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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:11:24 No.35254133 View View Reply Original Report

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I remain of the idea that the image is fake and that the first games for Switch are 8gen games

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:15:17 No.35254138 Report

Quoted By: >>35254144

>>35254133
No one said it wasn't gen 8. It could just be a nod to a route if it's real.
Remember that gen 8 is suppose to have new starters. (If you believe more "credible" rumors)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:16:41 No.35254144 Report

Quoted By: >>35254148 >>35254162 >>35254172

>>35254138
>Remember that gen 8 is suppose to have new starters

Says who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:20:06 No.35254148 Report

Quoted By: >>35254163

>>35254144
I think it was someone on Bulbapedia. Either the dandy squirtle dude or the Winnie the pooh dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:25:31 No.35254162 Report

Quoted By: >>35254166 >>35254331

>>35254144
A lot of legit leakers say so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:26:13 No.35254163 Report

Quoted By: >>35254174

>>35254148
>bulbapedo
>credible

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:28:36 No.35254166 Report

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>>35254162
>legit leakers

such as???

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:30:57 No.35254172 Report

Quoted By: >>35254175 >>35254181

>>35254144
Common sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:31:05 No.35254174 Report

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>>35254163
There are quotations around credible for a reason. To each his own.
He's more believable than others.
Why not state why he isn't credible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:31:27 No.35254175 Report

Quoted By: >>35254178

>>35254172
Piuk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:33:56 No.35254178 Report

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>>35254175
Piuk hasn't been debunked yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:36:17 No.35254181 Report

Quoted By: >>35254193

>>35254172
How is it common sense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:40:57 No.35254193 Report

Quoted By: >>35254199 >>35254203

>>35254181
New gens have new starters anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:42:40 No.35254199 Report

Quoted By: >>35254213 >>35254221 >>35254597 >>35255169 >>35261454

>>35254193
So? Nothing is stopping them from making a new gen without new starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:43:42 No.35254203 Report

Quoted By: >>35254221

>>35254193
Says who?

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:48:22 No.35254213 Report

Quoted By: >>35254223 >>35255160

>>35254199
>new gen without new starters

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:50:42 No.35254221 Report

Quoted By: >>35254229

>>35254199
Well, nothing but marketing. It's already been said that the Pokemon that has the most thought and time put in are the starters. They are one of the main faces of the games and that generation. They can't just keep reusing old Pokemon as starters. If it is Kanto and starters are reused ,that'd be the 5th time players got a Kanto starter.

>>35254203
Every new generation ever.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:50:54 No.35254223 Report

Quoted By: >>35254261 >>35258119

>>35254213
>kanto remake/sequel
>gen 1 starters
>a few new pokemon littered through the region
>new battle mechanics/stats/moves/ability changes and isn't compatible with SM/USUM
>new console
>new ui
>"durrrrr not a new gen because m-m-muh starters"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 09:52:23 No.35254229 Report

Quoted By: >>35254256

>>35254221
>Well, nothing but marketing.
They can market gen 1 starters.

>They can't just keep reusing old Pokemon as starters
Says who?

>Every new generation ever.
Ah so you're a retarded patternfag that didn't learn from the "new pokemon = new gen" fiasco

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 10:00:49 No.35254256 Report

Quoted By: >>35254284

>>35254229
Not continually. You might've skipped over it but it's be the fifth time. "Hey guys nothing new about these guys sans a new move. Choose one...AGAIN!!!"

>Says who?
Oh wow....my points here are destroyed by your powerful argument...

>retarded patternfag that didn't learn from the "new pokemon = new gen" fiasco
Don't categorize me, i never believed that. I don't even think making new starters a generation is a pattern. Its just logic.
Maybe they could do what they did in X and Y but just like X and Y Kanto starters most likely won't be the main starters.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 10:02:55 No.35254261 Report

Quoted By: >>35254284

>>35254223
it's not gonna be this so hurrr hurrr retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 10:06:53 No.35254284 Report

Quoted By: >>35254360 >>35261390

>>35254256
>"Hey guys nothing new about these guys sans a new move. Choose one...AGAIN!!!"
It still appeals to children and nostalgafags so it doesn't matter.

>Oh wow....my points here are destroyed by your powerful argument...
As opposed to your powerful "muh patterns" argument? Wow, great

>Its just logic.
It's not logic if they're fully capable of doing it and still selling millions of copies. By your shitty """logic""" there's no reason not to make a new set of starters for EVERY new set of games instead of just a few.

>>35254261
Says who?

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 10:21:30 No.35254331 Report

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>>35254162
>legit leakers
Christ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 10:30:01 No.35254360 Report

Quoted By: >>35256731

>>35254284
>It still appeals to children and nostalgafags so it doesn't matter.
This is proof that you aren't trying to consider marketing perspectives nor do you truly take in consideration those groups you mentioned . Not sure if children will like repeating the same Pokemon over, and over, and over, and over....and over. Even the nostalgic ones get tired after some time.

