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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:13:00 No.35434657 View View Reply Original Report

>cutscenes in gen 7
"OMG SO BORING! WHO CARES ABOUT STORY I JUST WANT TO ADVENTURE! WORST GEN!!!!"
>cutscenes in gen 5
OMG MUH STORY! MUH N! SO GOOD! BEST GEN!!!!

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:13:51 No.35434661 Report

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>>35434657
The cut scenes in gen 5 didn't take forever you dumdum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:14:17 No.35434666 Report

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>>35434657
I like both gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:15:12 No.35434670 Report

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>>35434661
They were just as irritating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:15:40 No.35434674 Report

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>>cutscenes in gen 5
>character approaches player and delivers some dialogue
>>cutscenes in gen 7
>fade to black
>camera pans to character
>character poses
>character delivers some dialogue
>character poses
>character leaves
>fade to black

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:15:54 No.35434675 Report

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>>35434657
>30 second cutscenes vs 2-3 minute cutscenes
I guess we'll never solve this mystery Op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:16:13 No.35434681 Report

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>>35434670
But they weren't every 5 steps

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:17:19 No.35434687 Report

Quoted By: >>35434730

You don't want adventure, you just want your simulators. Go back to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:19:33 No.35434697 Report

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>>35434674
Don't forget:

> MC stands there with a sociopath stare. Uncaring about any event that unfolds

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:20:54 No.35434703 Report

Quoted By: >>35434718

Eh, the cutscenes in Gen 7 only slightly bothered me. I ain't gonna pitch a fuckin' hissy fit over them.
And it's not "I don't want story" it's more "These cutscenes are a tad more numerous and a bit longer than I'd like"
Note that this is coming from someone who likes Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:22:31 No.35434711 Report

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>>35434657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_MT9q54MGY
>6 fucking hours
dont think usum us any better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:22:42 No.35434712 Report

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>>35434670
No they weren't.

It takes like what, 5 minutes to reach the first Pokemon Center in BW? In SM and USUM it takes 30 minutes, even in a speed run.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:23:48 No.35434716 Report

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>>35434674
fucking this
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:23:52 No.35434718 Report

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>>35434703
I desire analysis alongside alongside another story heavy game that ISN'T criticized for being so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:23:59 No.35434720 Report

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>>35434697
lol'd. This was the only way these insipid scenes were tolerable. The MC's cold dead stare mirrored my bemused disbelief at how far the franchise has fallen.

Giving coders, character designers, and game scenario writers the tools to "direct" a whole game full of animated scenes was a mistake. They aren't good enough for anime, but here they are, showing us their "vision" anyway.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:24:57 No.35434724 Report

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>>35434711
There is no way SM has 6 hours worth of cutscenes. I haven't checked the video, but I can assume most of the stuff in there isn'y even a cutscene and it's combined from both versions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:25:33 No.35434730 Report

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>>35434687
>You don't want adventure, you just want your simulators.
Cutscenes, handholding, and railroading are not adventure. Gen 5 was guilty, yes, but Gen 7 is an abomination that resembles an RPG in name only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:26:37 No.35434734 Report

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>>35434720
And it worked, Lillie isn't popular on design alone.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:27:21 No.35434740 Report

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>>35434730
Having zero conflict isn't an adventure either. This whole franchise is a farce.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:27:56 No.35434744 Report

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:30:04 No.35434754 Report

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:30:26 No.35434755 Report

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>>35434724
Just skim watched the video, a lot of the content seems to be scripted dialog. You know, the dialog that you're forced to read in order to continue the story. Whether or not you consider those as cutscenes is entirely up to you.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:33:33 No.35434782 Report

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>>35434657
I like both gens, but I have a bit of a bias for 5.

You have to be honest with yourself, the cutscenes in gen 7 take a fucking eternity to finish, compared to gen 5 where it’s only a few cuts of dialogue and that’s it.

Sun and Moons ending was almost torture for me if I didn’t care for Lillie as a character.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:34:29 No.35434789 Report

Quoted By: >>35434809 >>35434889 >>35441127

Is it really that big a deal? You've only got to watch them all once and they were probably put in for the kids benefit.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:36:32 No.35434806 Report

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>>35434754
by that principle bw had about 40 seconds of cutscenes, sm probably has over 10 minutes of these still

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:36:46 No.35434809 Report

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>>35434789
>You've only got to watch them all once
God forbid you decide to replay the game or play USUM having already played SM

>probably put in for the kids
If I were a kid playing these games I would have been bored out of my fucking mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:44:04 No.35434853 Report

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They were bad in Gen V too. They're just way worse now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:44:46 No.35434858 Report

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>>35434782
>This conversation has now ended, please remain in your seats until all members of Team plasma have reached the edge of the screen

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:50:35 No.35434888 Report

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>>35434657
>trying to compare gen 5 to Lillie's cutscene hell
You sound as stupid as that idiot in your pic looks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:50:42 No.35434889 Report

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>>35434789
>they were probably put in for the kids benefit.
Guess all those kids in the 90s were fucking stupid for falling for a game with no cutscenes.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:50:44 No.35434890 Report

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>>35434661
>>35434674
Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:52:13 No.35434907 Report

Quoted By: >>35434952 >>35435837 >>35436033 >>35447220

What exactly do you propose? Not everyone is going to appreciate storytelling by sight alone. Most people would REJECT such an idea. As for having no story, now we are back in the arcades and all things are now app games. Some people may have no problem with this, but I prefer to think that there is a reason app games haven't taken over the entire industry.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 21:53:18 No.35434913 Report

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>>35434657
Those aren't necessarily the same groups of people and I certainly don't miss "muh imagination fills the gaps" shit either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:01:20 No.35434952 Report

Quoted By: >>35435031

>>35434907
>As for having no story, now we are back in the arcades and all things are now app games.
False dichotomy. Successful games have plenty of story, or plot, or world building. Whatever you wanna call it. Story telling in games should take an interactive approach, with the overall background and "lore" being used to create an immersive experience, while you forge your own path ahead with meaningful choices. Beating you over the the head with cutscenes was a fault of the 90s and early 2000s game industry, that they eventually moved away from after realizing they are not Hollywood (this is ignoring AAA gaming now, but hey, some people like movie games).

Early Pokémon games couldn't fall back on cutscenes so they fleshed out their world with Pokédex entries and optional dialog. Now? Warch Hau jump up and down and yell fucking malasadas ARE YOU ENGAGED YET? IT'S LIKE PLAYING AN ANIME.

"no."

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:03:28 No.35434968 Report

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>>35434657
Why are you so retarded?

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:06:22 No.35434993 Report

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>>35434968
>I'm literally retarded

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:06:36 No.35434995 Report

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>>35434720
>The MC's cold dead stare
Equip the MC with a pair of Aviator sunglasses and he becomes a smug little shit that just doesn't give a flying shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:11:40 No.35435031 Report

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>>35434952
This is basically arguing that no one is going to care about substance. If that was true, the media industry would be far more intolerable than it already is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:13:29 No.35435043 Report

Quoted By: >>35436394

>How it feels to play Generation 5
>It does have its plot-ridden points, but nothing too intrusive
>Oh okay thanks for the liberty

>How it feels to chew 5gum go through Generation 7
>Oh okay, look at all these friendly folks, I don't mind them
>Oh random chick I don't really feel anything towards to, probably won't be seeing her mu-
>*literally drags you every five fucking minutes*
>DO YOU CARE FOR HER NOW??? XD
>Hau save me
>:D MALASADAS
>Why am I always constantly smiling in the cutscenes even though I am far from that expression
>DO YOU LIKE ME NOW, PLAYER-KUN??? :D
>Look, I put my hair in a ponytail! Such progress!

