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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 11:52:05 No.35365643 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>35365684 >>35365699 >>35366334 >>35366337 >>35366405 >>35366430 >>35366446 >>35367963 >>35368883 >>35369459

Itt: Bring your bro into OU with as few buffs as possible
>Swords Dance
or
>Extreme Speed

If neither of these work by themselves, give em both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:01:11 No.35365681 Report

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It just needed +1 base speed to creep on Volcarona

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:02:35 No.35365684 Report

Quoted By: >>35368858

>>35365643
Swords Dace

Bonus: Zen Headbutt Hit rate= 100 instead of 90
Fuck Mega Metagross, remove it and aegislash too and give steel dark resistance back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:06:07 No.35365699 Report

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>>35365643
> Z-mirror move Honchkrow

Worked for a while. But higher up the ladder people would play around it. Still, I had a good run with it. If you manage to get it off it becomes pretty strong. +2ATK and Moxie boost from taking out 1 mon goes a long way. Especially because a lot of people like to Stone Miss something like Honchkrow.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:14:35 No.35365738 Report

Quoted By: >>35368930 >>35369271

Queenly Majesty ability

Defend Order works like protect as well as buffing defense and special defense

Vespiquen learns stored power

Also bug/psychic instead of bug/flying

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:21:08 No.35365760 Report

Quoted By: >>35366443

>Give it an ability called Burrow which removes Entry Hazards
>Spiky Shield
The first one would easily boost its usage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:25:33 No.35365778 Report

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>Quiver Dance
>Speed Boost HA

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:28:40 No.35365791 Report

Quoted By: >>35368054

>Give it Contrary (In fact, give all UBs a Hidden Ability)
or
>For shits and giggles, give it Speed Boost

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:31:55 No.35365804 Report

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give my nigga wurmple base 90 stats across the board, Spiky Shield, No Guard, Horn Drill, and Dragon Dance

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:33:33 No.35365811 Report

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>>35365804
>as few buffs as possible

Have the powders work post-transform/imposter

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:34:51 No.35365816 Report

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>>35365811
>as few buffs as possible

that was the fucking joke

Wurmple needs all of that to even become RU

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 12:35:24 No.35365817 Report

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>>35365811
This. Ditto could become OU if it could always have double the speed of the opponent.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:22:16 No.35366334 Report

Quoted By: >>35366363

>>35365643
Slack off, if that isn't enough then mega

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:23:13 No.35366337 Report

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>>35365643

Just give it plus 10 speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:27:19 No.35366363 Report

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>>35366334
>mega snorlax
>+40 to Def
>+20 to Atk
>+30 to SpD
>+10 to SpA

This could work. It's not terribly min-maxed. By virtue of taking a mega slot it already has a downside not to mention many other OU mons hit harder though with less bulk. Snorlax's massive movepool helps out here. Something like Early Bird as its ability will be nice for like rest sets without offering many non-niche benefits.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:27:26 No.35366365 Report

Quoted By: >>35366432 >>35366447 >>35368194

Anybody got any ideas for based Kabutops?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:28:27 No.35366373 Report

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>>35366363
Give it Comatose

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:33:46 No.35366405 Report

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>>35365643
baton pass
thing learns sword dance,curse, iron defense, amnesia, rock polish, stockpile, and its bulky enough to tank a hit or two

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:36:27 No.35366430 Report

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>>35365643
>New Ability: Filter
>can now learn Leech Life
>+10 Base Stat to HP and Sp. Defense

It's still an inferior Ferrothorn/Skarmory, but it might have a niche thanks to slightly improved longevity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:36:38 No.35366432 Report

Quoted By: >>35368858

>>35366373
OOF finally a mega besides KFC and KHAAAAAAN gets sent up to Ubers...as long as it gets one-turn reliable recovery.
>>35366365
Give it Liquidation, Sand Rush/Force to give Sand another abuser, +10 to SpA allowing it to take advantage of Giga Drain, and a Mega giving +50 to SpD, +35 to Atk, and 15 to Spe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:38:17 No.35366443 Report

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>>35365760
Sandslash stall would be disgusting.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:38:53 No.35366446 Report

