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What's the difference?

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:14:31 No.34840853 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34840975 >>34840997 >>34841054 >>34841151 >>34841195 >>34841266 >>34842207 >>34844420 >>34844435

>m-muh difficulty curve is ruined by this optional thing that I can turn off at any time!

Is any game where you can change difficulty at any time automatically ruined for you? How difficult is it to just turn something off if it somehow ruins your whole experience?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:37:29 No.34840975 Report

Quoted By: >>34841025 >>34843345

>>34840853
This.

I get so peeved when people complain about the games being too easy when they purposefully over level and insist on keeping on the exp share.

And to those that complain about it being the developers job to rebalance the game instead of the player handicapping themselves, isn't choosing hard difficulty over easy handicapping?
>Hurr durr, the developers should balance their game, not give me difficulty options

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:40:44 No.34840997 Report

Quoted By: >>34841096 >>34842276

>>34840853
>turn it off
>still overleveled
Exp share was never the problem. It was always capture Exp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:45:47 No.34841025 Report

Quoted By: >>34841163

>what's the difference between an option explicitly shown to the player before starting the game and a random tool in the game that GF fanboys randomly decide is a difficulty switch?

Gee I don't fucking know anon. Try using that puny brain of yours. Next you're going to argue that using the Pokemon Center is actually a super secret difficulty switch right?

>>34840975
>WAAAAH WHY DO PEOPLE ADVANTAGEOUS TOOLS IN VIDEO GAMES WAAAAAAH

>isn't choosing hard difficulty over easy handicapping?
Technically yes but 1. the player is actually aware of it and 2. the developers are consciously balancing the game around it. You have to be a moron if you don't understand the difference between tangible explicit difficulty modes that the developers very intentionally put in the game themselves and the player awkwardly trying to balance the difficulty in the middle of the game themselves in a completely arbitrary fashion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:46:06 No.34841027 Report

Quoted By: >>34841040

Honestly I think Pokemon has a terrible battle system for being too difficult anyways. It's overly simplistic. I can't outplay a pokemon outspeeding me and one shotting me, there aren't really tools to prevent this from happening in game. Here's everything you can do in Pokemon when you hit a brick wall of difficulty.

-Change your movesets? This is really only viable late game, when you have access to a variety of good TMs and at least four pokemon with good enough movepools to even do anything with. Usually not helpful.

-Change your team? This doesn't work, it isn't a solution. Capturing and training a new pokemon is more time consuming, more tedious, and less rewarding than just grinding.

-Get some held items. Again, this usually isn't an option anyways. All the good held items like a Focus Sash or Assault Vest are kept late game anyways behind the Battle Tree or something so you couldn't use them.

Not one of these solutions is more practical or faster than just grinding exp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:48:00 No.34841040 Report

Quoted By: >>34841074

>>34841027
>I can't
Keywords.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:50:35 No.34841054 Report

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>>34840853
All EXP Share does is speed up level grinding. It does nothing to fix poor AI, Pokemon having low IVs or competent teams with well rounded strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:53:12 No.34841074 Report

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>>34841040

Neither can you, that's how the game works. Either your guys are strong, fast, or tough enough to get the job done or they just aren't. Still, there's almost never a solution to difficulty in pokemon that makes more sense to utilize than just leveling up. The game's shouldn't be overly difficult, because it would just turn into a grindfest. EXP is how you solve problems in this game.

The only reason that isn't true against human players is because we play with pokemon that are the same level. We also use strategies that for some reason after 20 years nobody in actual Gamefreak games do. Opponents don't switch out, they barely ever use held items, hell they usually don't even do anything besides use attacking moves. The AI in these games is so simplistic and basic, combined with a very basic and simplistic battle system, that yes, you generally don't outplay anyone in Pokemon PvE.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 18:56:38 No.34841096 Report

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>>34840997

How much did you grind? I fought almost every trainer, but didn't do too much wild pokemon battles, and when I got to poni islands even wild pokemon were like 3-5 levels above me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:05:44 No.34841151 Report

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>>34840853
That we lack hard difficulty.