Ye no. I assume people who are into her suffered some severe Stockholm Syndrome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:15:02 No.35435051 Report

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>>35434657
OP and Ultra drones on suicide watch!

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:15:19 No.35435052 Report

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>>35434968

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:24:32 No.35435104 Report

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>>35435052

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:25:49 No.35435112 Report

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>>35434657
While I did enjoy playing SM on the first playthrough, I don't think I'll play SM again anytime soon because the amount of dialogue is unbearable to play through a second time. It was hard to get through USUM and I actually enjoyed SM's story with psychotic Lusamine more than what USUM gave us. They didn't even reward us with post game content besides a side story for playing through it a second time, it was terrible.

That being said, gen 5 was dull. It's not just unovabortionas complaining about gen 7 story length.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:29:11 No.35435122 Report

Quoted By: >>35435171 >>35435185 >>35435245

>>35434657
I hate gen 5's story so I'll just pretend you said 'good jrpgs' instead. The thing is though, cutscenes used for the purposes of telling a story. They are hated in Gen 7 because Gen 7's story is incoherent and poorly written, therefore it doesn't have value to the players. If the game's story were worthwhile and exciting, cutscenes would be a necessary evil that people wouldn't mind. That said, Pokemon doesn't really need a story, so cutscenes aren't necessary either

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:36:42 No.35435171 Report

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>>35435122
>They are hated in Gen 7 because Gen 7's story is incoherent and poorly written
Pretty much. Gamefreak can't write for shit. Consider the Metal Series with its focus on cutscenes. Say what you want about Kojimbo, but the man can direct. Look at how fans reacted to MGSV. The lack of cutscenes hurt the game (somehow). Can't say the same for Pokémon. These games are the player's journey, and anything that takes away from that needs to be tossed aside.
>alola happens
Thanks Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:38:39 No.35435185 Report

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>>35435122
Why doesn't pokemon need a story? Because the gameplay wouldn't be conducive to it? There are zillions of ways a story could've been written to fit the gameplay, they just chose not to. Granted, the fandom doesn't know how to write one, either, because they'd rather teabag each other. If that is the argument, I agree, you should all go back to your simulators. I only ask "What about the people who DIDN'T want to teabag each other?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:47:46 No.35435245 Report

Quoted By: >>35440477

>>35435122
If Pokemon didn't have some sort of narrative, it could be beaten in hours and people would complain about that too. What we need here is an option to skip dialogue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:48:36 No.35435251 Report

Quoted By: >>35435301 >>35435824

>>35434657
gen 5 was the worst
gen 7's story was still somewhat annoying, but at least the game itself was okay.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 22:55:57 No.35435301 Report

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>>35435251
retard

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Anonymous Fri 27 Apr 2018 23:10:10 No.35435371 Report

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I've had it explained to me once that even to decide to play a game in itself is to adhere to the narrative it wants to convey. If you didn't want to do the task presented, then you shouldn't have played it. Pokemon does have a goal in mind, and if you didn't want to achieve that goal, then why are you here? Granted, this goal was never presented well, and for the most part, you are forced into it, but it was still what you are intended to do, regardless of anything else. So our goal is to become the Champion. If we were to strictly adhere to this, there is a LOT that is superfluous to this intent, and there is also a lot that doesn't make trying to achieve this goal particularly engaging. The only way to accomplish this is to make the opponents more interesting, and gameplay alone COULD accomplish this. Is this what you seek? Just to fight a series of opponents with no further fluff whatsoever?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 00:51:55 No.35435824 Report

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>>35435251
> but at least the game itself was okay.
Whenever it wasn't about to fucking crash when you use your shitty Limit Breaks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 00:56:14 No.35435837 Report

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>>35434907

Just add a skip button or add a option that disables the bulk of the plot. I don't mind cutscenes on a first run but they kill replay value.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 00:56:51 No.35435840 Report

Quoted By: >>35435932 >>35435996

>>35434661
I was going to fake agree but I can't even falseflag that hard

>>35434697
This is also a literal meme

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:04:39 No.35435886 Report

Quoted By: >>35436459 >>35441146

The moment I knew I would have a bad time with gen VII was about ten minutes in, when I restarted because I got a female rowlet and I wanted a male to go with the nickname I had planned for it. I didn't save, so I had to rewatch the opening cutscene. I should have just returned the game at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:15:14 No.35435932 Report

Quoted By: >>35435993 >>35436025

>>35435840
>This is also a literal meme
How is it a meme you retard? There's like one or two cases where the MC goes from a cold lifeless stare to looking mildly bemused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:15:19 No.35435933 Report

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A skip button was all it was ever needed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:20:05 No.35435950 Report

Quoted By: >>35436070

>>35434666
I dislike both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:23:52 No.35435964 Report

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This trash wouldn't even be as bad if you could skip the cutscenes, or at the very least hold down B to autoadvance all text. Nobody cares about gen 7's story except for thirsty waifufags

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:26:47 No.35435972 Report

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>>35434674
And to make matters worse how many of them can you skip? Zero.

Coming from someone who loves story because they're a fucking published poet and writer I need to see it once.

Being unable to skip long drawn out fucking cutscenes absolutely kills replayability of any game.

It's like, would I rather replay S/M/US/UM or would I rather replay Xenoverse 2 or even fucking movie cutscene Xenoblade Chronicles 2?

I'll take either of the X games any day, thanks. Why? Because when I press start or enter or + the cutscenes I've already seen go the fuck away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:31:58 No.35435993 Report

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>>35435932
No, there's one example where they stare blankly and it's the one nobody ever remembers despite it being completely retarded that they do

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:32:25 No.35435996 Report

Quoted By: >>35436035

>>35435840
It's a meme because it's true. The MC's overworld model is literally incapable of emotion.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:33:21 No.35435997 Report

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>>35434657
that's because BW has an actually story going on through the entire game and the dialogues aren't all "ahah dude malasadas! Nebby get in the bag xDDD" for 90% of the game
Neither are up my alley when it comes to pokemon games though

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:33:41 No.35435998 Report

Quoted By: >>35436083

>>35434657
>cutscenes that stops you to tell a story vs cutscenes that stops you to show how cute lillie is
Boy I wonder why people hate gen 7's cutscenes, let's make a stupid vp thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:38:03 No.35436019 Report

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>>35434697
>MC's Stand is there with a sociopath stare. Uncaring about any event that unfolds
Now that would have been interesting

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:38:35 No.35436022 Report

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>>35434657
>Cutscenes in gen 7
*1-4 min of camera panning and non important dialog that happens every time you go to a new place*
>Cutscenes in gen 5
*30 sec of characters giving you mostly important dialog is dwarfed by how much time you are actually playing the game*

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:39:17 No.35436025 Report

Quoted By: >>35436060 >>35436416 >>35437788

>>35435932
Yeah there is no debate here. It's made even worse by how animated everyone else is; Lillie grabbing her backpack, hau jumping up and down, kukui gesturing wildly about that masked chap.

