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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 22:47:01 No.35362392 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>35362424 >>35362557 >>35362958

Could Pokemon work as a less linear game? i.e. allowing you to travel to and challenge the gyms in any order. Could this improve the series or make it worse?
How would level scaling work? Should the levels of trainers/leader and wild Pokemon everywhere increase as you get more badges? Would the remaining gym leaders have more pokemon depending on how many badges you have so far? How would triggers for story events be handled?

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 22:54:00 No.35362424 Report

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>>35362392
Yes: making a game without those stupid gym/challenges.

Just think a game that only have an story, and the Pokémon league is replaced by the villain base. Elite four being the commanders and the "champion" the leader.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:05:27 No.35362483 Report

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>>35362424
Bosses are bosses and what you just described is still linear.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:16:49 No.35362557 Report

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>>35362392
Level scaling don't add complexity or gameplay...change only the course of the travel, with a single ending that is the Pkmn league.
I think that GF need to improve the RPG aspects of the game that's not battling....maybe adding "sidequest" \ missions that don't influence the story.
Make the player "feel" the world and not the same 20000 routes again and only.
Also evil team need to be more grounded and "logical":Rocket was a threat not because wanted to kill everything but because they were a criminal and political power in Kanto.
Maybe adding something about the world of the game:like how the "region" work, other interesting areas maybe not strictly connected to pokemons.
But maybe i'm giving stupid ideas.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:36:28 No.35362684 Report

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It's not possible to make these games non-linear without having to change the gameplay mechanics. You couldn't make a sandbox title out of this series -- not an immersive one, anyway.

Aside from character creation/customizing aesthetics, you really can't do anything else to change Pokemon. Everything is level-based; an RPG game with static areas sounds fine, but it's still linear in practice, because you'd only be aiming to discover the most optimal route to travel to complete the story. Trainers who you don't fight early on will be out-leveled and easy to defeat later; high-leveled trainers you blindly stumble upon are going to defeat you easily.

I suppose a scaling system could be introduced, but then that would defeat the purpose of leveling entirely if you're always going to be somewhat evenly matched against other trainers. A warning/locked system could be introduced, where if your teams' median level is below a specific threshold then certain trainers will decline your challenges, but then you're just running around trying to figure out who/what you can challenge. Same with wild Pokemon -- you will probably need to have progressed to a certain point before you can discover decent / strong mons, so it would still be a grind to get what you are wanting out of tall grass.

Pokemon is linear. That's its formula and business model. Can't be any other way, unless they made the battles themselves interactive to the point where you controlled the Pokemon as though it were a FPS game.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:41:25 No.35362713 Report

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>>35362684
>, but then that would defeat the purpose of leveling entirely if you're always going to be somewhat evenly matched against other trainers.
But isn't making leveling more important than actual gameplay strategy the biggest flaw with JRPGs to begin with?

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:50:00 No.35362773 Report

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I guess the real question is, why should linearity in game design be considered a bad thing? I never felt as though I was being railroaded in any of the games I've played, and it felt like a natural progression from a beginner just leaving their Hometown, to someone capable of challenging the Gang Boss, or the Pokemon League Champion.

The series is modeled on a linear approach, with Pokemon and trainers' levels corresponding to how far into the game you are, and story events being triggered by clearing whatever obstacles prevented you from progressing to the next area, and deviating from that, runs the risk of the player either being completely outmatched, or bored to tears because everything is too easy, or steamrolling their way through the game in an hour because there's nothing stopping them from beelining it for the final boss.

In other words, speedrunners would love it, but anyone looking for a story or an experience would hate it.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Apr 2018 23:52:32 No.35362790 Report

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Why don't they just let us travel wherever and get dunked on so we can't travel to certain places by level gaps instead of completely blocking areas. Story-wise they should block areas (like most games do), but they should at least let the player learn and run off the leash.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 00:17:32 No.35362958 Report

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What if they made the gym leaders something you had to work up to? What if they were the post game? The evil team was the main story, you beat them, credits roll, good job. Then you wake up at home with an invitation to challenge the gym leaders. They’re all around the same level so you can do any order. Then you get the league at the end. I don’t know how to break up the monotony of all those boring battles, though. It would feel like HGSS post-game in Kanto. It wasn’t that exciting.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 00:22:25 No.35362989 Report

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>Pokemon is linear. That's its formula and business model.

Gen 1 and 2 - in which you could od over half the Gyms combined in any order you like - would like a word with your idiocy.

It doesn't need to be entirely free or anything like a sandbox to not be linear, dipshit.

It just needs a main campaign that can be done in any order and plenty of side content. Which they have, they've just never combined the two or spiffed up the issues with those things that have been present still.

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