>no reason not to make a new set of starters for EVERY new set of games instead of just a few.
I already said why there is a reason...but you somehow flipped it into the above nonsense. Just because you're capable does not mean it's a good idea.
People seem to have gotten tired of gen 7 fairly quickly. Imagine if the reused a region, Pokemon (more than Alolan forms) and starters. You can only do so much to one Pokemon. Mega Evolutions for Kanto starters are enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 11:28:16 No.35254577 Report

Quoted By: >>35255115 >>35256747

Screenshot this so you don't forget.

>that image is real (it's Route 20)
>its from an earlier build of the game
>it's set in Kanto, but it's not a reboot of gen 1
>it takes place at the same time but in an AU where the Team Rocket from Gen 1 wasn't formed
>As such, the story is different
>Locations are generally the same, with a few "new" areas
>there are new pokemon
>HMs aren't back
>Mega Evolution is in the game
>Z-Moves are gone, and replaced by a new gimmick. These new moves can only be used in Mega Evolution.

This is pretty much all I know, except for random tidbits. It'll be displayed at E3, and released late this year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 11:31:59 No.35254597 Report

Quoted By: >>35256707 >>35256731 >>35256738

>>35254199
More like, there's nothing stopping them from going back to Kanto and bringing new starters.

Could even use it as a throwback to Yellow, by having you do side quests to get the originals.

Remember; different timeline and at least 10 years later in the timeline as a whole. There is nothing stopping there from being new Pokémon, with this being the start of Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 13:23:32 No.35255115 Report

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>>35254577
Fake and gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 13:30:29 No.35255160 Report

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>>35254213
If there's a lot of new Pokemon and it's incompatible directly with gen 7 then it's gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 13:32:46 No.35255169 Report

Quoted By: >>35256731

>>35254199
Says who

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 13:36:02 No.35255190 Report

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>>35254133
what a cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 18:37:25 No.35256707 Report

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>>35254597
Especially if gen 8 is supposed to be a reboot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 18:41:18 No.35256731 Report

Quoted By: >>35257521

>>35254360
>Not sure if children will like repeating the same Pokemon over, and over, and over, and over....and over.
They're CHILDREN you retard. Most of them didn't play all those games that had Kanto starters in them.

>I already said why there is a reason
No, you haven't.

>>35254597
>More like, there's nothing stopping them from going back to Kanto and bringing new starters.
The fact that it's Kanto and the starters in Kanto are Kanto starters.

>>35255169
Point me to the law that says "Game Freak must include new starter Pokemon"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 18:42:42 No.35256738 Report

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>>35254597
More like, there's nothing stopping them from not having new starters because not having the nostalgaifag starters in a nostalgiafag game would be fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 18:44:35 No.35256747 Report

Quoted By: >>35257010

>>35254577
>mega evos back
>z moves removed
cry harder megacuck, even GF knew they fucked up with megas, that's why they didn't make more, nor allow them to access the Z moves as too opstronk. Z moves will return, likely as post-game unless the rumours of using the joy-cons to trigger them turn out true, they'll want to show that off from the outset instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 19:25:21 No.35257010 Report

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>>35256747

LEL

I didn't know you were Mentok the Mindtaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 20:38:48 No.35257521 Report

Quoted By: >>35257549

>>35256731
>Most of them didn't play all those games that had Kanto starters in them.
You're right. Most of them haven't. However, children aren't the only ones that buy the games. It'd be naive to market only to children completely ignoring the others. We know about the nostalgia. But again...the fifth time.

>No, you haven't.
Pretty sure I did but if you wanna have selective attention and can't piece it together then that's a you problem.

>The fact that it's Kanto and the starters in Kanto are Kanto starters.
Which is boring to someone who's already played the game. It to mention we just saw Red and Blue. The gen 1 pandering with Alola forms, and we just got Kanto starters last gen.

>Point me to the law that says "Game Freak must include new starter Pokemon"
No law. But you seem to ignore the whole marketing logic thing.
Don't ask what logic and pretend I didn't explain cause it's right above you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 20:42:13 No.35257549 Report

Quoted By: >>35257673

>>35257521
>However, children aren't the only ones that buy the games.
Yes. Nostalgiafags also buy it. Which would appeal to them.

>Pretty sure I did
No, you haven't.

>Which is boring to someone who's already played the game.
You could say the same about literally any remake or upper version they keep shitting out.

>But you seem to ignore the whole marketing logic thing.
I'm ignoring it because it's bad logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 20:58:26 No.35257673 Report

Quoted By: >>35257688

>>35257549
....its not just children and "nostalgiafags"
There are others who play and it. Pretty sure they've been around long enough to notice pandering too.