It might be a bit too Tumblr but it would be interesting to see options in character creation that affect your players animations. Just something simple like,

"Why don't we get to know each other? How would you describe yourself?"
>Happy-go-lucky! (Hau/Shauna)
>Calm and collected. (Standard player character demeanour but with more expressions gestures. Looks like you actually know you're having a conversation etc)
>A little shy.. (Lillie I guess but less intense)

No need to be more complicated since it's not supposed to be a personality test; just a lorefriendly way to decide how your character reacts during cutscenes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:42:42 No.35436033 Report

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>>35434907
Skip. Button. This isn't hard. They could even make it a button combo like A + B is GF was worried about the kiddies accidentally skipping the oh so important cutscenes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:42:45 No.35436035 Report

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>>35435996
False.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:45:06 No.35436042 Report

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as someone who liked gen 7, the cutscenes were ridiculous, sorry
not only that, the game was incredibly railroaded, meaning you were commonly forced into watching them (can't even skip them)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:51:03 No.35436060 Report

Quoted By: >>35436095 >>35436416

>>35436025
That would be neat. But how do you make your character smug or mad?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:54:46 No.35436070 Report

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>>35435950
I dislike gen 7, but I find gen 5 to be painfully mediocre.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:55:18 No.35436071 Report

Quoted By: >>35436328

>>35434657
Both are shit
>B-b-but muh truth and ideals
The story is also fucking trash, go play an RPG with a real story

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 01:59:20 No.35436083 Report

Quoted By: >>35439103

>>35435998
Also, it stops you to tell a story YOU'RE a part of. In Gen 1-6, YOU are the main character. YOU are the one on an adventure, catching pokemon and beating gyms. Any annoying friends you might have are just tagging along for YOUR ride. And then you get gen 7, where you're just a side character, and Lillie is the main character. The plot revolves entirely around her, and you're just her sociopathic bodyguard. It never feels like an adventure, because you're just pushed around from place to place being told what to do. Even the trials, which were meant to replace gyms, feel like they're just tacked on. You're not doing them to get stronger or anything, you're just doing them because Lillie doesn't need help at that particular moment.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:03:00 No.35436095 Report

Quoted By: >>35436416

>>35436060
>I'm pretty sure of myself!
>I take things seriously.

Maybe? Idk, i don't think "I'm a cunt" is appropriate but hard to make an option that doesn't contradict the narrative of you being a good person who cares deeply for their Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:09:09 No.35436125 Report

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>>35434674
Gen 5 also has a better story

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:14:28 No.35436160 Report

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Can't we just /thread this already? Both are shit. It's like trying to choose the best turd in the toilet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:18:32 No.35436174 Report

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>>35434657
Gen V had dark tall grass and no Lillie.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:54:43 No.35436328 Report

Quoted By: >>35436336

>>35436071
>story is also fucking trash

Which is why the unnecessary additional time spent on it is so annoying. Cutscenes every now and then for story telling but the experience just hadn't been made pleasant.
I've lost so much time this gen to GF sucking off the 3D camera angles; the "let's get 5 angles before we advance the turn" shit in the battle tree is unspeakable.
I have no issue with cutscenes at all I just wish they were more streamlined and that my character was a part of them.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:55:46 No.35436336 Report

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>>35436328
*cutscenes for story telling are fine

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 02:58:50 No.35436352 Report

Quoted By: >>35444046

>Cutscene in Gen 5
Oh man this is boring I'm just going to mash A through it.
>30 seconds later
Oh okay it's over.

>Cutscene in gen 7
Oh man this is boring I'm just going to mash A through it.
>Gotta wait for this bitch to put her hands on her hips, camera zoom in, laugh, move two pixels left, wave her hand around, then laugh again
>Aw fuck some other fag showed up
>Now he's got his hands on his hips and it's zooming in on him
It's been four fucking minutes and now it's finally over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:00:55 No.35436360 Report

Quoted By: >>35436416 >>35444255

>>35434697
I think it'd be pretty cool if future gens let you set your MC's "cutscene personality" a bit. Like, if you pick a "determined" character, they always look fired up and ready to go when shit hits the fan. Or if you pick neutral, you can get a deadpan blank stare, or sarcastic. Give the MC a bit of flavor.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:03:32 No.35436376 Report

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>>35434858
Even the longer cutscenes in BW2 when Hugh was going full MUHPURLOIN were at least given a battle in between. The absolute longest Gen 5 cutscenes in both occur right near the end of the game. Even N's big ass monologue in Nimbasa City is only about two minutes long.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:06:33 No.35436394 Report

Quoted By: >>35438918

>>35435043
See, my confusion with the whole "it's hypocritical to hate Gen 7's story heavy nature while praising Gen 5" is the idea that just having a plot makes something bad.

Let's just say you fucking hate story in games. At the end of the day, how much gameplay is left in SM once you remove the story? Then what about BW?

Think about the sheer level of exploration BW had, the gameplay, all the new Pokemon to catch, whereas SM is corridor city, very few items to find, very few new pokemon, and many new pokemon are locked behind absurdly low catch rates.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:06:42 No.35436396 Report

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>>35434657
I'm playing both W2 and UM right now and W2 feels fast as shit for what was once considered a story-heavy game. I liked Moon but that game wasn't made to be played more than once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:06:56 No.35436398 Report

Quoted By: >>35436469

>>35434674
This.
And story quality matters, most players don't mind a more cinematic game provided that the story is engaging enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:11:40 No.35436416 Report

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>>35436360
>>35436025
>>35436060
>>35436095

Yeah I suggested these earlier I think it would be a cool way to go. With switch hardware they have the chance to make characters look more alive than ever.
Though i'd still be fine with the protagonist being more expressive and aware of the conversation happening around them by default but the option to add a little flavour would be nice.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:22:23 No.35436459 Report

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>>35435886
I had the same experience except I was resetting for a Jolly one.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:26:14 No.35436469 Report

Quoted By: >>35436470 >>35436581 >>35437708 >>35439138 >>35439251 >>35441206

>>35436398
Exactly. There are plenty of games I'll happily sit and read all the dialogue for - even other kid friendly Nintendo offerings like super Mario - but when it's vapid childishness it's hard to be engaged.

I get that it's a kid's game but I was reading about Tintin disrupting the chinese opium trade when I was 6. I loved those comics because it wasn't "oh no Dennis the menace has stolen a pie". Tame interactions and excessive handholding keep Pokémon story from having any real gravitas.

