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Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:27:49 No.34836089 View View Reply Original Report

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Are these Pokemon distinct enough from each other? Effectively all that makes them different is 5 points in attack and 3 moves (Fake Out, Bullet Seed and Rock Blast)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:29:40 No.34836101 Report

Quoted By: >>34836113 >>34836190 >>34836490

>>34836089
Cinccino's movepool makes it the superior choice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:31:59 No.34836109 Report

Quoted By: >>34836141

>>34836089
Ambipom gets fire punch, ice punch, and thunderpunch. It can act as a lure for certain pokemon that normally use it as set up fodder such as scizor or gliscor in UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:32:55 No.34836113 Report

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>>34836101
this

plus it doesnt look dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:34:46 No.34836118 Report

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>>34836089
They both look pretty strong to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:35:49 No.34836121 Report

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>>34836089
Ambipom's Technician Fake Out is superior. Now with Tail Slap it can do at least 75BP dmg and at best 175BP dmg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:40:04 No.34836129 Report

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>>34836089
Ambipom runs technision because of fake out while cincinno runs skill link because of bullet seed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:42:41 No.34836141 Report

Quoted By: >>34836142 >>34836191 >>34836955

>>34836109
252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Ice Punch vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 291-348 (82.6 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Scizor: 291-343 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:43:07 No.34836142 Report

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>>34836141
pffff

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:52:56 No.34836190 Report

Quoted By: >>34836202

>>34836101
>Cinccins movepool makes it the superior choice
>...just Rock Blast, Bullet Seed and Aqua Tail
>Ambipom has Elemental Punches, Fake Out, Dual Chop, Power-up Punch, Low Kick, Pursuit, Switcheroo and Focus Punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:53:13 No.34836191 Report

Quoted By: >>34836556

>>34836141
252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 354-421 (125.9 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Life Orb Cinccino Tail Slap (5 hits) vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 180-220 (51.1 - 62.5%) -- approx. 60.5% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal
Ambipom gets the guaranteed 2HKO on defensive scizor and OHKOes LO scizor. Cincinno gets 2HKOed by LO scizor and 3HKOed by Bulky scizor. Ambipom also gets the guaranteed 2HKO on Gliscor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Feb 2018 23:54:56 No.34836202 Report

Quoted By: >>34836239 >>34836647

>>34836190
>...just Rock Blast, Bullet Seed and Aqua Tail

That's better than anything Ambipom can pull off

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:02:03 No.34836239 Report

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>>34836202
>That's better than anything Ambipom can pull off
uncluding being able to dent dragons, Pursuit on switch-outs, setting-up with Powerup Punch, subpunching and using Fake Out at twice the damage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:05:31 No.34836248 Report

Quoted By: >>34836257

>>34836089
Same with Machamp and Conkelder. The even both have the same BST. Machamp is a no guard mememon
>inb4 wew dynamic punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:07:42 No.34836257 Report

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>>34836248
>literally machamp's only niche over conkeldurr is noguard dynamicpunch
>confusion nerf
GF actually hates Machamp so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:08:34 No.34836263 Report

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>>34836089
Ambipom has also Dual Chop and Ice Punch, in other words it's able to dent Dragon-types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:21:59 No.34836319 Report

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>>34836257
what nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:25:03 No.34836335 Report

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GUYS I FUCKING DID IT!!!

I OHKO'd a Naganadel with a Dual Chop! xDDDD

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:27:19 No.34836347 Report

Quoted By: >>34836497

>>34836319
instead of proccing 50% of the time, it was reduced to 30 or 25%, I forget which

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:39:11 No.34836413 Report

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>>34836239
Yes to everything besides STABless 100 AtK pursuit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:55:05 No.34836490 Report

Quoted By: >>34836495 >>34836553

>>34836101
wrong. ambipom is uu, cinccino is not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:55:35 No.34836495 Report

Quoted By: >>34836528 >>34836579 >>34837838

>>34836490
Ambipom is not legitimately UU, it was spammed by a Youtuber and his personal army

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:55:41 No.34836497 Report

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>>34836347
The exact numbers are unclear because it's hard to test because confusion is RNG but the general accepted one is 30% or 33% (basically nerfed from 1/2 to 1/3)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 00:59:29 No.34836528 Report

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>>34836495
t. cinccino

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:03:17 No.34836553 Report

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>>34836490
And? it's dropping right back down during the next few months or becoming a D ranked meme like domphan and arcanine, the fact that it got to UU isn't really important since aim could've done the same thing with cinccino

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:03:52 No.34836556 Report

Quoted By: >>34836607

>>34836191
0 SpA Life Orb Technician Cinccino Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 196 SpD Gliscor: 239-286 (67.8 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
0 SpA Life Orb Technician Cinccino Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 136 SpD Scizor: 244-291 (71.1 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:07:43 No.34836579 Report

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>>34836495
>>34836553
t. smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:11:42 No.34836607 Report

Quoted By: >>34836685

>>34836556
You can't have two HP types on one pokemon. You also have to run technician to get those 2hkoes, which reduces the efficacy of its multi hit moves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:19:46 No.34836647 Report

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>>34836202
like hitting steel types?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 01:26:41 No.34836685 Report

Quoted By: >>34836970

>>34836607
Technician is better for Fake Out spam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:00:21 No.34836919 Report

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>>34836089
Fling Pickup Flinch Ambipom Linoone combo

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:01:52 No.34836927 Report

Quoted By: >>34836934

>>34836089
Cinccino better Skill Link abuser
Ambipom better Technician abuser

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:03:07 No.34836934 Report

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>>34836927
thirty-first post best post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:05:48 No.34836955 Report

Quoted By: >>34837819 >>34838028

>>34836141
>252 Atk Life Orb Ambipom Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Scizor: 291-343 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Slugma Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Scizor: 192-228 (108.4 - 128.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
One shotting Scizor with fire isn't impressive anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:07:45 No.34836970 Report

Quoted By: >>34836997

>>34836685
Cinccino can't learn Fake Out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 02:11:02 No.34836997 Report

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>>34836970
Which is why you don't run Technician on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 04:25:12 No.34837819 Report

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>>34836955
except steel types are the usual switch ins vs physical normal types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 04:28:12 No.34837838 Report

Quoted By: >>34838042

>>34836495
>uu by usage in a usage based tiering supported by smogon
>not legitimate
i mean at least we agree smogon tiering is irrelevant and not legitimate to pokemon and that you have double standards when you smogondrones approve the pokemon usage boosting because of a clickbait rmt in the forums like the slaking ditto one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 04:29:43 No.34837847 Report

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If you think these 2 bussy queens are similar, compare Beautifly and Mothim.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 04:56:26 No.34838000 Report

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>>34836089
Cinccino only has the King's Rock set over Ambipom and while lacking strong coverage and way to deal with Steel types, even 2/3 of its usable Skill Link attacks don't have perfect accuracy.
Ambipom can also NP but that's a meme now.
As much as I hate its line it is better than Cinccino still, also Gen 5 mons barely have movepools in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 05:02:41 No.34838028 Report

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>>34836955
You're a fucking moron. Who the hell is switching in Scizor into a fire type? The whole point of using Ambipom is to bait in the Scizor switch, because as a physically defensive steel type, it matches up great against physically offensive normal types.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 05:05:31 No.34838042 Report

Quoted By: >>34838243

>>34837838

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 05:47:34 No.34838243 Report

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>>34838042
gets proven by facts
replies with a meme instead of an argument
i mean, i'm not even surprised by all this damage control every time smogon is caught being retarded or exposed

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