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>>35096313
Not him, but you do realize people are referring to Johto when they say that, right? HGSS totally improved on the shitshow that was GSC Kanto, but they left all the problems with Johto intact.

Pic related, one of the last trainers before the league

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:13:38 No.35096480 Report

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>>35096177
>These games are too easy waaaaa
>>oh, sorry about that, let's bump the difficulty
>These games are too hard waaaaa

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:17:07 No.35096504 Report

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>>35096480
I see you made the common mistake of thinking every post on an anonymous imageboard is made by the same person.
It's okay, you're not in trouble. Just make sure it doesn't happen again, alright champ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:17:44 No.35096506 Report

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i can't, you're right

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:21:50 No.35096531 Report

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>>35096480
>bump the difficulty
HGSS was a massive downgrade from Platinum in terms of difficulty, it's just as pathetic as the originals until after you clear Kanto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:22:44 No.35096542 Report

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>>35096480
What difficulty? HGSS is a cakewalk from start to finish

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:23:00 No.35096547 Report

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>>35096177
What are people talking about when they refer to this? Are they referring to the curve being too steep or too easy?

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:23:11 No.35096549 Report

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>>35096163
>no Kris
There, proved you wrong.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:25:05 No.35096564 Report

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>>35096163
>trying to play these games
>have to go in my bag constantly for repels
>stop playing

>>35096177
Will never get this argument desu. The Pokeathlon alone kicks B2W2 in the dick

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:27:14 No.35096570 Report

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White HGSS is the best official game, it gets shit on almost universally by SacredGold & StormSilver. Even more so with the hack that replaces Lyra with Kris.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:28:27 No.35096577 Report

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>>35096480
or they could actually make the games difficult instead of artificially lowering the levels to pad out the postgame 'content'?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:30:06 No.35096586 Report

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>>35096547
Level curve plateaus after the 4th gym, everything is mid-twenties to low-thirties for the rest of the game with the exception of Clair and the league.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:31:21 No.35096589 Report

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>>35096475
Ok I'll try to humor your retardation.

What is the highest leveled pokemon the champion has?

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:31:32 No.35096590 Report

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>>35096547
Too easy. Also the wild Pokemon levels in Kanto are beyond broken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:31:51 No.35096592 Report

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>>35096163
crystal

also shit level curve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:33:51 No.35096606 Report

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>>35096475
actually this is just about right for pokemon league standards. In your average game the trainers in victory road are about 20 levels behind the champions highest, and this is just about right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:34:53 No.35096613 Report

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>>35096590
>wild pokemon

You have got to be fucking kidding me that you actually think this is a valid argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:35:51 No.35096620 Report

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>>35096570
Doesn't this shit give like 6 pokemon to the first gym leader?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:35:57 No.35096621 Report

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>>35096613
Enjoy grinding for 20 hours if you want to add a new member to your team, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:37:36 No.35096628 Report

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>>35096621
That's around Pewter to Pallet, isn't it? At that point you're very, very close to Red. What are you even looking for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:38:00 No.35096631 Report

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>>35096620
Every gym leader has a full team.
Given that you battle the trainers before Violet and since you're forced to go through Sprout Tower anyway, I've found the balance to be just right.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:38:45 No.35096636 Report

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>>35096621
>he uses wild pokemon to level grind pokemon
>in ANY FUCKING POKEMON game
Are you mentally ill?

Who the fuck plays any pokemon game without pre-planning their team anyway?

Also pic related

Seriously fuck off with this shitty meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:40:19 No.35096644 Report

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>>35096631
Is it like those kaizo hacks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:40:26 No.35096645 Report

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>>35096613
Wild Pokemon are an important part of the level curve, and just like the trainers in HGSS, they are appallingly bad. There's no reason to even go into the grass in most of Kanto because there's nothing worth catching or battling in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:41:47 No.35096654 Report

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>>35096636
Yeah it sure was fun restarting the game to change the clock 16 times just to get a few mediocre rematches.

