as their own damage-boosting abilities. However, if they were, say, their type/psychic (pure psychic for lele) they wouldn't be nearly as good. Look what Fairy did to Clefable, base Gardevoir, and Togekiss for reference. Fairy resists important offensive types, while being weak only to obscure and otherwise worthless ones. The entire reason Steel is a problem now is because there is a reason to run it. It's still a shitty offensive type, it just now has huge duty to perform elevating it. Mega Metagross wasn't a problem back in gen 6, because Fairy hadn't unbalanced it yet.
Dragon on the other hand is much as you said, though it is important to note that a stab with virtually no resistances is nothing to ignore. Ice is a good offensive type, whether you consider Dragon or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 02:39:11 No.34698599 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694966
>>34696040
This. Bugs represent a heroic underdog to the japanese. It's why bug has it's relationship to dark (The villain always looses to the heroic underdog), but also why bug and fighting resist eachother (The underdog can't compete with the real hero, but the real hero can't bring himself to go all-out against the underdog). The two types display a rivalry between eachother in this way.
It's why bugs are commonly displayed as a weak type for beginners, even when the "bugs are weak" argument falls away completely when you look at a three-foot tall stag beetle. Just look at the description for shit like Struggle Bug. It's literally the description for any plucky main character underdog of any action anime series ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 03:25:18 No.34698853 Report

Quoted By: >>34699618 >>34699637

Can someone explain why Fire resists Fairy but not Grass? As far as I'm concerned, GF gave Fire a Fairy resist just because it would buff Mega Charizard.
If Grass had the Fairy resist over Fire, it would buff the almost irrelevant Grass typing, which is pretty shit as a defensive type save for it's ground resist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 03:32:53 No.34698898 Report

Quoted By: >>34701762

>>34695581
>gets BTFO
>D-Does it matter??
Get fucked kid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 03:53:33 No.34699063 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694707
GF sucks water cock and shits on poison as "weak mook type". There's your explanation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 04:06:55 No.34699147 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695372
>The real question is why the fuck is poison weak to psychic.

I assume GF's logic is because Psychic-types don't actually need to touch the poison, which is probably also why Fighting types are weak against it, Psychic and Fighting types were kind of counterparts back then too. But now there are physical Psychic moves, so it kind of makes less sense in those cases. There's also the possibility that Psychic is being associated with intelligence or scientific prowess, so it could be a reference to doctors and scientists curing diseases.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1515700458663.png, 191KiB, 640x423

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 04:15:04 No.34699211 Report

Quoted By: >>34699632

>>34694546
>Ground and Fighting are SE against 5 different types each
Does anyone else consider this complete horseshit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 05:23:49 No.34699618 Report

Quoted By:

>>34698853
Grass also has water resist which is just as valuable. Also being one of the only two types to beat water doesn't make grass irrelevant. Although a fairy resist / immunity would be very nice for grass, it makes perfect sense lore-wise as well since fairies can't hurt nature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 05:26:13 No.34699632 Report

Quoted By: >>34699949

>>34699211
I think they're balanced out because ground types have extremely common weaknesses while many types resist fighting including ghost which is immune to fighting. If you want to talk about horseshit types, look no further than water and fairy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 05:27:09 No.34699637 Report

Quoted By:

>>34698853
Grass is fucking excellent defensively, m8. Resisting Water, Electric, and Ground is amazing. It's offensively where it's trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 05:34:47 No.34699681 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694565
>>34694627
More specifically soil neutralizes natural acid in rain with the alkalies present in the soil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 06:09:19 No.34699874 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695372
Psychic type is the type of not only only cosmic and space forces, but also mystical and mental energies such as chakra. It's believed in certain traditional asian spiritual practices that control of chakra flow can be used to purge the body of impurities and enhance healing (healing being something Psychic is also good at).

You see this kind of shit all over anime, I'm surprised this didn't occur to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 06:11:33 No.34699882 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694707
Too much poison can ruin aquatic environments, but too little poison just means the water dilutes the poison. So yeah, they're neutral toward each other, makes sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 06:14:39 No.34699904 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696020
Steel type isn't just metal, it's machines and artifice. Mental powers don't affect that which was never alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 06:23:04 No.34699949 Report

Quoted By:

>>34699632
Is water actually broken or are you salty that the ridiculous amount of water-types naturally leads to some being busted? Either that or you're a whiny icefag. The only thing I see being retarded is Scald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 06:33:35 No.34700005 Report

