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Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 09:31:33 No.34892857 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>34892963 >>34893138 >>34893151 >>34893464 >>34893487 >>34893521 >>34893532 >>34893539 >>34893550 >>34893616 >>34895129 >>34895442

Healing moves like Roost, Wish and Recover, only heal by 25%. Leftovers only heal by 1/32. Regenerator only heals by 10%. Eviolite only raises Def/Sp.Def by 10%. Poison Heal only heals by 1/16. Grassy Terrain only heals by 1/32. Rest keeps Pokemon asleep for 4 turns.

How does this affect the meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 10:22:07 No.34892963 Report

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>>34892857
why nerf rest? No one was using it anyway.

Regardless good changes fuck stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 11:49:44 No.34893138 Report

Quoted By: >>34893460

>>34892857
T. Someone who somehow lost to Stall on showdown after the Arena Trap ban

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 11:54:48 No.34893151 Report

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>>34892857
Hope you like playing against quad-voltturn HO every game because that's all that's going to be left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 12:59:32 No.34893372 Report

Quoted By: >>34893505

I do agree regenerator needs a nerf. It is one of the most broken abilities and people won't acknowledge it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:32:40 No.34893460 Report

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>>34893138
t.stallfeg

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:34:00 No.34893464 Report

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>>34892857
Much more pokemon become unusable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:40:10 No.34893487 Report

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>>34892857
Healing wish users might be more popular, as would strong Drain Punch/Giga Drain/etc users, and special attackers would rejoice the death of the Chansey line. More Pokémon will need berries than ever and eviolite will fall out of play entirely.

Venusaur-M would be baller.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:45:19 No.34893505 Report

Quoted By: >>34893516

>>34893372

This, or it should have been given to frailer pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:47:51 No.34893516 Report

Quoted By: >>34895472

>>34893505
All Pokémon with 4x Rock weakness

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:48:41 No.34893521 Report

Quoted By: >>34893537 >>34893542 >>34893581

>>34892857
how about just drop healing move pp to 5 like synthesis/moonlight/etc already have

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:50:41 No.34893532 Report

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>>34892857
>How does this affect the meta?
I would expect a playstyle that does a lot of chip damage to become the norm combined with late game sweepers and a lot of voltturning (which essentially is chip damage)
maybe more spike setters and defoggers, too

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:52:00 No.34893537 Report

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>>34893521
I like this, but keep Rest as it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:53:21 No.34893539 Report

Quoted By: >>34893563

>>34892857
How do your changes affect moonlight, synthesis, shore up etc?

How much would they restore in their respective weather cons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:53:50 No.34893542 Report

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>>34893521
or make them fail if you're above 50% of HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:54:20 No.34893544 Report

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That'd be pretty bad for all singles metas. Wall breakers and walls would be gone. All you'd have would be bulky pivots and regular old attackers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:55:48 No.34893550 Report

Quoted By: >>34893575

>>34892857
>How does this affect the meta?
probably just mindlessly mashing attacks to keep damage output as high as possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 13:58:13 No.34893563 Report

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>>34893539
They all do half of what they used to in their special conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:01:07 No.34893575 Report

Quoted By: >>34893599

>>34893550
That wouldn't be mindless, putting out the right pokemon, sacrificing the right pokemon, predicting in order to get your opponent in position for a sweep. Stall is what's mindless, just switching in what Pokemon you know will barely take any damage from what pokemon your opponent has out, and if they switch, you can just to what blocks it again and then use a status move when they switch out since they can't do any damage to your wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:02:08 No.34893581 Report

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>>34893521
That would still be too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:08:12 No.34893599 Report

Quoted By: >>34893646

>>34893575
I dont even play stall, ut use one or two walls in a team normally. if you reduce recovery that much you might end up never having a reliably switch in for many pokemon and alll battles will be decided by the lead match up since you can never gain back momentum

>just switching in what Pokemon you know will barely take any damage from what pokemon your opponent has out
you know you can double switch right?
now it actuallly does sound like you just spam attacks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:12:13 No.34893616 Report

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>>34892857
Everything that isn't HO is unviable since walls become so shit that it's pointless to have them on your team.
UU bans nearly everything to BL Hell since the last scraps of their favor play style is beaten by pretty much everything. BL Hell is larger than all tiers combined.
Every team is now required to have a Pokemon with already insane speed scarfed to revenge kill anything.
Landorus-T and Primal Groudon become even more dominant as they become the objectively best defensive Pokemon.
Pain Split. Drain Moves, Water Asorb (and its counterparts), and Chestoresto (especially on Zygarde) become the only viable way to recover health.
Zygarde becomes near unstoppable in Ubers by getting free 50% apon transforming and rest, Xerneas is almost a guaranteed win late game with nothing to stop Geomancy.
Lugia and Giratina drop to D rank in Ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:19:46 No.34893646 Report

