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Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:18:58 No.35821902 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>35821917 >>35821977 >>35821992 >>35822068 >>35822379 >>35822395 >>35822764 >>35822912 >>35823832 >>35823854 >>35823883 >>35827465 >>35827524

>Pidgey
>Pidgeotto

Why does he not use any gen 2 Pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:20:20 No.35821916 Report

Quoted By: >>35821949 >>35821963

First badge, transitioning player from Gen1 to Gen2.
You're welcome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:20:30 No.35821917 Report

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>>35821902
Because Gen 2 has a shit Pokedex

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:23:32 No.35821949 Report

Quoted By: >>35827506

>>35821916
No excuse
He couldve had a Pidgey and a Hoothoot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:25:40 No.35821963 Report

Quoted By: >>35823003

>>35821916
So then why'd only half of Johto's gym leaders use any johto pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:26:16 No.35821968 Report

Quoted By: >>35821985 >>35821990 >>35822026

The only real birds in Gen2 were Natu and Xatu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:26:34 No.35821972 Report

Quoted By: >>35822540

Even back then GF was pandering to Kanto.

At the very least he could’ve had a sparrow instead of a Pidgey

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:27:19 No.35821977 Report

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>>35821902
Didn’t he use a Hoothoot in the anime? Why didn’t they give him that instead of the Pidgey?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:28:04 No.35821985 Report

Quoted By: >>35822013 >>35822055 >>35822069

>>35821968
>What is Skarmory
>What is Murkrow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:28:43 No.35821990 Report

Quoted By: >>35822013 >>35822069 >>35822425

>>35821968
What about Skarmory?
That should've been his signature

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:28:50 No.35821992 Report

Quoted By: >>35822031 >>35822044

>>35821902
Because the first two gens were conceived as one only generation. GF didn't to make any difference or favoritism between Johto mons and Kanto mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:30:47 No.35822013 Report

Quoted By: >>35822042 >>35822139 >>35822220 >>35822463

>>35821990
>>35821985
>skarm in gym 1
no fucking way, that would be broken

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:31:50 No.35822026 Report

Quoted By: >>35822069 >>35822805 >>35823887

>>35821968
Nockowl

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:32:04 No.35822031 Report

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>>35821992
yeah but why use 2 of the same line

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:32:29 No.35822042 Report

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>>35822013
>Resist Grass
>Weak to Fire
>Water Neutral

Won't be much worse than Cranidos in D/P/Pt

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:32:36 No.35822044 Report

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>>35821992
came here to post this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:33:29 No.35822055 Report

Quoted By: >>35822076

>>35821985
No because those pokemon have New types

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:34:49 No.35822068 Report

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>>35821902
Gen 2 was designed as a sequel, and most of the Johtomons were only very recently discovered, just like how Eggs weren't a commonly-known thing until the player obtained Togepi's Egg from Mr. Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:34:53 No.35822069 Report

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>>35821990
>>35821985
>>35822026
All trash picks for Gym 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:35:51 No.35822076 Report

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>>35822055
Another reason it should be used

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:42:02 No.35822139 Report

Quoted By: >>35822158

>>35822013
Skarmory's move pool is garbage in gen 2, the decent moves it had were Steel wing, which is resisted by/does neutral damage to the starters and drill peck and sky attack, which are both learned by breeding and too strong for the first gym anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:43:24 No.35822158 Report

Quoted By: >>35822220

>>35822139
If its the first gym, why assume it qould have those moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:44:47 No.35822181 Report

Quoted By: >>35822254

They must not have solidified the "only pokemon within the gen" rule. Either that or Johto is already little more than an extension of Kanto already. Here are what the options were otherwise: Hoothoot, which would've made him scarcely different from the rest of the trainers in his gym. If he could have a hax Pidgeotto, he can have a hax Noctowl. Might've been a bit excessive. I guess as long as it didn't have Hypnosis. Natu would've been too overpowered no matter what. I guess they didn't want to give him Murkrow because reasons. Delibird just isn't signature pokemon material. And Skarmory would be overpowered.

The most plausible would've been a hax Noctowl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:47:28 No.35822220 Report

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>>35822158
I'm not, I'm saying Skarmory "broken" as >>35822013 say it would

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:49:38 No.35822254 Report

Quoted By: >>35822334 >>35822381

>>35822181
Off the top of my head I can already think of four Gym Leaders in Hoenn who have Pokémon outside of Gen III. Gamefreak has never done "this gen only" for Gyms, outside of Gen I when there were no other gens to pull from and Gen V where no other gens were accessible. And the moment they opened the floodgates for other gens with BW2, old mons came into play.