The exp share on is braintumored child-tier
diffuculty aka ''easy''
''The exp share was turned off'' is normal.
We lack an hard mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:07:39 No.34841163 Report

Quoted By: >>34841199

>>34841025
>I van't recognize the dame option because it's in different places
>Gee I don't fucking know anon. Try using that puny brain of yours.
Have you tried using yours?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:10:57 No.34841187 Report

Quoted By: >>34841214 >>34842132

>/vp/ makes a game
>the player starts with a sword that does 10 damage
>shortly into the first level you're given a sword that does 100 damage
>every other sword in the game only does 20-50 damage
>they get someone to playtest it
>playtester finishes the game

>playtester: "well the game was ok, but it was way too easy since I had a 100 damage sword and all the enemies only had 80 hp at most"
>/vp/: "IF IT WAS TOO EASY WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST STOP USING THE SWORD?"
>playtester: "why would I stop using it if all the other swords do less damage?"
>/vp/: "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DIFFICULTY SWITCH, IF YOU FOUND IT TOO EASY YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED USING IT"
>playtester: "how was I supposed to know that? I assumed the game would get harder eventually, which is why I kept using the 100 damage sword. If you wanted difficulty options, couldn't you just put that as a regular option at the beginning of the game?"
>/vp/: "duuurrrr uhhhh I dunno it's not my job to balance the game!"

This is how retarded EXP share apologists sound. It's blatant terrible game design. Nothing less, nothing more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:12:52 No.34841195 Report

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>>34840853
>turning exp share off

>not keeping it on and cycling thru like 18 different pokemon in your party

This is the fun solution to the exp share EZ-mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:13:10 No.34841199 Report

Quoted By: >>34841291

>>34841163
The EXP share isn't a difficulty option though. It's an item. There is no difficulty option anywhere in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:15:21 No.34841214 Report

Quoted By: >>34841243

>>34841187
literally the first thing I did when I got the gen VI exp share was to turn it off. IIRC they even tell you it can be turned off and on? Bad analogy.

Don't get me wrong, I wish they used it as an excuse to make the game harder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:17:12 No.34841225 Report

Quoted By: >>34841300

I've never played with the exp share on. I consider that to be easy mode because Pokemon never used to have it.

We need a means of playing with an actual hard mode. It annoys me when people tell me to turn off exp share because the very implication I'd have it on in the first place is insulting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:19:11 No.34841243 Report

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>>34841214
>literally the first thing I did when I got the gen VI exp share was to turn it off.
Good for you. 99% of other people didn't do that.

>IIRC they even tell you it can be turned off and on?
So? The player has no incentive to turn it off because it's a free advantage.

>Bad analogy.
It's quite a perfect analogy actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:21:39 No.34841266 Report

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>>34840853
You have to be braindead to not get the perfect difficulty in any pokemon game.

If the game is too hard grind. If the game is too easy turn off any exp. share, avoid optional battles, and or start a new team.

People expect the game to automatically adjust to their desired difficulty magically which is bullshit.

The only legitimate complaint about difficulty is AI. It’s trash. Which is excuseable for wild pokemon and random trainers but not for gym leaders and elite 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:24:37 No.34841291 Report

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>>34841199

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:25:53 No.34841300 Report

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>>34841225
>because Pokemon never used to have it.
Well, it kinda had it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 19:27:39 No.34841312 Report

Quoted By: >>34842117 >>34842282 >>34844710

Most babbys who say the game is easy dont even know that there is shift and set. Ignore them, they are just too stupid to listen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:36:30 No.34842117 Report

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>>34841312
this is another very good point. There is more than one toggle that affects difficulty (THAT IS TOGGLE, NOT RADICAL GAMEPLAY CHANGE) and people complain that it's too easy when they play shift and exp share on and never swapping out their team at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:38:00 No.34842132 Report