They have one of the most interesting universes to tell stories in - with limitless potential for heartfelt stories of trainer and Pokémon - but they are holding themselves back with the usual "these guys are good and are nice to their Pokémon, these guys are the bad guys so they treat Pokémon like shit. This is the main bad guy he/she is going to misuse the box legendary for his/her nefarious scheme." They could create a much richer experience for a broader age range if they weren't do stuck in their ways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 03:27:17 No.35436470 Report

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>>35436469
**Super paper mario

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 04:05:16 No.35436581 Report

Quoted By: >>35436617

>>35436469
The old formula never fails to give them millions, they won't change a thing because no matter how much we criticize, in the end our wallets send them the opposite message.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 04:12:15 No.35436617 Report

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>>35436581
That's irrelevant.

At the end of the day the actual content of the game doesn't matter all too much, as long as it's called Pokemon and is played like Pokemon, everything else does not matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:18:27 No.35437708 Report

Quoted By: >>35441190

>>35436469

This. At this point, even Kirby sounds more interesting regarding plots than the fucking entirety of 7th gen. Even Kirby doesn't treat you this much like a baby and sneaks, not necessarily edgy stuff, but things to mull about. The whole point of Pokemon was so you, as a trainer, finally mature (the trainer begins at age 10 or a bit later after that) and go in a adventure with your pokemon. You never really feel that in Gen 7th because you feel like you're being treated like a child every time and even the villains, despite their themes, feel a bit watered down for all that. I don't usually mind happy-go-lucky attitudes or happy things in my plot, but when it's in excess, it just goes beyond ridicule. Alola just felt like that, despite the whole UB plot and the legends plot. Never mind the fact that your character is just forced to look just as chipper as the characters surrounding them, with that static ":)" face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:26:44 No.35437740 Report

Quoted By: >>35444046

>>35434657
>cutscenes in gen 7
>around every corner, long, obnoxious and slow zoom ins just for a character to change expression

>cutscenes in gen 5
>one at the beginning and end of a city with one or two exceptions (plasma fights), short, no zoom ins

It's not that hard to see why one is liked and the other is hated.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:32:45 No.35437764 Report

Quoted By: >>35437777 >>35437957 >>35438693

>This fucking thread

If all you want is the battles, just play Showdown and quit bitching that your Role-Playing Game has a story to set that role playing to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:35:59 No.35437777 Report

Quoted By: >>35437823

>>35437764
>pokemon games are only cutscenes and battles nothing else exists to me!
Really anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:38:32 No.35437788 Report

Quoted By:

>>35436025
>Tumblr
if making games more interesting means being tumblr then maybe they've been right all along

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:39:11 No.35437797 Report

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>>35434666
This desu. Thanks satan

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:44:24 No.35437823 Report

Quoted By: >>35437836

>>35437777
there's a mild element of exploration but that boils down to go in cave, wander through maze, pick up items, catch rare pokemon. sometimes they'll throw in a curve ball and add solve puzzles into the equation. and i'm talking about off the beaten path exploration, not going from one town to the other. other than that, yeah, pokemon is mostly just battles and talking to people, they've just given evil team leaders more than one line of dialogue since the 90's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:46:07 No.35437836 Report

Quoted By: >>35437847

>>35437823
Maybe showdown is more fitting for your tastes anon.
The chat can be your replacement for the exposition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:47:23 No.35437847 Report

Quoted By: >>35437908

>>35437836
>ree stop disliking gen 7 showdown showdown don't ask for better games
Seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 10:54:33 No.35437876 Report

Quoted By: >>35437913

>>35434670
You are full of shit if you actually believe this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:00:44 No.35437908 Report

Quoted By: >>35437911

>>35437847
That's a hilarious amount of hypocrisy anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:01:41 No.35437911 Report

Quoted By: >>35437916

>>35437908
At least you're self-aware. You're a hypocrite indeed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:02:10 No.35437913 Report

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>>35437876
This just in, most people currently posting on /vp/ haven't actually played a gen 5 game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:03:15 No.35437916 Report

Quoted By: >>35437922

>>35437911
Can't say the same about you though can we given you're still complaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:05:05 No.35437922 Report

Quoted By: >>35437933 >>35437956

>>35437916
Still seething I see. It's alright, you were born with shit taste. Garbage >>>>>>> gen 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:08:17 No.35437933 Report

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>>35437922
Well you aren't wrong there. Kicking a ball of trash is better than Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:13:46 No.35437956 Report

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>>35437922
Imagine being this mad that someone doesn't like cutscenes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:13:54 No.35437957 Report

Quoted By: >>35437960

>>35437764
>The story in gen 7th
>Story

It feels more like a bedtime story if anything, one where you can put [your] daughter as Lillie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 11:14:56 No.35437960 Report

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>>35437957
>more like a bedtime story
Pretty funny for an autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 12:42:48 No.35438310 Report

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>>35434657
Gen 5 actually used cut scenes ONLY for important story parts. Gen 7 uses them for every silly little smalltalk between main characters. Not comparable. Furthermore gen 5 actually had a real story with thought put into it, not an illogical mess thats shoved down your throat at the last part of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 12:54:37 No.35438349 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
>criticizing Gen 5
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 13:08:05 No.35438419 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434697
this, that fucking smile was creepy was hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:08:57 No.35438693 Report

Quoted By: >>35438952

>>35437764
People play Pokemon to play Play Pokemon, I.E battling, trading, exploration, the story always came second and you were never forced onto a track. So no, I don't want just battling, I want to actually find new Pokemon, to trade without an annoying rainbow lobby made to look like a daycare, to actually have that sense of discovery and adventure.

>> B-But Gen 5 has a story TOO!!
And it wasn't forced upon you nearly as much, there were plenty of new Pokemon to find, there were still exploration and the game didn't take it's damn time to shuffle through the same character animations, and most of the time it was unrelated BS to the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:45:53 No.35438907 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434674
/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:47:10 No.35438909 Report

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>>35434754
Still means SM and even ORAS and XY has much more cutscene than any game before them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:49:21 No.35438918 Report

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>>35436394
This. When I played SM I felt like I only started playing after reaching Poni (the last island). Before? It was weird cutscene fest with little actual exploring.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:52:41 No.35438931 Report

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>>35434666
Same

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 14:57:42 No.35438952 Report

Quoted By: >>35439627

>>35438693
The structure of the game itself is only conducive to battling. Everything else is not as important or irrelevant. So yes, you are "forced" onto a track, but apparently the entire point of the game was to be on that track, so why did you play the game to start with if you didn't want to be on that track. Trading is only marginally important to that since they made the game to where you can't have certain mons unless you trade. Truly, I don't believe that this is conducive to battling, because if it was, then everything would be available right away, or you would at least be able to earn the right to use it. This isn't earning, it's gifting. Exploration does have you earn things, but it's a deviation from what your goal is supposed to be. True, it can help you get stronger, but it's not the only thing that does that, and there may indeed be more practical methods of doing the same thing. So exploration isn't really that important, either.

There is only one true Pokemon.