Lily

Lily Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:41:46 No.35096655 Report

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>>35096621
the pokégear exists for a reason anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:41:48 No.35096656 Report

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>>35096631
Uuuugh, nah I hate that, Pokemon is an adventure, it's supposed to be gradual, not forcing that much pokemon on you at the start...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:43:34 No.35096666 Report

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>>35096644
No, everything's appropriately leveled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:44:10 No.35096669 Report

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>>35096655
>implying the pokegear is usable in any way for grinding

>>35096628
>>35096636
That'd be all fine if some johto pokemon weren't locked to postgame, and if the best spot to grind before the league wasn't against level 20 tauros

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Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:46:34 No.35096688 Report

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>play any pokemon game before gen 6
>get to victory road
>trainers are around my level, usually get to around level 45-50 on my pokemon before facing the E4 except in hgss where my pokemon are around 40-45
>champions pokemon are 55-60 except in hgss where they are between 45-50

Seriously what is it with people crying about this shit? They wanted people to do Kanto in generation 2 as part of their experience instead of just confining it to a post-game. Why is it such a huge deal that they lowered the average levels of trainers by around 10 for this specific game only? I'd say the level curve meme applies to Kanto post game in the original gen 2 games but they CLEARLY fixed that shit in Gen 4. And even then in the original gen 2 games, kanto gym leaders were around the same level as the champion so if your team was already established this was a non-issue as long as you fought every gym leader. They even give you a place to grind for red who can be cheesed by abusing type advantages, no seriously LOOK AT HIS FUCKING TEAM ALL YOU NEED IS A GROUND TYPE AT LEVEL 40 TO DEAL WITH HIS PIKACHU. So once again I ask, why is everyone so batshit retarded about this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:49:01 No.35096705 Report

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>>35096669
>Grind before the league
Except you don't need to grind? You've never needed to grind in any game for the pokemon league. The average level gain, even in original GSC is the same as your average pokemon game except for GSC HGSS they decided to lower the level ceiling by around 10 levels to compell the player to do the post game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:49:19 No.35096708 Report

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>>35096669
iirc they fixed the locked Pokemon issue with the Safari Zone. I think the better place to grind is Victory Road too, but I can't recall. The pokewalker helps some of the issues too, and that plus the Safari Zone gives HGSS some of the better distributions. It does require grinding though from what I can remember.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:49:33 No.35096709 Report

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>>35096163
You're right

No Krishit = better game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:50:27 No.35096715 Report

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>>35096645
The problem with your argument is that it applies to literally every other pokemon game, the only reason you're complaining about it on gen 2 however, is because the levels seem lower than usual there for understandable reasons that anyone with a brain will pick up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:53:40 No.35096727 Report

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>>35096705
You do need to grind if you decide to add a new member to your team because the wild pokemon are like 10 levels below your levels at all times past the 5th gym, and it gets even worse in kanto

Lily

Lily Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:55:11 No.35096735 Report

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>>35096727
>what is putting the new pokémon at the top of the list and immediately switching it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:55:13 No.35096736 Report

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>>35096715
No, it doesn't. Most other games at least give you something to add to the Pokedex in late game routes, but HGSS only has that in a few of them. And yes, the levels are lower for obvious reasons, but as they decided not to apply those reasons to the trainers too, it really isn't an excuse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:55:15 No.35096737 Report

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>>35096688
because being focused on low level for the first 7+ gyms means you've been through most of an entire region before some pokemon start getting their reliable, good moves, or even finish evolving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:55:46 No.35096740 Report

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>>35096727
So use the fucking poke gear. Theres absolutely no reason to not use the pokegear for this by the time you're in kanto.

Most people don't even add new members to their team halfway into the game either unless its their first pokemon game, seriously it is such a fucking non-issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 20:57:51 No.35096749 Report

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>>35096736
>they decided to apply those reasons to the trainers too

That was literally debunked right at the beginning of the thread. Are you shitposting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:00:47 No.35096762 Report

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>>35096737
>get earthquake, ice beam, surf, waterfall and a ton of other useful tms like these before the league
>move tutor teaches ice beam, flamethrower, and thunderbolt in crystal
>goldenrod has a store that sells you tms for all the highest tier elemental moves

Seriously what else do you need? this is such an insignificant issue to complain about. Hell even in HGSS they did stuff like give feraligatr ice fang early on his learnset to vary the moves more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:03:19 No.35096770 Report

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>>35096749
Are you illiterate anon? You didn't even quote me properly, try rereading that post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:03:44 No.35096775 Report