>No, you haven't.
No. I did. Please read and piece together.

>
You could say the same about literally any remake or upper version they keep shitting out.
Yeah you could. I don't know why they make remakes but I feel like it has something to do with a system becoming obsolete or availability of Pokemon or something. Regardless, with this, children have played some of the lesser generation games.

>I'm ignoring it because it's bad logic.
Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Do you want a Kanto re-remake? Why continue to fight for it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 21:00:27 No.35257688 Report

Quoted By: >>35257764 >>35258209

>>35257673
>Pretty sure they've been around long enough to notice pandering too.
So? Doesn't stop them from doing it, clearly.

>No. I did. Please read and piece together.
No. You haven't. There's nothing to read and piece together.

>I don't know why they make remakes
Because it appeals to children and nostalgiafags which is enough to make them money. Which you keep trying to deny.

>Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't work.
It has nothing to do with whether or not I like it. It's just shitty logic that makes no sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 21:14:52 No.35257764 Report

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>>35257688
>So? Doesn't stop them from doing it, clearly.
No it doesn't. But again. Just cause you can doesn't mean it's a good idea. It seemed to have worked a lot back then but times change.

>No. You haven't. There's nothing to read and piece together.
I'm not helping you here.

>Because it appeals to children and nostalgiafags which is enough to make them money. Which you keep trying to deny.
Didn't deny it more than say that it's not a good idea to repeat continually. Please. Dude. Read. Also you neglected to acknowledge the other possible reasons.

>It's just shitty logic that makes no sense
Gotta explain why or I can't see you're pov

>Do you want a Kanto re-remake? Why continue to fight for it?
This. You never answered this.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:07:39 No.35258119 Report

Quoted By: >>35258202 >>35258546

>>35254223
>people really think this is marketable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:19:04 No.35258202 Report

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>>35258119
YOU'VE STATED AN OPINION!!!
RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:20:35 No.35258209 Report

Quoted By: >>35258338

>>35257688
>Because it appeals to children and nostalgiafags which is enough to make them money. Which you keep trying to deny.
They made FR/LG because there was no connectivity with Gen 1 and 2. Jhoto remakes had high fan demands because of FR/LG and are some of the strongest games in the main series. But now remakes are a staple of the series, like third versions. There wasn't really a reason to make Hoenn remakes they could've just done a new Hoenn game or a sequel if it was because of availability (which unlike with Gen 1 and 2 remakes, was not impossible).

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:38:10 No.35258326 Report

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>>35254133
the screenshot is switch screen dimensions

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:40:54 No.35258338 Report

Quoted By: >>35258468 >>35258532

>>35258209
Any Pokemon game will sell. Gen 8 and a kanto/remake sequel would probably be equally successful and they're both gonna happen eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:53:48 No.35258468 Report

Quoted By: >>35258522

>>35258338
Well a remake makes less sense than a reboot. At least at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 22:59:56 No.35258522 Report

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>>35258468
I personally think the next games will be gen 8 but take place in kanto after the events of gen 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:01:30 No.35258532 Report

Quoted By: >>35258542

>>35258338
Sure but that wouldn't change the fact that the series has been deteriorating since the move to 3D which is what V/P cares about. Third versions while a series staple have basically been fixing lazy game design since Gen 3 and I thought we were past them with BW2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:02:45 No.35258542 Report

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>>35258532
This isn't about third versions this is about if the first game of gen 8 will be kanto or a new region

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:03:14 No.35258546 Report

Quoted By: >>35258554

>>35258119
>genwun
>not marketable

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:04:36 No.35258554 Report

Quoted By: >>35258737

>>35258546
Eventually genwun pandering will reach a point where alienating the dedicated fanbase isn't worth appealing to genwunner go normies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:35:23 No.35258737 Report

Quoted By: >>35258763

>>35258554
Stay delusional, anti-genwunner. The original is always marketable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:38:07 No.35258763 Report

Quoted By: >>35258782

>>35258737
so was green hill zone until people got sick of it.
nostalgia can only take you so far.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:39:16 No.35258771 Report

Quoted By: >>35258816

gamefreak needs to stop relying on gen 1 as a crutch.
nostalgia should be a bonus.
NOT A FOCUS

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Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:41:37 No.35258782 Report

Quoted By: >>35259334

>>35258763
>so was green hill zone until people got sick of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:45:59 No.35258816 Report

Quoted By: >>35258920

>>35258771
Nostalgia sells. Every fucking franchise does this.