You're not wrong about this and Johto does have more old gen mons than other gens (Whitney, Jasmine, Pryce and Clair all only have one Gen II mon in their teams, and Clair and Jasmine's are cross-gen evos), but this is common practice every gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:58:04 No.35822334 Report

Quoted By: >>35822348 >>35822374

>>35822254
It gets a bit more ridiculous than that since only half of the Johto gyms (at least in GSC, don't remember for HGSS) have NO Johto Pokémon whatsoever. Compare that with RSE, where everybody had at least one Pokémon from Hoenn

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 18:59:23 No.35822348 Report

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>>35822334
This is a fair point - just think it's important to be clear that this is something that has happened to some degree in every gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:01:54 No.35822374 Report

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>>35822334
I'm an idiot who merged two different ways to go about the same thought into that first sentence. Pretend that either there is no "only" there or that NO is ANY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:02:09 No.35822379 Report

Quoted By: >>35822462

>>35821902
You could say the same of most Johto leaders. It’s dumb.

Falkner should’ve had Hoothoot or Noctowl on his team. Bugsy should’ve had Ledian/Ariados alongside Scyther rather than 2 useless cocoons. Morty should’ve had a Misdreavus rather than just all 3 stages of the Gastly line.

GS gym teams and wild Pokemon distribution was total shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:02:14 No.35822381 Report

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>>35822254
Well, they have any pokemon they want. I specifically meant signature pokemon, of which Wattson was the only one to not have one until Emerald gave him a Manectric. You have me on the matter this was not maintained in ORAS. I still think Emerald was the beginning of having all gym leaders feature a pokemon of the generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:02:16 No.35822382 Report

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Why didnt Morty use Misdrevus, or Bugsy use Heracross or Scisor, or Chuck use a Hitmontop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:03:39 No.35822395 Report

Quoted By: >>35822722

>>35821902
Should’ve had Natu and Noctowl or Hoothoot and Murkrow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:06:20 No.35822425 Report

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>>35821990
No, because they were holding back Steel types until you meet Jasmine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:09:42 No.35822462 Report

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>>35822379
Bugsy didnt even have Butterfree or Beedrill in the Rematch in HGSS.
Also the cocoon mons were over leveled in the initial battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:09:46 No.35822463 Report

Quoted By: >>35822501

>>35822013
Actually Skarmory would have been the perfect parallel to Brock's Onix.
>high defense, low special defense
>weak to one starter, neutral to another, resists third
>only knows Peck and Leer so not overwhelming
>introduces the player to the steel type and to a new pokemon
The only thing I'd worry about would be its base 80 attack stat, which is very high, but they could get around that by making the Skarmory the level 7 and keeping Pidgeotto the level 9 and not teaching Skarmory Mud-Slap

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:13:07 No.35822501 Report

Quoted By: >>35822669

>>35822463
>>weak to one starter, neutral to another, resists third

what exactly is the parallel to onix there being x4 weak to 2 starters?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:15:57 No.35822540 Report

Quoted By: >>35822651

>>35821972
>Go to any gym or grass in R/B
>All Kanto pokemon
LITERALLY always been pandering to genwunners

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:26:36 No.35822651 Report

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>>35822540
>First town of Gen 2
>It's closer to Kanto than any other town in Johto
Wwoooooow, GameFreak, wow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:28:12 No.35822669 Report

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>>35822501
It's not exactly the same. It's a loose parallel to how Grass, Water, and Fire were easy, normal, and hard for the early game in gen 1.
Fire (hard mode):
>weak to gyms 1 and 2, neutral to 3
Water (normal mode):
>strong to gym 1, resists gym 2 but also resisted by, weak to gym 3
Grass (easy mode):
>strong to gym 1, strong to gym 2 and resists gym 2, neutral to gym 3 and resists gym three

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:32:23 No.35822722 Report

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>>35822395
Hoot-hoot and Murkrow seems the best. It's two new pokemon, but Hoot-hoot is basically Pidgey anyway, and Murkrow isn't that much more dangerous than Pidgeotto either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:36:47 No.35822764 Report

Quoted By: >>35822849

>>35821902
>Falkner
hoothoot
pidgey
Murkrow
>Bugsy
Scyhter
Ledyba
spinark
>Whitney
Aipom
Jigglypuff
miltank
>Morty
Misdreavus
haunter
noctowl
Gengar
>Chuck
Primeape
Poliwrath
Heracross
>Jasmine
Skarmory
Magneton
Scizor
Steelix
>Pyrce
Jynx
Dewgong
Snesal
Piloswine/Mamoswine(HGSS)
>Clair
Dragonair
Gyrados
Yanma/Yanmega(HGSS)
Kingdra

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:42:19 No.35822805 Report

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>>35822026
>Implying owls are birds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:46:20 No.35822849 Report

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>>35822764
Bugsy should at least have Ledian. Probably Ariados as well. Clair having a Yanma/Yanmega is also a bit questionable. Oddly enough I think a Lapras with Dragonbreath or Dragonrage would suit her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 19:52:29 No.35822912 Report

Quoted By: >>35823057 >>35827575

>>35821902
Good questions.

Falkner: Hoothoot or Natu could have been used. But no, we get Pidgey family.

Bugsy: Ledyba? Spinarak? Pineco? Scizor? Fuck no, we get Scyther, Kakuna, and Metapod.

Whitney: Smeargle? Fuck no, we got Clefairy and Miltank.

