>>35359701>I like HMsThe only aspect I like about them is that you can traverse and explore the world with your Pokebros, and that's good for concept(!), but in reality, it just means you'll just dedicate a slot or two for a HM slave and that goes completely against the message of Pokemon. I don't like Pokerides too much either, because of what I said firstly; I don't want some rental Pokémon, I want to play with my bros! Either way, if Pokemon could learn the secondary effect of HMs *forever*, even after the actual move was forgotten, it'd be totally fixed, like that fangame Pokemon Reloaded did. Also there's no need for so many HMs... Strength could do the job of Rock Smash and Cut altogether, same with Surf with Waterfall, Whirlpool and Dive.