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The level curve is these games is a feature desu. You are supposed to be weaker than the E4 so that they pose more of a challenge to you

Other RPG makers would do stuff like tweak the boss AI, give them better items or movesets, and so forth, but I guess they figured children are dumb at pokemon so they opted against it. Gen 2 didn't really have any great items anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:09:23 No.35096804 Report

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>>35096770
sorry I kinda skimmed it but either way it doesn't really make me agree anymore with you because at that point in the game you have a full team of pokemon that makes trainers more than enough to progress naturally

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:14:05 No.35096839 Report

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I can definitely say that they have the best boxart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:16:09 No.35096850 Report

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>>35096564
>The Pokeathlon alone kicks B2W2 in the dick
I too like scratching my touch screen over an optional minigame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:25:14 No.35096910 Report

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>>35096589
any champion with pokemon below level 55 is deeply flawed. Ideally the champion has pokemon all in the 60's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:28:30 No.35096933 Report

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worst trainers
worst distribution

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Mar 2018 21:55:03 No.35097092 Report

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>>35096480
>Trainers with lv10 mons after the 7th gym
>Hard

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Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 00:51:29 No.35098241 Report

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>>35096606
Flat out lie.
This is for B2W2 and iris' pokemon are around the same levels (50-60).
In BW victory road levels are around 45 and N's pokemon are 50-52.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 01:41:28 No.35098493 Report

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>>35098241
BW and BW2 are pretty big exceptions to this argument because of how the EXP works in those games.

Thats why you have pokemon that evolve at like level 50 in that game as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 02:16:23 No.35098688 Report

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>>35096636
HGSS sticks and its Gym Leader rematch system is one of the main reasons why.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 02:28:59 No.35098753 Report

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>>35098493
>BW and BW2 are pretty big exceptions to this argument
They really aren't. Emerald's last trainers in Victory Road had level 43 teams. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, the last trainers in Victory Road had teams between level 42 and 45. In Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, Victory Road trainers had teams between level 45 and level 50.

Heat Gold and Soul Silver's trainer/pokemon distribution was so bad that everything is a slow-paced cakewalk after the 3rd gym.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 02:36:56 No.35098801 Report

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>>35098753
Wallace team is between level 55 and 58
Blue's team is between 57 and 63
Cynthias team is between 61-66

So yes, the difference between victory road trainers and the league itself is pretty fucking big, making HGSS no different just with a lower level ceiling.

Now please do me a favor and stop spreading this shitty fucking meme in an attempt to discredit HGSS as one of the best. The general opinion is that both HGSS and BW2 are the best games either way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 02:41:53 No.35098836 Report

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>>35096163
shit level curve, shit Pokemon selection, shit story, shit characters, shit OST, shit region, shit starters, shit Gen 2 Pokemon, Shit mechanic that only autists want, shit mini-game, lack of any evolution stones in the region you can only get them in Kanto, or farm said shit mini-game for RNG and hope you get what you want.

all around shit. Easily the worst games in the entire franchise, and I'm not fucking kidding or baiting. I literally hate theses games and they're the only ones I stopped not even mid-way through because of how fucking terrible they are. I honestly think anyone who likes these games is a genuine retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 02:49:45 No.35098890 Report

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They would be good if they weren't on the slowest engine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 07:38:34 No.35100065 Report

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>>35098801
Do you not see a trend between the gens upto gen 5? The games generally become harder. Not the case with HGSS. NPCs have poor teams, poor movesets (no STAB or only SpAtk moves when Atk is better for that pokemon) and duplicate pokemon.
Now don't try to excuse them for this by saying they're trying to be faithful. These were faults in the originals that should have been fixed.
In D/P for example, Flint was a fire type E4 and had only 2 fire type pokemon. In Platinum, (which came before HGSS) this was fixed and he was given more fire types and some were added to the game's roster.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 07:39:40 No.35100068 Report

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>>35098801

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Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 07:41:27 No.35100074 Report

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>>35098836

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Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 16:46:33 No.35101618 Report

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>>35098801
neck yourself hgssfag
i don't care about your forced general opinion
read the thread
hgss is shit SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Mar 2018 16:48:26 No.35101630 Report

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>>35096480
are you a retard?

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