Go back to your simulators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:01:25 No.35438971 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434674
This dammit, and DESU I'd have no problem with the long drawn out cutscenes if they'd let you fuckin skip them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:02:48 No.35438980 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434754
The right is still a cutscene faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:23:27 No.35439096 Report

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>>35434666
Here. The only correct answers.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:24:36 No.35439103 Report

Quoted By: >>35439638 >>35446177

>>35436083
>lillie is the main character
>she can't do nothing alone
How can you say that she is the "main character" of the story, if she doesn't resolve anything. YOU are the hero, she's just the one who needs to be rescued or helped (in this case you're helping cosmog and the entire Alola too), it's like you're saying "well peach is the protagonist of super mario, because he is just a plumber, it's not his story".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:26:57 No.35439113 Report

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>>35434657
I don't care about cutscenes ever; the stories always range from mediocre to terrible and the dialogue is always blander than bread and water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:27:21 No.35439116 Report

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>>35434657
Cutscenes in 5gen were directed very well. SM as well USUM wher VERY cringeworthy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:28:44 No.35439126 Report

Quoted By: >>35444046

>>35434674
You missed:
>character walks
>stops
>turns
>stops
>walk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:30:14 No.35439138 Report

Quoted By: >>35439152 >>35439669

>>35436469
With that logic, you literally can't enjoy any pokémon game. Ever.

I enjoy the gameplay de new pokémon, routes, waifus, aimie. Pokémon is still for me. Not for you. Stop suffering and stop playing the new ones, because they are not gonna turn back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:30:38 No.35439140 Report

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>>35434754
Tje right is a cutscene

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:32:35 No.35439152 Report

Quoted By: >>35439209

>>35439138
None of that is gameplay. The only gameplay is battles. It always was battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:38:32 No.35439185 Report

Quoted By:

The story in gen 5 centered around Pokemon and the moral quandary of using them to battle with. Even though it was plot heavy it still focused on Pokemon where as gen 7 was all about Lillie. Yeah N existed but N was still focused on Pokemon and Pokemon accessories Lillie was just waifubait for low-test gooks.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:42:14 No.35439209 Report

Quoted By: >>35439211 >>35439223 >>35439294

>>35439152
>the only gameplay is battle
what are the breeding, trading, catching, amie/refresh, photo-mode, surf-mantine etc.?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:43:04 No.35439211 Report

Quoted By: >>35439231

>>35439209
grinding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:44:26 No.35439223 Report

Quoted By: >>35439257

>>35439209
things that will be gone in the next generation, as always. Only battle stays.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:45:42 No.35439231 Report

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>>35439211
>grinding isn't part of the gameplay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:46:08 No.35439234 Report

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both are awful but gen 7 was even worse about it
gen 6 was better than both of them because of it even though its balance is complete shit especially in the late game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:48:04 No.35439246 Report

Quoted By: >>35439258 >>35439295

I think the difference is gen 5 story was good and more mature whole gen 7 and 6 for that matter were simplistic and dumbed down from what could have been a much more interesting adventure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:48:48 No.35439251 Report

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>>35436469
↑↑↑THIS↑↑↑

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:49:20 No.35439257 Report

Quoted By: >>35444281

>>35439223
>breeding, trading, catching are always been part of the game (breeding started since gen 2)
>refresh is the gen 7 version of amie
>implying when they remove a feature they don't add other ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:49:22 No.35439258 Report

Quoted By: >>35439296

>>35439246
>gen 5 story
>good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:55:12 No.35439294 Report

Quoted By: >>35439889

>>35439209
Auxiliary to battling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:55:30 No.35439295 Report

Quoted By: >>35440286

>>35439246
>gen 5 story was good and more mature
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:55:33 No.35439296 Report

Quoted By: >>35439301

>>35439258
It was certainly more interesting and thematically concise than Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:57:14 No.35439301 Report

Quoted By:

>>35439296
compared to Gen 7 yeah it's good

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 15:59:53 No.35439315 Report

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>>35434657
I've played both Gen 5 and 7 again recently.

Gen 5's interruptions were much quicker, less frequent, less hand holding, and less intrusive.

Gen 7's interruptions were longer, slower, and more frequent.

And overall, Gen 5 has a slightly better story, to boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:02:19 No.35439327 Report

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>>35434674
>character approaches player and delivers some dialogue
engine limitations, gen 7 is what gen 5 would be on 3ds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:03:09 No.35439331 Report

Quoted By: >>35439334 >>35439351 >>35447508

>BW speedrun: 3h 16m 54s
>SM speedrun: 5h 16m 40s
I don't really need to add anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:03:34 No.35439334 Report

Quoted By: >>35442192

>>35439331
what are you trying to prove

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:06:58 No.35439351 Report

Quoted By: >>35444195

>>35439331
It needs a lot more actually, because it needs to be shown that the extra time is because of useless filler like cutscenes and not actual content. Based on the times you provided alone, I could just as well conclude that SM is a longer game with more content.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:49:32 No.35439627 Report

Quoted By: >>35439684

>>35438952
Your goals for Pokemon were always to collect and to become strong. Hau jumping around, Lillie being moody and Gladion contemplating shooting up a school doesn't add any value to that. The only game that DOES try to give you a track to follow is Sun and Moon, Previous gens did have a story but you were free to explore as you like, new Pokemon to either trade or battle with, not to have a leash on you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:51:24 No.35439638 Report

Quoted By: >>35440566

>>35439103
Because you're irrelevant to the story, Mario is the protagonist because it's his quest, Lusamine's BS involved you only because of Lillie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 16:57:09 No.35439669 Report

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>>35439138
Pokemokn in the past is different from now, I can enjoy past games without automatically liking the new ones via association. Christ, I adore gen 3 but I despise OrAs even though it's a remake, because of the goofy models, I just prefer sprite art basically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:00:23 No.35439684 Report

Quoted By: >>35439720 >>35439746

>>35439627
What game did you play, because it wasn't pokemon. The initial goal that is stated in all of them is NEVER to become the Champion, but guess what? You have to do it anyway. The way you get through the gyms is concrete, at least since the 3rd gen. You technically can decide the order in 1 and 2, but not for all of them, and no alternative was given to you for achieving the same goal. You're doing the same things, just in a different order. It ultimately means nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:07:40 No.35439720 Report

Quoted By: >>35439732

>>35439684
> The initial goal that is stated in all of them is NEVER to become the Champion
Nigger the game ends when you BEAT the champion

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:09:59 No.35439732 Report

Quoted By: >>35439755

>>35439720
That is what I am saying, but you aren't told to do that in the beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:10:14 No.35439735 Report

Quoted By: >>35439765

I'm a pokemon casual. I just enjoy going through the singleplayer and enjoying a nice little pokemon world. The only game I've ever outright dropped was Moon because it was just slow and boring as hell. I'm not joking when I say it took me like two hours to actually feel like I'd started the game. Maybe SM isn't a bad game overall but its pacing is absolute dogshit. People like to pile on XY but I enjoyed them just fine by comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:12:23 No.35439746 Report

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>>35439684
You do know the champion is the final boss, you know, the end goal for almost every video game? With the exception of Ghetsis but you become champion after beating him anyway, the END credits also state this is the end, everything else is post game, interviews even state that a lot of content, including completing the Pokedex is saved for post game, and you know HOW you do it? By exploring new areas and finding new Pokemon.

You still haven't explained how the fucking linear storyline of Sun & Moon has anything to do with that, despite previous games not needing it in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:13:46 No.35439755 Report

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>>35439732
You are told to complete the pokedex and to do the gyms/trials, the latter ultimately leads to the Elite Four and Champion.