Digimon Tri specials are based on the og series
Yu-Gi-Oh just had a movie based on the og series
Star Wars movies are pretty much just rehashes of the og series
Mega Man continues doing og style gameplay instead of continuing the BN or 3D games
Sonic's most well received game in over a decade was a classic Sonic game done by an indie team instead of the multiple AAA releases

Even Pokemon movies now are changing to sell on nostalgia instead of being based on the SM anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Apr 2018 23:57:38 No.35258920 Report

Quoted By: >>35259061

>>35258816
Nostalgia can work if it's used TACTFULLY
If abused it can lead to fatigue and the person just wants to move on.
so it has to counterbalance with enough new things to not make it seem shallow. but at the same time the new things have to be good enough to not ruin the experience.
And sure nostalgia can work as a marketing strategy. but how long will the boat float?
fads come and go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 00:05:10 No.35259005 Report

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thing is I feel that gamefreak uses nostalgia without a single idea of the good aspects of gen 1.
soo they just go with ''HEY REMEMBER CHARIZARD??? HEY REMEMBER MEWTWO???'' but hey, maybe I'm just an old geezer that's kind of on the verge of doing another gen skip because he's getting pokemon'd out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 00:12:43 No.35259061 Report

Quoted By: >>35261399

>>35258920
>fads come and go.
It's been 20 years and they've still been banking on genwun nostalgia so not really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 00:46:45 No.35259334 Report

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>>35258782
Green hill zone in that game is cool because there was some actual good innovation there.
While it is good people generally complained about how there was more old than new zones. They innovated the old zones too, but the opinions still stood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 05:57:07 No.35261390 Report

Quoted By: >>35261453

>>35254284
>It's not logic if they're fully capable of doing it and still selling millions of copies.
New starters sell more copies.
Don't be a contrarian for the sake it, it just makes you look retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:01:12 No.35261399 Report

Quoted By: >>35261453 >>35261463

>>35259061
You make it sound like they've been banking on it the whole time; they only really started with X and Y.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:16:19 No.35261453 Report

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>>35261390
>New starters sell more copies.
Shit, then I guess USUM will have new starters since it will sell more copies. Don't be a contrarian for the sake it, it just makes you look retarded.

>>35261399
>You make it sound like they've been banking on it the whole time;
Considering FRLG and HGSS exist I'd say yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:16:36 No.35261454 Report

Quoted By: >>35261459

>>35254199
>Removing one of the things that give a generation an identity

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Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:18:41 No.35261459 Report

Quoted By: >>35261469

>>35261454
>they will never add new pokemon mid-gen because having new pokemon is what give a generation an identity

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Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:19:25 No.35261463 Report

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>>35261399
Yes but gens last a while. So we've had to suffer for about five years

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:21:19 No.35261469 Report

Quoted By: >>35261476

>>35261459
No one said that and it wasn't really implied. Besides, only specific Pokemon, including starters give a generation it's identity. Like Lucario or Mimikyu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:23:35 No.35261476 Report

Quoted By: >>35261508

>>35261469
>No one said that and it wasn't really implied
It was implied with your retarded patternfagging.

>Besides, only specific Pokemon, including starters give a generation it's identity
so what you're saying is that starters don't have to matter at all as long as there's a shill pokemon somewhere else in the game. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:34:25 No.35261508 Report

Quoted By: >>35261580

>>35261476
Oh wooooww. Hello Mr. Strawman

>patternfagging
Never held an opinion on introducing Pokemon mid-gen. Just wasn't sure how they'd do it. They used Ultra Beast to get away with it though.

>starters don't have to matter at all as long as there's a shill pokemon somewhere else in the game
Please point where I said that. C'mon man. All that selective attention. I can't FULLY agree here. Even GF knows that just because it's shilled doesn't mean people will like it.
Besides. Starters play a much greater role than shilling, like teaching new players the rock paper scissors aspect of the game. The others are a little less important unless they match the theme

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 06:57:11 No.35261580 Report

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>>35261508
>Never held an opinion on introducing Pokemon mid-gen
And yet you're implying it by having this stupid belief that they can't take away "things that give a generation an identity"

>Please point where I said that.
You said only specific Pokemon "give a generation its identity" and you listed Pokemon that aren't starters. So you can still have Pokemon that "give a generation an identity" without having new starters.

>like teaching new players the rock paper scissors aspect of the game.
You're right. Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle will do that just fine. :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 07:55:01 No.35261748 Report

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>>35254133
this faggot lost her credibility to me, time to move on

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Anonymous Tue 03 Apr 2018 08:08:36 No.35261770 Report

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>>35254133
People who want the first core Switch games to be Gen 8 are gonna regret this when their Gen 8 turns out to be a technical disappointment that doesn't use Switch to even half its potential and looks no better than this screenshot.

So, I hope that the screenshot is true and they're shelving Gen 8 for later, when they can finally make a good Switch game, worth of the console.

And I'm not being an "apologetic cuck", I'm just being real. Expecting too much from GF is deluded, they are a mediocre studio technical-wise, they don't create graphical wonders.

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