Quoted By: >>34842254

>>34841187
this is a super shitty example. A different example is the golden leaf in mario 3d world. It makes you invincible for the whole level, but you don't have to take it. This is like always taking it and then whining because no enemy could kill you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:48:25 No.34842207 Report

Quoted By: >>34842209

>>34840853
The difference is that the EXP Share doesn't stop you from leveling up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:49:28 No.34842209 Report

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>>34842207
yea, hard mode on xcom doesn't stop you from leveling up... what's your point

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:55:55 No.34842254 Report

Quoted By: >>34842288

>>34842132
>this is a super shitty example.

Nope. It's the exact same fucking thing. Your example is shitty because the golden leaf only appears in Mario games if you die a number of times on the same level. In Pokemon the EXP Share is handed right to you and there's no incentive for any average player to turn it off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:57:58 No.34842276 Report

Quoted By:

>>34840997
Retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:58:27 No.34842282 Report

Quoted By:

>>34841312
>Most babbys who say the game is easy dont even know that there is shift and set.

[citation needed]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 21:59:14 No.34842288 Report

Quoted By: >>34842322

>>34842254
game freak isn't handing you a level 100 pokemon. Literally the only difference is that the exp share is opt out (see how the target audience is small children) while other difficulty methods are opt in. Just because it's not at the start menu doesn't mean it isn't a difficulty option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Feb 2018 22:03:08 No.34842322 Report

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>>34842288
>Literally the only difference is that the exp share is opt out
Just like how the 100 damage sword is opt out. I don't see your point.

>Just because it's not at the start menu doesn't mean it isn't a difficulty option.
Nope. If it's not an explicit option it's not a difficulty setting. It's just you being a retarded apologist and trying to act like a broken game item is somehow a secret difficulty switch. It's about as retarded as suggesting that using potions is a difficulty setting or that catching more than 3 pokemon is a difficulty setting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 00:05:25 No.34843345 Report

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>>34840975
This is not a difficulty setting unless you're retarded.

You shouldn't program things into your game if you intend players to not use them. It's a complete waste of your time. Time you could've spent programming other features you actually intend them to use or simply save by releasing the game earlier since you've less you actually need to program.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 02:23:19 No.34844334 Report

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Would any of this had happened if the exp share had come to you off instead of on?
Would that make everyone happy if The Switch Title has it given to you already off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 02:29:19 No.34844368 Report

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People who cry about EXP share are the biggest faggots on /vp/.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 02:38:49 No.34844420 Report

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>>34840853
EXP share was never the problem. Autist Poketubers said it was and their followers began to parrot those statements

The real problem was the retarded AI and poor IVs and EVs of boss trainers, and the low Pokemon count trainers had in general. And then there's Gamefreak doing this bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 02:40:53 No.34844435 Report

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>>34840853
I played XY 4 times once with exp.share + amie,just exp.share,just amie,neither. With the same team everytime, while without anything it was harder not by much and if you fight most trainers you will still be 5+ above everything, shiton of bosses don't even have four moves. this is how it should be
>Easy:Tyrunt+Amura
>Normal:Amura+Tyrunt+Carbink
>Hard:Carbink+Tyrunt+Aero

Carbink(22-25)
-Stealth rock(Hard)
-Reflect
-Light screen
-Rock tomb

Amura(20-25)
-Echo Voice
-Ancinet power
-Thunder wave
-Freeze-dry(hard)

Tyrunt(20-25)
-Bite
-Rock tomb
-Dragon tail
-Dragon dance(hard)

Aero(26)
-Pursuit
-Rock tomb
-Aerial Ace
-Hone claws

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 Feb 2018 03:19:09 No.34844710 Report

Quoted By:

>>34841312
>pick Set
>now you're heavily incentivized to just sweep with your strongest pokemon since switching means the switch in will just eat a hit

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