A caterpillar becoming a cocoon ultimately results in a butterfly, whether told to or not, it's literally part of the foundation of Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:15:23 No.35439765 Report

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>>35439735
X and Y at least had that easy to use PSS or whatever it's called very early on, Sun and Moon took forever to even get started.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 17:43:08 No.35439889 Report

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>>35439294
>auxiliary to battle
>implying auxiliary mechanics/features aren't part of the gameplay and can be played separately
>implying you can't play surf-mantine or using photo-mode just for fun
The absolute state of /vp/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 18:08:23 No.35440005 Report

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>>35434657
Cutscenes just aren't skipable or even almost completely compressible by holding down B and sliding your thumb to A in gen 7. I'd never replay a gen 7 game because of that.

As for story quality itself, Sun/Moon is a definite let down all around. Ultra fixes a lot of the super messy parts but removes the dope UB hunt and flops where it could really make itself an experience that sticks. Rainbow Rocket was a well done addition, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 18:49:26 No.35440286 Report

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>>35439295
You know what, gen 5's story was very a mature take on Pokemon. Characters developed over the course of the game and the conflict was centered around the philosophy of Pokemon battles. You can go fuck yourself

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 18:51:16 No.35440298 Report

Quoted By: >>35440321 >>35446227

>>35434657
I actually liked the story of sun and moon charming characters and funny dialogue,what I didn’t like is fucking USUM is that it added nothing but a few useless characters in the story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 18:54:32 No.35440321 Report

Quoted By: >>35440351

>>35440298
No the characters in SM are not charming or funny you fucking retard, they are extremely bland one-notes and never say anything even remotely interesting or witty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 18:57:42 No.35440351 Report

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>>35440321
That’s were your wrong kid I mean yea certain ones do suck balls,and I didn’t say ALL the characters I meant by some,and apart from that it did have a nice story

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:03:37 No.35440396 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434674
>*Tilts head to side*
>*Grins*
>*Puts hands on hips*

>*Closes eyes*
>*Puts hand to chin, other hand on elbow*

Canned animation for all these overworld characters really hurt it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:07:25 No.35440417 Report

Quoted By: >>35440432 >>35440505 >>35446346

Not as bad as the people who shit on Gen VII and then proceed to fellate PMD.
I don't even like Gen VII but people need to get a grip

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:09:35 No.35440432 Report

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>>35440417
at least you can just hold B through all the text in PMD if you don't care about it, and there's actual gameplay. Gen 7 is just an onslaught of trainers with 1 pokemon, and at that point they're just wild pokemon that drop money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:15:44 No.35440477 Report

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>>35435245
I miss being able to finish an entire game in a day like in Gold version where all you needed was two Pokémon (a starter and a random mon of your choice) and the rest were HM slaves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:21:55 No.35440505 Report

Quoted By: >>35440586

>>35440417
PMD actualy has interesting text unlike any mainline game

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:31:56 No.35440566 Report

Quoted By: >>35441601

>>35439638
>Mario is the protagonist because it's his quest
Given by who? Because at this point, Lillie gives us the quest to protect nebby and save alola. "we" are not so irrivelent in the story, because the one who actually "saves the situations" is us. So how can the mc be so irrevelant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:34:38 No.35440586 Report

Quoted By: >>35446377

>>35440505
>generic time travel with a trope-filled cast
>interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:42:45 No.35440646 Report

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gen 5 and 7 are the most similar design size, it's silly that there is such a divide

it's literally just because the 3ds cutscenes have camera angles and expressions that people dislike it

I'm replaying white version abs you waste so much time with the gym leaders, it's funny how people give it a free pass

I like both gens, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:44:11 No.35440657 Report

Quoted By: >>35440687 >>35440749

>>35434657
Cutscenes in 5 actually involved a degree of tension and conflict. In 7 it's mostly just
>"Oh hey, nice to meet ya!!!! : ) :)"
>"Oh hey protag, don't you think this world is so amazing and vast!!?? Let's both keep getting stronger and stronger!!"
>"Hey, I'm a completely pointless NPC who's only purpose is to give you a tutorial on this game's terrible side feature!! I hope this doesn't feel shoehorned in!!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:47:21 No.35440669 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434754
Right is still a cutscene, just not a cinematic cutscene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:47:48 No.35440672 Report

Quoted By:

Gen 7 cutscenes break up the gameplay, not in a good way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:49:11 No.35440687 Report

Quoted By: >>35440711

>>35440657
are you kidding me
do you remember anything that happened in aether foundation?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:51:49 No.35440711 Report

Quoted By: >>35440872

>>35440687
>one story progressive cut scene is an ocean of pointless time wasting

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 19:57:03 No.35440749 Report

Quoted By: >>35440826 >>35441158

>>35440657
>Cutscenes in 5 actually involved a degree of tension and conflict
L M A O

Man Unovabortions are so utterly blinded by their nostalgia. Remember when Team Plasma undermined their entire point and turned into Diet Team Rocket, ensuring their place as the lamest and most forgettable evil team? Remember when N basically did fucking nothing all game instead of repeatedly challenging your ideals like he was supposed to, and wound up as the most cringeworthy Mary Sue the series has ever seen? Truly the great patrician Pokemon games we all deserve.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:02:10 No.35440774 Report

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>>35434657
They both suck, maybe next time you can start your argument in a manner that doesn't come off as childish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:08:00 No.35440826 Report

Quoted By:

>>35440749
>the most cringeworthy Mary Sue the series has ever seen?

Not to defend gen 5 but have you even seen Lillie's stupid shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:16:44 No.35440872 Report

Quoted By: >>35440881 >>35441020

>>35440711
could say the same about gen 5 though
remember nimbasa city? it makes you go to the musical theater to dress up your pokemon, and elesa has plenty of cutscenes that don't amount to anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:20:05 No.35440881 Report

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>>35440872
That's true, I'm not saying that in defense of gen 5. But gen 7 still has like three times as many cut scenes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:41:11 No.35441020 Report

Quoted By: >>35446874 >>35452034

>>35440872
>elesa has plenty of cutscenes that don't amount to anything
Refresh my memory? I remember the one where she talks to Bianca and her dad, but that's the only one I really remember. Even then, it gave Bianca a bit of development, so I wouldn't say it was entirely pointless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:48:29 No.35441071 Report

Quoted By: >>35446522

>Series about cool monsters.
>Make the story about some girl's family problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 20:56:32 No.35441127 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434789
Kids don't care about story in games - they like the gameplay. The cutscenes would be just as boring for them as they are for us.
I remember playing Halo 2 when I was younger and I had no idea what was going on, I just liked shooting the grunts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 21:00:04 No.35441146 Report

Quoted By:

>>35435886
I feel for anyone trying to get a shiny starter in SM by soft resetting. It could take upwards of 200 hours if you're unlucky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 21:02:23 No.35441158 Report

Quoted By:

>>35440749
I never said gen 5 was perfect :) but for the most part it had an engaging story. Even when the story took a backseat in BW2, cutscenes usually always involved some degree of progression or development. Even if your rival's whole stolen cat schtick was kind of retarded, at least he had a motivation that always got showcased.

