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Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:37:57 No.34748252 View View Reply Original Report

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Are these rankings accurate, /vp/?

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:38:52 No.34748261 Report

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ha ha i don't really know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:39:47 No.34748267 Report

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>>34748252
Snake wife should be higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:48:14 No.34748299 Report

Quoted By: >>34748309 >>34751235

>>34748252
>Lando-T is in its own seperate rank
>people still don't believe it should be suspected.
I think the people who let Lando-T do what it does without any sort of retaliation are Brawl players because only those guys are stubborn enough to not look at a gaping wound and do nothing about it.

Anyways for the most par it is pretty accurate. Heatran, Kartana and Toxapex are excellent Pokemon that do their job well.
A+ is accurate, tho I would advocate Zygarde for S-
A is good
A- is fine except for Poopa-U. It could get bumped down to B+ since Poopa is a stallbreaker and stall is basically on life support right now.

Everything else is fine, except for Lycanroc-Dusk. That thing needs to fuck off to Unranked. Yeah it has an extremely small niche in killing Pinsir and Volcarona, but thats literally all it does and then it dies. There are better Pokemon in the viabilitiy rankings that can take on those Pokemon, and at least do another thing before they kick it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:48:16 No.34748300 Report

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>Mega Latios in the same rank as Latios
>Bothe ranked higher than Mega Latias, which is ranked higher than Latias
How times change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:52:14 No.34748309 Report

Quoted By: >>34748315

>>34748299
Where did carrot doggo hurt you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:53:57 No.34748315 Report

Quoted By: >>34748323

>>34748309
It didn't, sine I'm neither a Volcarona nor a Pinsir. it just needs to not be in the rankings anymore. It was cute at first but it literally has only one job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:54:50 No.34748322 Report

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>>34748252
Hawlucha should be A+

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:54:57 No.34748323 Report

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>>34748315
You disgust me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 19:58:04 No.34748340 Report

Quoted By: >>34748399

>>34748252
>At one point in ORAS OU, M-Altaria was S rank
>now its barely hanging by a thread in viability

Damn you power creep!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:15:45 No.34748399 Report

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>>34748340
>buzzwole was A+ rank at one point in SM
>is now unranked
wtf powercreep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:27:44 No.34748451 Report

Quoted By: >>34748466

>>34748252
when did rotom become so shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:29:50 No.34748466 Report

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>>34748451
THOUSAND ARROWS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:43:46 No.34748546 Report

Quoted By: >>34748570

>>34748252
Hawlucha too high. Bulu too low. Greninja too high. Gyarados too low. Mantine too low. Garchomp too high. Heracross way too high. Mamoswine too low. Thundurus too low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:47:56 No.34748570 Report

Quoted By: >>34748608

>>34748546
>Hawlucha too high
lol it's like the best sweeper in the tier currently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:53:19 No.34748608 Report

Quoted By: >>34748654

>>34748570
No. Kart and Ash-Gren are better. Lucha is good but is held back by only being effective one time. It can't come in early or mid game and if it can't sweep it is dead weight since its answers aren't easy to wear down. It only works vs. retards who play brainless HO instead of glorious Balance.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 20:59:27 No.34748654 Report

Quoted By: >>34748686 >>34748710 >>34749019

>>34748608
kartana is not a sweeper

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:04:09 No.34748686 Report

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>>34748654
Kartana is a sweeper

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Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:07:20 No.34748710 Report

Quoted By: >>34748828

>>34748654

both of its viable sets can sweep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:22:21 No.34748828 Report

Quoted By: >>34748954 >>34749058

>>34748710
SD is a breaker
Scarf is a cleaner

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:24:32 No.34748846 Report

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>>34748686
only the meme timid set is

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:28:47 No.34748882 Report

Quoted By: >>34748941

>>34748252
>Mamoswine
>B-
Yeah, no, that's way too low for something that can beat 3/4 of S(or 4/5 if Koko is ever going to be bumped) on top of most of A.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:34:45 No.34748941 Report