Quoted By: >>34700121

>>34695609
Psychic-type's weaknesses are all related to FEAR, I don't understand why people don't understand this. Fear is the most effective of primal instincts at ruining one's mental concentration.
Ghost is a fear of the supernatural, of the dead, of the unknown.
Dark is the fear of literal evil and the acts perpetrated by evil. Dark is also the type of trickery and deceit, which would explain Psychic's inability to affect dark types, along with another angle through which Dark can attack Psychic.
Bug is the common fear of or uneasiness around insects, arachnids and other arthropods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 07:05:52 No.34700121 Report

Quoted By: >>34701779

>>34700005
But then explain why Psychic isn't weak to Dragon.
Dragons are scary in their own right, but fear of large, carnivorous reptiles is something that is literally encoded into the mammalian brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 07:15:00 No.34700148 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694662
Awkward Zombie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 07:33:53 No.34700201 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695673
have ice resist fairy for the same reason fire does

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 07:37:03 No.34700211 Report

Quoted By:

>>34696020
uri geller didn't really bend the spoon. He just sort of rubbed his fingers on the spoons until the joint was soft. He was using a fire type technique

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO Lord Adorable.jpg, 42KiB, 459x314

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 07:48:39 No.34700264 Report

Quoted By:

>>34694612
Yes.
It died.
I became very sad.
I gave it a burial, then fortified the position with a tomb.
That made me feel less sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 10:03:41 No.34700668 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695609
Some of these are correct but most are slightly wrong.

>Bug
Psychic - Effective due to fear of insects, one of the biggest phobias which is all in the mind.
Grass - Bugs eat grass.
Dark - In Japan, a lot of superheros have a bug theme, Dark type is called Evil type, so they fight evil.
>Dark
Ghost - Dark type in Japan is Evil type and a spirit can be corrupted by darkness/evil
Psychic - Evil thoughts can effect the mind, it can also been seen as being afraid of the dark.
>Dragon
correct.
>Electric
Flying - Paralyze a bird in the air and it cannot fly.
Water - Correct.
>Fairy
Dark - Magic/Light VS Evil/Darkness
Dragon - Fairies and Dragons are seen in fairytales, magical weapons can kill dragons, I think that's where they were going with it.
Fighting - Correct.
>Fighting
Dark - Correct. Can also been seen as good vs evil.
Ice - Correct, though it shouldn't be, try punching a glacier and see what happens.
Normal - A normal person VS a fighter, a fighter would win.
Rock - Like Ice, it shouldn't be.
Steel - Correct.
>Fire
All correct but that was obvious.
>Flying
Bug - Correct.
Fighting - Correct.
Grass - Ah no...birds/winged creatures live in trees, use leafs and twigs to make nest and often eat plants.
>Ghost
Ghost - Correct.
Psychic - Fear of ghosts and the supernatural.
>Grass
Ground - Correct.
Rock - Correct.
Water - Correct.
>Ground
Electric - Correct.
Fire - Sand/dirt gets thrown on flames to put them out.
Poison - Correct.
Rock - Correct.
Steel - Correct.
>Ice
Dragon - Correct.
Flying - No...Birds don't fly in snow, ice grows on their wings making it impossible to fly.
Grass - Ice covers plants and cold can kill them.
Ground - Doesn't make much sense but I guess ice covers the ground and extreme cold can damage the earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 10:08:27 No.34700685 Report

Quoted By:

>>34695619

>Normal
Nothing because, their plain, simple and 'normal' and cause 'normal' damage.
>Poison
Grass - Correct.
Fairy - Correct.
>Psychic
Fighting - Correct.
Poison - Correct.
>Rock
Bug - Yes but I don't think it should be since a lot of bugs live under rocks.
Fire - Correct.
Flying - Correct and also the saying "Two birds, one stone"
Ice - Correct but again, it shouldn't be, throw a rock at a glacier and it won't do much.
>Steel
Fairy - Correct.
Ice - Correct, mostly, drills can break through ice.
Rock - Correct.
>Water
Fire - Obvious.
Ground - Correct.
Rock - Correct though not that much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 16:07:47 No.34701762 Report

Quoted By:

>>34698898
>pokemon is serious business

Kill yourself my dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2018 16:09:55 No.34701779 Report

Quoted By:

>>34700121
Because dragons aren't real, human fear of snakes is definitely encoded but dragon type is far more broad than just reptiles

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Verified Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Manager Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts Only Founder Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images Only Spoiler Images Only Non-Spoiler Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

On these archives

Your latest searches