Quoted By: >>34893689

>>34893599
There is no such thing as "mindlessly mashing attacks" in Pokemon. You use a strategy that tries to make you win, sacrificing certain pokemon to get in a free switch, leaving a pokemon alive just to take certain hit later on etc and all types of other strats. Every move you make comes with some thought. Some teams just require much less thought, like Stall or Baton Pass. And I brought up double switching in my post, even if you do, they will just switch again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 14:29:08 No.34893689 Report

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>>34893646
I'm not trying to defend stall, it's a cancer strategy, but I do think that walls as singular pokemon should be okay. stall as a whole strategy can be nerfed in other ways for example making status moves not as widespread so stall mons can end up as set up bait. it makes no sense for every pokmeon to learn toxic and t-wave anyways

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 20:06:17 No.34895129 Report

Quoted By: >>34895198 >>34896844 >>34897222 >>34897508

>>34892857
>no leech seed nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 20:17:38 No.34895198 Report

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>>34895129
Celesteela dindu nuffin

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 21:08:00 No.34895442 Report

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>>34892857
Bulky offense, Balance, and Stall are now dead.
The meta becomes HO and spikestack cancer.
The only viable pokemon are setup sweepers, scarfers, suicide leads, and fast shit like koko.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 21:12:14 No.34895472 Report

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>>34893516
like ho-oh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Feb 2018 22:14:15 No.34895849 Report

Quoted By: >>34896859

Honestly, only super tanks would be removed from the meta. Most of everything else would be normal. All you changed was healing, and not every Pokemon heals. Hell, not even a third of Pokemon run roost, recover, or the like 100% of the time. The meta would adapt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 01:20:29 No.34896844 Report

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>>34895129
I'm ok with leech seed and draining moves since they also deal damage. So the game is going forward towards it's end or staying the same, rather than going backwards by someone regaining hp they lost. Ingrain and Aqua Ring also need a nerf.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 01:22:59 No.34896859 Report

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>>34895849
those pokemon with recovery are more important to the meta than generic sweeper #2356421

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 01:24:13 No.34896868 Report

Quoted By: >>34896994

Stall needs a buff, if anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 01:45:35 No.34896994 Report

Quoted By: >>34897247

>>34896868
Careful, the low ladder retards who never run stallbreakers because they're too busy using Arcanine and Snorlax will come to lynch you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 01:58:51 No.34897087 Report

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Here's some No Status battles to see somewhat what it would look like, except Alomomola wouldn't be there because no Regenerator.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nostatus-259646377
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nostatus-259651783
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nostatus-256151635

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 02:10:53 No.34897172 Report

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There's too much offense in Pokemon, so walls with recovery are overcentralizing. If you cut back the multipliers from boost and types, and then nerfed the recovery, stats would do the talking and would make for a much less flow charting singles meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 02:17:58 No.34897222 Report

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>>34895129
Why does the gem on her forehead look like a gigantic blackhead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 02:22:11 No.34897247 Report

Quoted By: >>34897260

>>34896994
>low ladder
>when 1800 and on is stall's gay orgy

The hypocresy, ladies and weebs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 02:24:36 No.34897260 Report

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>>34897247
It's not the dugtrio meta anymore.
Stall is rare and autoloses certain matchups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 03:02:23 No.34897488 Report

Quoted By: >>34897513

stall is fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 03:07:54 No.34897508 Report

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>>34895129
>not making leech seed an entry hazard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 03:08:29 No.34897513 Report

Quoted By: >>34897528

>>34897488
No it's not it's the least fun way to play. Every move is mindless and it barely has any punishment for mistakes, it also takes 200+ turns of doing obvious moves. Needs to be completely banned. I guess it's fun for those who don't want to take risks and who somehow enjoy playing the same game for 2 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 03:12:42 No.34897528 Report

Quoted By: >>34897540

>>34897513
I would rather watch my opponent squirm and struggle to defeat me than degrade this shithole of a meta even further by making it just spamming attacks mindlessly and winning speed tie coinflips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 15 Feb 2018 03:15:36 No.34897540 Report

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>>34897528
>I would rather watch my opponent squirm and struggle to defeat me

Definitely a stallfag. KYS stall is shit and takes no skill or intelligence.

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