Quoted By: >>34749018

>>34748882
I've been using mamo a lot lately and it really struggles at times, even when it theoretically beats 4/6 of the opponents team.
You end up in lots of shitty 50/50s deciding between eq and icicle crash and it gets worn down so easily with LO.
Though it should definitely be B rank at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:36:26 No.34748954 Report

Quoted By: >>34748970

>>34748828

>cleaners can't be sweepers
>breakers can't be sweepers

does a pokémon have to have dragon dance to be a sweeper? is pinsir not a sweeper because it's a breaker? is de zygarde not a breaker because it's a sweeper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:38:47 No.34748970 Report

Quoted By: >>34748997

>>34748954
breakers and cleaners CAN sweep, but that doesn't make them dedicated sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:43:55 No.34748997 Report

Quoted By: >>34749019 >>34752077

>>34748970

no one cares about semantics autist. how you choose to define kartana's role doesn't change he fact that it can consistently sweep, allowing it to fill the role of a win condition, meaning the comparison between it and hawlucha wasn't invalid.

why didn't you say anything about ash-gren? it's a breaker, not a sweeper, so shouldn't you be crying about ash-gren being. described as a sweeper? or is it a sweeper more than a breaker? it just incidentally breaks while it's primary role is sweeping? stop being retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:46:30 No.34749018 Report

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>>34748941
Yeah it's not an easy mon to use, but it despite that it rarely doesn't put in work. It's not like other high ranked Pokemon like Ash Grenigger don't have similar problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:46:36 No.34749019 Report

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>>34748997
you're assuming I'm this guy >>34748654 when I'm not

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:49:26 No.34749047 Report

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>he isn't using Metronome Mamoswine

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Jan 2018 21:50:45 No.34749058 Report

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>>34748828
Yeah you're right but Kart is so broken it sweeps just as well with these sets as a dedicated sweeper does. Technically the shitty Timid Kart set is a sweeper though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 00:17:59 No.34750339 Report

Quoted By: >>34750360 >>34750402

Dorito dog shouldn't be OU as it's furfag shit. Needs to be in PU or an entirely new tier lower than PU, only reserved for Lycanroc as it's a shitmon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 00:20:55 No.34750360 Report

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>>34750339
True. Lycanroc only serves to be furfag bait and has no actual purpose in the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 00:26:49 No.34750402 Report

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>>34750339
new tier, FU(UUUUUUUUUUUUUCK)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 02:27:16 No.34751130 Report

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>>34748252
will araquanid be UU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 02:33:49 No.34751159 Report

Quoted By: >>34751272 >>34751284 >>34751953

>alomomola
>gastrodon
>mantine
>quagsire
>araquanid
>hippowdon
>hydrogen
>mega manectric
>marowak
>shuckle
>alakazam
>mega camerupt
>crawdaunt
>mega gallade
>muk
>nidoking
>qwilfish
>mega sharpedo
>uxie
>mega aerosmith
>azelf
>lycanroc
>scoliosis

What are these even doing here? Are they really that good? I thought they were shitty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 02:47:09 No.34751235 Report

Quoted By: >>34752036

>>34748299
>>Lando-T is in its own seperate rank
>>people still don't believe it should be suspected.
Can you give a valid reason, one (uno (1)) single valid reason why Landorus-T should be suspected that does not involve usage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 02:51:53 No.34751272 Report

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>>34751159
The C rank mons and below tend to have tiny, but definitely existent niches. Usually they're good on one very specific type of team and not so great otherwise, or are generally inferior to other options but not entirely outclassed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 02:54:38 No.34751284 Report

Quoted By: >>34751464

>>34751159
lycanroc is only there because it hasn't been deleted yet, only got booted out of the tier recently so that ranking will stick around for a bit

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 03:16:33 No.34751443 Report