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>>35365643
Inherent trick room

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:38:56 No.35366447 Report

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>>35366365
Make it Rock/Dark?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:40:57 No.35366462 Report

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>>35366405
Not to mention it had suction cups, and ingrain.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:54:39 No.35366538 Report

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Swap Attack and Special Attack.
Give it Tough Claws.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 14:57:22 No.35366557 Report

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>fighting secondary
>+25 speed
>high jump kick, drain punch, knockoff and head smash

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 15:27:19 No.35366737 Report

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stealth rocks and defog
+15 defense
+10 special defense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 15:33:57 No.35366768 Report

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how do we fix Bellossom besides giving it Dancer

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 15:37:14 No.35366790 Report

Quoted By: >>35366801 >>35366806 >>35367901 >>35367937 >>35368064 >>35369259 >>35369373

>anything but Truant

Whats a good, balanced HA he could use?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 15:39:20 No.35366801 Report

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>>35366790
normalize

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 15:39:52 No.35366806 Report

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>>35366790
Defeatist
Slow Start

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 18:54:45 No.35367870 Report

Quoted By: >>35367882

I'll do all of my bad bros.

>krookodile
Given tinted lens over anger point (as it should've been). Or +10 speed. Potentially both, OU is pretty nuts.

>sceptile
learns seed flare and nasty plot. Maybe just seed flare.

>blastoise
learns origin pulse

>kommo-o
bulletproof now blocks moonblast

>salazzle
+20 speed, or corrosion lets all poison moves affect steel types as it should have

>steelix
mega given magnet pull. It'd explain the orbiting metal fragments.

>turtonator
Morning sun and possibly stealth rock might actually do it, it could be a solid check to things like koko, lucha, and kartana if you EV it carefully.

>serperior
thunderbolt or earth power. Maybe psychic.

Some others like arbok, lapras, kecleon, scrafty heliolisk, tyrantrum, toucannon, and tropius can't really be saved without megas and/or major overhauls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 18:56:59 No.35367882 Report

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>>35367870
oh, kommo-o could also work if the z move still gave you a stat boost when used against fairy types. Like a lot of those there, it'd be an either or thing, but I think that's better than just being able to laugh at clefable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 18:59:04 No.35367901 Report

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>>35366790
Klutz, probably

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:05:39 No.35367937 Report

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>>35366790
Instead of that, make an item that nullifies the user's ability while held.
It'd buff both Slaking and Regigigas but not break them since they can't hold another item and are very vulnerable to shit like Knock Off.
Also it'd provide some silly strats with shit like using Trick to give the item to an opponent's Tapu to stop them placing their terrains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:11:54 No.35367963 Report

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>>35365643
>Arcanine

Give it fire type Pixilate

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:16:45 No.35367993 Report

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>Smogon Pebbles
>+20 HP

Gastrodon historically always fluctuated wildly between OU and PU, and these changes would bring it to at least RU/UU level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:26:16 No.35368054 Report

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>>35365791
Give it Huge Power since its index number is a prime number (so is speed boost)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:27:34 No.35368064 Report

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>>35366790
Stall.
It can hit hard, but will always move last against anything other than itself.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:38:34 No.35368124 Report

Quoted By: >>35368871 >>35369156

>Quick Feet gives all his moves +1 priority
fixed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 19:51:40 No.35368194 Report

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>>35366365
Shell Smash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:17:10 No.35368858 Report

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>first-place bro: Tyranitar
Already OU
>second-place bro: Mega Aerodactyl
Brave Bird or Head Smash, but not both
>third-place bro: Hydreigon
New Z-move: Towering Triglavic Titans. Upgrades from Tri-Attack when holding Tricephalium Z, can also be used by Dugtrio, Magneton, Dodrio, Magnezone, and Probopass. The user, a three-headed Pokemon, invokes the might of a three-peaked mountain to boost its three highest stats by three stages each.
>>35365684
>Swords Dance
>not Shift Gear

