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Ideal Necrozma Nature?

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 13:27:50 No.35373158 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>35373179 >>35374173 >>35375283 >>35375646

So I have Ultra Sun and I'm aware Dawn Wings is garbo, so I'm trying for Adamant or Jolly. Question is, I'm not sure which to go for, and I'd like Necrozma to work as both Dusk Mane and Ultra, yet looking online yields "Adamant = DM, Jolly = Ultra". I don't really want to neuter either form, so... what do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 13:33:42 No.35373179 Report

Quoted By: >>35374139

>>35373158
I'd say adamant. You don't really need to care about speed if you can pull off an autotomize, and dusk mane is perfectly able to set up in front of many things, besides ultra being ridiculously fasy even without positive nature. Photon geyser will use your attack stat too, so you might as well just aim to hit as hard as possible with the sunsteel strike + photon geyser combo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 14:00:22 No.35373353 Report

Quoted By: >>35374139 >>35375145

Ultra is fine with Adamant only if it's running Autotomize. It only needs Jolly when it's running 4 attacks or Swords Dance + 3 attacks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 15:47:54 No.35374139 Report

Quoted By: >>35375797

>>35373179
>>35373353

Why Autotomize and not Rock Polish?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 15:51:37 No.35374167 Report

Quoted By: >>35375241

Autotomize reduces damage from low kick/grass knot
while rock polish does nothing
i guess?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 15:52:15 No.35374173 Report

Quoted By: >>35374210

>>35373158
>Dawn Wings is garbo
Pfffhahaha.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 15:55:50 No.35374210 Report

Quoted By: >>35374254

>>35374173
>tfw 157 Special Attack but no Ice Beam
>tfw 157 Special Attack but no Focus Blast
>tfw two 4x weaknesses but no Shadow Shield
>tfw all that Prism Armor slows Lunala down

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 16:00:26 No.35374254 Report

Quoted By: >>35374277

>>35374210

Still too bulky for OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 16:03:44 No.35374277 Report

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>>35374254

That's what hurts it more than anything: too good for OU, outclassed to the point of worthlessness in Ubers.

...which is what Dusk Mane did to Solgaleo, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 18:33:30 No.35375145 Report

Quoted By: >>35375580 >>35375812

>>35373353
Would the loss of Attack from a Jolly Nature affect DM Necrozma much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 18:53:11 No.35375241 Report

Quoted By: >>35375848

>>35374167
It also increases damage received from heavy slam, a move U-Necro doesn't already resist. Pick your poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 18:59:40 No.35375283 Report

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>>35373158
This digimon shouldn't exist and anyone using it should feel bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 19:59:15 No.35375580 Report

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>>35375145
If you run Jolly your forced to run the Ultra form more as the speed boost is useless on Dusk Mane. If you run Adamant you'll be able to feasibly run either form. The Ultra form also cannot hold an item, so the extra damage helps

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:08:11 No.35375646 Report

Quoted By: >>35375756

>>35373158
I'm in the same position.
I want to use Ultra Necrozma, so a +Speed nature is preferable.
I held out on catching the one in Moon, so I can get two natures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:23:35 No.35375756 Report

Quoted By: >>35375829

>>35375646
Necrozma gets Heat Wave and DW is bad, so a Timid nature wouldn't be a bad choice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:28:14 No.35375797 Report

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>>35374139
Because they're the same move, but autotomize appears first alphabetically

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:29:37 No.35375812 Report

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>>35375145
Adamant with a tiny bit of attack investment can ohko basically every version of xerneas that exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:32:08 No.35375829 Report

Quoted By: >>35375861

>>35375756
What makes DW worse than DM? Curious cuz I haven't looked at the stats or bothered to use either one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:35:06 No.35375848 Report

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>>35375241
I guess Low Kick and Grass Knot are a lot more common than Heavy Slam though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:37:03 No.35375861 Report

Quoted By: >>35375921 >>35376019 >>35376130

>>35375829
Psychic/ghost without even spirit shield to attempt to save your skin, it being slow af doesn't help at all
Meanwhile dm is a steel type with recovery, a fuckhuge attack stat, enough bulk (+ability) to take super effective hits like a champ and can kill huge threats in the meta before setting up

Even if you're going for special ultra necrozma, dm is actually the better base form to use since it can switch into things and set up unlike dw

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:44:48 No.35375921 Report

Quoted By: >>35376526

>>35375861
If I was to use DM as the base form, would Naive/Hasty be better so I can still use DM as a physical attacker before changing into Ultra Necrozma?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 20:58:17 No.35376019 Report

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>>35375861
Ahhh gotcha. Thanks for the breakdown, and good to know for potential use

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 21:12:54 No.35376130 Report

Quoted By: >>35376526

>>35375861

I don't even know why anyone would run special ultra, physical photon geyser is extremely deadly to special bulk and the coverage moves take care of physical tanks and walls
while ultra can't kill lugia with psychic moves, this is one of my favorite calcs:

+2 252+ Atk Necrozma-Ultra Light That Burns the Sky vs. 204 HP / 32 Def Wobbuffet: 637-750 (111.3 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 21:48:25 No.35376411 Report

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Weakness Policy Automize/Swords Dance/Sunsteel Strike/(Earthquake or Photon Geyser) Adamant is the shit also automize lowers low kick damage which is a plus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 21:58:41 No.35376526 Report

Quoted By: >>35376548

>>35375921
I think you'd be better off using Dusk Mane's bulk to switch in against something and sponge hits while using Calm Mind before transforming. As >>35376130 said, Ultra Necrozma is quite capable of breaking walls even with physical moves.

Plus, IIRC the only status buff it learns that affects Special Attack is Calm Mind, which isn't as quick as Swords Dance and the Special Defense buff doesn't really help Ultra out much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Apr 2018 22:00:27 No.35376548 Report

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>>35376526
I realised that I mentioned using DM as a wall while Calm Minding for special UN sets, only to immediately dismiss Calm Mind for not being as quick as Swords Dance. Oh well.

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