Quoted By: >>34751810 >>34751874

didn't want to make a separate thread and i figure yall in here would know best anyway

what do stall teams look like these days? this is for play on cart with friends and anything goes, so obviously dugtrio is open to use for us.
I've heard skarmory has fallen out of favor for zapdos/gliscor but those sound like hipster picks to me (not that i don't love the mons). Wondering if its worth it to run stuff like bulu or fini

are the autofills the same? sable-m, chansey, dug

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 03:21:42 No.34751464 Report

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>>34751284
You don't need to be OU to be on the OU viability rankings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 04:22:05 No.34751810 Report

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>>34751443
This is the standard stall build atm.
>http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/to-f-ck-a-flareon-peaked-at-5-with-2045-elo.3625481/#post-7650961

And here's "classic" stall, just replace kyurem with focus sash dugtrio
>http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/no-duggy-this-time-around-kyurem-hyper-stall-peaked-1-1932.3597847/

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 04:34:07 No.34751874 Report

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>>34751443
Chansey, Sableye, Clefable, Zapdos, Hippowdon, Jirachi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 04:48:02 No.34751953 Report

Quoted By: >>34752021 >>34752202

>>34751159
>alomomola
>gastrodon
>mantine
>quagsire
They're all bulky waters with unique attributes separating them from the 300 other bulky waters.
>araquinid
sticky web + powerful water STAB
>hippowdown
defensive ground type = good
>hydrogen
It's the most abundant element in the universe, of course it's OU
>mega manectric
It's a worse koko with fire coverage
>marowak
trick room
>shuckle
sticky web + stealth rock
>alakazam
magic guard + focus sash + counter
>mega camerupt
>crawdaunt
trick room
>mega gallade
its a worse mega medicham but with dark coverage
>muk
It's a good lele counter
>nidoking
sheer force
>qwilfish
It's a swift swimmer that beats ferrothorn
>mega sharpedo
good late game cleaner with speed boost + strong jaw
>uxie
trick room
>mega aerosmith
dadrock is always popular
>azelf
stealth rock + explosion
>lycanroc
This shouldn't be on this list tbqh
>scoliosis
that shit fucks up your back

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:00:32 No.34752021 Report

Quoted By: >>34752053

>>34751953
Most Camerupts I remember weren't on TR teams. It was just a great mon vs. balance that was also one of the best answers to certain prominent threats like Koko, Scizor, Celesteela, Clef, Ferro, Zapdos, Mawile and both Mags. On paper it actually looks quite good vs about half of the meta, but it gets bodied by HO and has limited switchins, so it doesn't consistently pull its weight. Still kinda good though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:03:10 No.34752036 Report

Quoted By: >>34752048

>>34751235
Let me refer you to this paste bin
https://pastebin.com/JPq6W4eA

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:06:17 No.34752048 Report

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>>34752036
>subtoxic lando

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Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:07:48 No.34752053 Report

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>>34752021
tru though I've seen it used on trick room as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:16:09 No.34752077 Report

Quoted By: >>34752105 >>34752155

>>34748997
>le semantics
A breaker can make it's way through most defensive cores (let's take Kyurem-B form example), while a sweeper may or may not (such as Excadrill or Kartana)

Get it now fucktard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:21:05 No.34752105 Report

Quoted By: >>34752113

>>34752077
Z-Bounce Gyara breaks through defensive cores. Is it not a sweeper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:22:50 No.34752113 Report

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>>34752105
It is, pretty much all breakers can sweep, but not all sweepers are breakers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:26:34 No.34752133 Report

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>>34748252
>lando is not centrali-!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:32:13 No.34752155 Report

Quoted By: >>34752176

>>34752077
And it doesn't matter because Kartana can consistently sweep regardless.

Get it now fucktard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:38:10 No.34752176 Report

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>>34752155
Not really, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Jan 2018 05:43:44 No.34752202 Report

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>>34751953
>>hydrogen
>It's the most abundant element in the universe, of course it's OU

Kek'd

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