>Buffing Zen Headbutt
>not just giving it Psychic Fangs
>>35366432
>OOF finally a mega besides KFC and KHAAAAAAN gets sent up to Ubers...as long as it gets one-turn reliable recovery.
What are Mega Metagross, Mega Gengar, Mega Lucario, Mega Salamence, and Megas Sableye and Mawile in Gen VI? Not to mention the Mewtwo Megas or (for like the week before it was booted to AG) Mega Rayquaza.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:18:56 No.35368871 Report

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>>35368124
>+1 to all moves
What the fuck are you doing anon?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:20:41 No.35368883 Report

Quoted By: >>35368905 >>35369231

>>35365643
>+20 in both defenses
>Recover
>Rapid Spin

Alternatively

>Innards Out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:23:43 No.35368905 Report

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>>35368883
>innards out

that's morbid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:27:15 No.35368930 Report

Quoted By: >>35368991

>>35365738
Queenly Majesty only matters if you have decent speed. Nullifying priority is useless if the opponent is already faster than you by default. Vespiquen has 40 base speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 21:36:12 No.35368991 Report

Quoted By: >>35369276

>>35368930

Not necessarily. It makes you immune to the attack altogether, not just gets rid of priority. If a lycanroc only has accelerock for rock type moves then vespiquen doesn't have to worry much (but it is pointless if the lycanroc also has stone edge), This can save you from choice priority attacks, and prankster mons are helpless. I guess I also like a gimmick tailwind moveset but that's still not great. Sure, there are better abilities, but anything is better than fucking pressure

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:03:25 No.35369156 Report

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>>35368124
just make quick feet negate the attack drop from burn and give it E-Speed or Quick attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:07:47 No.35369192 Report

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>>35366447
>make it lose out on the one niche it has as physical rain sweeper
Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:13:18 No.35369231 Report

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>>35368883
>innards out wailord
I'm not sure how this would even be tiered. Obviously it would have great utility against offense wherever it is used. However, against teams that have passive ways to deal damage, it would have to rely on its very unimpressive movepool to get by, and by then its dead weight.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:14:51 No.35369242 Report

Quoted By: >>35369250 >>35369308 >>35369327

I'm to much of a brainlet to now how to balance my bro out. Can someone help?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:15:53 No.35369250 Report

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>>35369242
*know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:17:32 No.35369259 Report

Quoted By: >>35369308

>>35366790
>slacker
>this Pokemon always attacks last

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:19:09 No.35369271 Report

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>>35365738
>Protect and +1 Def and +1 SpD

The new queen of VGC?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:19:13 No.35369273 Report

Quoted By: >>35369284

Take 10 out of every stat except Attack and put it on speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:19:33 No.35369276 Report

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>>35368991
Not that anon, but the point was that no one needs priority to take down Vespiquen, when a fire type with 50 speed still outspeeds it. Being immune to priority is nice, but wouldnt make it OU when its still held back by having 474 BST and a terrible stat spread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:20:28 No.35369284 Report

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>>35369273
not angry enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:25:36 No.35369308 Report

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>>35369259
That just means it can run bulky spreads with Curse and/or Hammer Arm without the speed consequence

>>35369242
It would need some pretty intense moves to get into OU, i think what it wants most is Coil though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:29:40 No.35369327 Report

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>>35369242
it just needs speed and special attack, it's movepool is flawless, its ability is flawless, even its base typing is pretty good. All it needs is a higher and better-arranged BST

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:36:13 No.35369373 Report

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>>35366790
What if you could use Slack Off on the turns its slacks off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:48:34 No.35369437 Report

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>Florges
Earth Power, +20 Speed (debated buffing HP but I think the key is to make it play less like Sylveon)

>Dusknoir
Auto-Trick Room ability

>Gourgeist
Swap Attack and Special Attack, give it Flash Fire/Flare Boost

>Aurorus
Will sadly never make OU without a total stat rearrangement but at least give the poor thing Aurora Veil and Power Gem

>Starmie
Regenerator

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:50:53 No.35369459 Report

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>>35365643
High Jump Kick would be perfect for the Raptor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Apr 2018 22:52:22 No.35369475 Report

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Gib Blue Orb
+50 attack and prim sea = lots of dead things

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