He also wasn't like Hau. Hau is actually quite pleasant and almost realistic with his dialogue. But it's unnecessary and uninteresting. Why should I care about some normal kid? The only ((interesting)) thing about him is that he's a trainer that's aiming for the top... oh wait, that's us. And we've seen it 1000 times before...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 21:07:18 No.35441190 Report

Quoted By: >>35446537

>>35437708
It seemed like the games were maturing up until gen 7 too. The protags were progressively getting older - we had 15 year olds in BW and 17 year olds in XY. But then we go back to 10 year olds in gen 7 for what reason? Because kids will identify more with a character who mentions they're 10 once and looks like a kid than one who is mentioned to be 17 in an after-game sidequest and looks a bit more mature (taller, a bit more serious)?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 21:10:08 No.35441206 Report

Quoted By: >>35443830 >>35446201

>>35436469
Here's what Gamefreak should be modeling the story off of, in terms of tone and complexity. A kid's game story done well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 22:12:27 No.35441601 Report

Quoted By: >>35445177

>>35440566
No, because Mario has a reason for doing so, We, as the protagonist, have nothing to do with Lillie as just a Pokemon trainer, our journey begins without her and ends without her, our goal is the finish the trials and become champion, Lillie's BS isn't a necessity to that, it's just something to progress the plot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 23:28:22 No.35442192 Report

Quoted By: >>35444564

>>35439334
that there is about 2+ extra hours with A-pressing in SM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 23:29:46 No.35442205 Report

Quoted By: >>35442286

I hate being a pokemon fan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Apr 2018 23:39:58 No.35442286 Report

Quoted By:

>>35442205
Same desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 01:17:52 No.35442885 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
Just dreaming up hypocrisies to post about now, are we?
I was fucking furious when they forced you to do that movie studio minigame in bw2, anyone who hates gen 7 for unskippable bullshit has plenty to also be mad at gen 5 for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 03:43:16 No.35443830 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441206
I love fighting the sentient internet.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 03:50:05 No.35443862 Report

Quoted By: >>35443879 >>35443946

Does Pokemon even need a story with cutscenes and lore and shit?
Why not just take the story out and let us run around and catch stuff?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 03:54:09 No.35443879 Report

Quoted By: >>35443995 >>35444846

>>35443862
Go play showdown cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:04:55 No.35443946 Report

Quoted By: >>35443983

>>35443862
pretty much this. the stories are always garbage designed for ten year olds and manchildren

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:13:34 No.35443983 Report

Quoted By: >>35443993

>>35443946
So that’s why it’s bad to improve on that flaw!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:15:09 No.35443993 Report

Quoted By:

>>35443983
only if you can't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:15:29 No.35443995 Report

Quoted By:

>>35443879
Ew, no.
I'm not saying get rid of the whole Pokemon world or anything. I'm just saying take out the story. They're never any good, they're always about you following somebody else with a camera while a story happens at you. You're given dialog choices that never amount to anything. The only real choice you ever get is which starter Pokemon you choose.
Maybe if they could hire writers who could craft a story where they player's actions, beliefs, dialog, even Pokemon choices had significant impact on the flow and progression of a story, and the player's character WAS the center of the story, then I'd be on board. But as it is, they have no idea how to write a player character with agency. And if they're unwilling to learn, they might as well give up and make Pokemon open-world, where you can catch things, battle gym leaders, and discover legendary Pokemon at your own pace.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:31:04 No.35444046 Report

Quoted By:

Me personally I don't mind and am mostly indifferent to the story in gen 7. It's shit like
>>35434674
>>35439126
>>35436352
>>35437740
that kills my interest and desire to play the game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:38:33 No.35444076 Report

Quoted By:

Just be grateful this mechanic didn't rear it's ugly head

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 04:49:28 No.35444120 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
Anyone got a non-phoneposters version of that chicken pic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:09:20 No.35444178 Report

Quoted By: >>35444218 >>35444226

Gen 5 is shit.
Gen 7 is shit.

/thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:12:14 No.35444195 Report

Quoted By:

>>35439351
Would a line from Werster count?
>"I can tell you one thing for sure, I am NOT speedrunning this game. Holy shit, the cutscenes."

- Werster, Pokemon Sun/Moon First Complete Playthrough (Part 1), Timestamp: 1:50:30

Not even two hours in and he knew how bad it would be to try replaying SM for a speedrun. Meanwhile he's fine planning and playing Emerald for almost 20 hours straight for an all gold symbols speedrun or play Sonic's Blue Spheres for 24 hours. Even his autism wouldn't deal with SM's cutscene heavy setup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:17:29 No.35444218 Report

Quoted By: >>35444226 >>35444727

>>35444178
This, amazing how much effort people put into arguing about which pile of shit smells the worst.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:20:08 No.35444226 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444178
>>35444218

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:26:04 No.35444248 Report

Quoted By: >>35450677

>>35434674
Fucking this. The animation and pauses liken it more to Golden Sun, which had long cutscenes where the characters can talk about very little, but the conversation will pause to show smilies and ellipses, and then show everyone's reactions with them saying one word before anyone says anything meaningful. Since you can't skip it on subsequent playthroughs either, it only gets more annoying if you want to play through the games again. Gen 5 still had some long cutscenes, but they were usually more people rambling than the slowness of Gen 7.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:28:45 No.35444255 Report

Quoted By: >>35444266

>>35434697
This. In older gens nobody was detailed enough to see facial expressions so you just imagined what you or what someone else was going through, but now that everyone around you has facial expressions it's really weird that the MC doesn't emote at all.
>>35436360
I like this idea. They could also add personalities like cowardly, cutesy, gloomy, etc. and allow you to customize your expressions and have a losing saying/pose in Wi-Fi battles. I miss that from Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:33:42 No.35444266 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444255
>They could also add personalities like cowardly, cutesy, gloomy, etc.
If you could change them mid game, I could see some fun roleplaying from that as a new trainer goes through highs and lows or grows from one personality to another, like Wally did.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:39:32 No.35444281 Report

Quoted By: >>35444286

I'm okay with cutscenes if I like the characters, cutscenes are always insufferable if I don't like whoever's talking.
>>35439257
Which sibling do you think gave her that cup?
Which other sibling got a spanking from mommy for forgetting that it was Mother's Day?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:40:49 No.35444286 Report

Quoted By: >>35444305

>>35444281
JewFaba did

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:42:24 No.35444291 Report

Quoted By: >>35444727

>>35434674
>>>cutscenes in gen 5
bad writing and static
>>>cutscenes in gen 7
kind of cinematic, but also boring

at least gen 7 tried i guess? not that i think cutscenes can define a game, but if you're bringing it up...
both are bad games on their own way

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 05:47:02 No.35444305 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444286
He wouldn't get just a spanking, she'd step on his balls too, barefooted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 07:08:22 No.35444564 Report

Quoted By:

>>35442192
that's not how this works my man

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 08:06:05 No.35444692 Report

Quoted By: >>35444713

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 08:17:30 No.35444713 Report

Quoted By: >>35444724

>>35444692

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 08:24:38 No.35444724 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444713
Obviously a unova faggot trying to get all the threads deleted because he can't handle the BTFO. Pathetic really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 08:25:39 No.35444727 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444218
>>35444291
This.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 09:25:20 No.35444846 Report

Quoted By:

>>35443879
You say "Play Showdown!" To literally everyone criticizing Gen 7's story on every thread, there is a difference between only wanting battling and wanting the story to be less forced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 11:36:53 No.35445177 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441601
Saving alola by a possible ubs invasion is something that you have to do if you want to be the champion, dude seriously, in usum you have to stop necrozma to absorb the light of Alola (and entire world), so you have something to do, even is there wasn't lillie involved. She just helps you and nebby. How can you be a champion or following your journey with the world in danger?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 14:37:58 No.35445710 Report

Quoted By: >>35446003 >>35450622

>>35434661
Go check out, they are long as gen 7, it seems like you didn't played the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 15:22:56 No.35445936 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434734
yes she is retard, she was designed to be le cute waifu, there's nothing interesting about her

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 15:37:02 No.35446003 Report

Quoted By:

>>35445710
>they are as long as gen 7
Have you played the beginning of ANY Pokémon game recently? Only in Gen 7 does it take almost an hour just to see a fucking Pokémon Center.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:12:36 No.35446177 Report

Quoted By: >>35446267

>>35439103
let me give you some context here: you destroyed hapu, the last kahuna, meaning you are literally one step away of becoming the champion. Does hapu congratulate you for that ? No she goes directely to lilie and says: "Phew... Well, I must applaud you, Lillie. You sure found a prodigious Trainer to befriend."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:16:21 No.35446201 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441206
>not 2, where you enter a place with radiation that's making the internet real

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:18:16 No.35446216 Report

Quoted By:

someone post the webm. you know the one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:20:19 No.35446227 Report

Quoted By:

>>35440298
nanu is literally the only character that made me chuckle , and thats just because he is a cynical asshole in the sea of goofs people call characters

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:29:32 No.35446267 Report

Quoted By: >>35446576

>>35446177
>"she goes directely to lilie and says"
Bullshit, she says that after she showed you the ground pose, before that she say something else directly to you.

Also this means nothing, you are always the one who will be rewarded anyway and does things in the story.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:40:54 No.35446346 Report

Quoted By:

>>35440417
>going through characters building up a relantionship of trust and friendship and exposition of a rich and exciting world is the same as going through an autistic kid jumping up and down screaming about a food he likes and a dumb blond tying up her hair ,calling it her "new phase"
tell me this is bait

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:42:51 No.35446361 Report

Quoted By: >>35446422 >>35446880 >>35447737

>It is the current year
>GameFreak can be arsed to shove cutscenes down your throat
>but they can't be arsed to provide a scene skip button like literally any other JRPG in the past decade
Then again, you guys gotta remember you're playing a Nintendo game, and they absolutely love to make you sit through unskippable scenes and tutorials. God you still can't even skip the Pokemon catching tutorial in these games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:45:29 No.35446377 Report

Quoted By:

>>35440586
>those trope-filled cast were all pokemon
a sunflora acting and talking like a basic bitch is one of the greatest thing ive seen in a pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 16:55:07 No.35446422 Report

Quoted By: >>35446577 >>35446880

>>35446361
The 3DS already has many games with skippable cutscenes, Fire Emblem: Echoes for example.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 17:15:49 No.35446522 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441071
>series about cool monsters
>make the story about some country kid from bumfuck town that is actually destined to becoming friends with a omnipotent being
the only stroy that isnt completely a cringefest the is gen1 story ,only becuase its the bland as fuck "muh journey" type of story

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 17:17:21 No.35446537 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441190
you can see this in the west too, the main characters of live-action children shows are progressively getting younger to appeal to the lil braindead kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 17:22:06 No.35446576 Report

Quoted By: >>35447204

>>35446267
>generic dialogue that every kahuna gives when they lose to anyone
sure makes you feel special

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 17:22:23 No.35446577 Report

Quoted By:

>>35446422
All the 3ds fire emblems actually. They also have a fast forward button to speed up battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 18:04:23 No.35446830 Report

Quoted By:

Are you fucking serious?

i loathe the cutscenes in gen V. B2W2 especially. IMO, they're the only parts of B2W2 that I don't like. The whole "absofusion" bullshit in Giant Chasm is my least favorite of all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 18:11:45 No.35446874 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441020
you had to go to Bianca, and she forces you to go in the theater and dress up one of your Pokemon

They thankfully don't make you go through the ENTIRE portion of the theater minigame, though. And after you do that, you go outside and witness the whole Biana-dad-Elesa confrontation thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 18:13:10 No.35446880 Report

Quoted By:

>>35446361
>>35446422
>tfw GSC is still the only Pokemon game that lets you skip the catching tutorial

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 19:16:36 No.35447116 Report

Quoted By:

I realized why gen 7 was so bad.
No pokemart theme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 19:29:17 No.35447149 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434666
Satan is right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 19:47:12 No.35447204 Report

Quoted By:

>>35446576
It doesn't matter if you feel special or not, that's subjective, i was just saying that what the poohposter said wasn't correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 19:52:01 No.35447220 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434907
>What exactly do you propose?
Make a game based on adventure not a railroaded story that a 12 year old could write

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 20:44:35 No.35447409 Report

Quoted By:

Everyone that's not me ITT should eat literal shit. Every single one of you, I don't care who you are, or what your opinions are, etc. All of you, just eat some shit okay? It can be dog shit, cat shit, cow shit, I don't care. Just eat some.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 20:47:54 No.35447420 Report

Quoted By: >>35447508

I wonder how much dialogue time is really between these two generations
playing gen 5 immediately after usum makes me feel like the only major difference is the camera angles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 21:04:50 No.35447508 Report

Quoted By:

>>35447420
>>35439331

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 21:30:06 No.35447623 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434666
Thanks Satan!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 21:59:22 No.35447737 Report

Quoted By:

>>35446361
You would really think they would give you the option to skip cutscenes, especially since they have a map marker telling you where to go afterwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 22:10:14 No.35447796 Report

Quoted By:

every time i think of gen 7 something new pops up that makes me hate it even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 22:11:22 No.35447805 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
Almost all the game is cutscene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Apr 2018 22:25:51 No.35447888 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
Based Gen V working the obese Gen VII marks into a foaming shoot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Apr 2018 06:52:28 No.35449662 Report

Quoted By:

i hope gen 8 is better

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Apr 2018 13:32:06 No.35450622 Report

Quoted By:

>>35445710
Are you retarded? Serious question

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Apr 2018 13:44:45 No.35450677 Report

Quoted By:

>>35444248
>filename isn't make bulba sore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Apr 2018 13:54:50 No.35450700 Report

Quoted By:

>>35434657
the longest cutscene in BW without advancing the text is N's Farewell and it lasts 3 minutes
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Apr 2018 18:48:16 No.35452034 Report

Quoted By:

>>35441020
there are scenes before and after the gym battle, leading into the pointless introduction of alder and waiting patiently for the game to lower the bridge and let you continue on only for clay to yell at you, seconds later[/spoiler

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