Morty: Gastly, 2 Haunter, and a Gengar? Where is Misdreavus?

Chuck: Poliwrath and Primeape are fine since the last Fighting-type specialist didn't use them, but where's Heracross? Or Hitmontop?

Jasmine: Forretress? Skarmory? But no, we get two Magnemite and a Steelix. Not even Magneton. Fuck.

Pryce; Delibird? Sneasel? Fuck no, we got Seel (who isn't even Ice-type), Dewgong, and Piloswine.

Clair was fine. She used the two Dragons in Gen II.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 20:02:38 No.35823003 Report

Quoted By: >>35823026

>>35821963
Last time I checked Pidgey and Pidgeotto were native to Johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 20:04:53 No.35823026 Report

Quoted By: >>35823725

>>35823003
Since when

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 20:05:34 No.35823034 Report

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the new pokemon are rare on purpose to make people look for them and explore the world and make it exciting to see them, rather than just there on an early route
getting hitmontop in gsc is so cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 20:09:31 No.35823057 Report

Quoted By: >>35823245 >>35827549

>>35822912
>Bugsy
At least Syther evolves into Scizor

>Whitney
She's only into "cute" pokemon. So.....miltank. and technically, Cleffa exist

>Jasmine
Steelix really doesn't suit her at all. Skarmory should've went to her or Falkner

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 20:31:35 No.35823245 Report

Quoted By: >>35825839

>>35823057
>Steelix really doesn't suit her at all.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:21:00 No.35823725 Report

Quoted By: >>35823781

>>35823026
These are the locations you can meet wild Pidgey. Locations marked in red are found in Johto.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:27:17 No.35823781 Report

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>>35823725
Whoops, i assumed gen 2 instead of johto

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:34:22 No.35823832 Report

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>>35821902
Because he is not forced, Johto has the remaining typings Gen 1 hasn't used for the gyms, while the Pokemon are shared. Some Kanto mons are regional to Johto as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:36:46 No.35823854 Report

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>>35821902
>why a falconer uses the raptor bird line
you'd be surprised

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:39:29 No.35823883 Report

Quoted By: >>35826037

>>35821902
Kanto and Johto share Pokemon, leaders and league, it's one, big region

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 05 Jun 2018 21:39:51 No.35823887 Report

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>>35822026
Yeah, like owls are birds you fucking fuck. Next you'll tell me the moon isn't really clouds...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 00:57:30 No.35825713 Report

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Gold and Silver weren’t advertised the same way new gens are today. They were literally, at a point, Pokemon 2. The emphasis was still put on Kanto Pokémon because pokemania. Kids knew and loved them and the new Johto mons were supposed to be seen as rarer as another incentive of the “gotta catch em all” tag line they were fucking obsessed with. That why the distribution of wild Johto Pokémon was so fucked. Gamefreak expected everyone to catch their old bros again. That’s the same reason gym leaders all used Gen 1 mons. Gen 2 was meant to advertise Gen 1.

Ruby and Sapphire started a new age in the series since Pokemania died down and it acted as a soft reboot to the franchise. That’s why Gen 3 Pokémon are more prominent, there are only two new Pokémon related to old ones, and Misty left the anime. They were the “new adventure!!” Rather than just part 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 01:08:35 No.35825839 Report

Quoted By: >>35826010 >>35826333 >>35827535

>>35823245
Steelix does suit Jasmine. She used to be a Rock-type expert before the Steel-type was discovered. Her signature Pokemon was Onix. Onix evolves into Steelix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 01:22:47 No.35826010 Report

Quoted By: >>35827521

>>35825839
Doesn't suit as in its design and behavior kinda clashes with hers. I guess you xould say they balance each other out but it's still a little odd.

Same for Flannery.
Such an eccentric girl has a tortoise...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 01:25:18 No.35826037 Report

Quoted By:

>>35823883
>it's one, big region
Then why does it have two region names you fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 01:52:09 No.35826333 Report

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>>35825839
You mean to reply to me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:03:41 No.35827465 Report

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>>35821902
Pidgey is native of Johto too! Gym pokemon doesn't NEED to be of the gen is introduced.

this always happens, houndour is native of Kanto, but the fanbase and GF (when they start to forget their own canon) take it like a Johto mon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:11:06 No.35827506 Report

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>>35821949
Hoothoot and Pidgeotto would have been fine. His gym trainers can handle the Pidgey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:12:52 No.35827521 Report

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>>35826010
I always thought her awkwardness in battling and "skills inherited from my grandfather" meant that the Torkoal was literally her grandfathers.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:12:58 No.35827524 Report

Quoted By: >>35827571

>>35821902
Why didn't any of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:14:10 No.35827535 Report

Quoted By: >>35827549 >>35828208

>>35825839
They gave it to her because it was a Steel-type that was related to an old Pokémon. Its purpose was basically to express, "hey, this is how Steel is different from regular Rock!" That's also why Karen's lead is Umbreon and Valerie's ace is Sylveon, each contrasting with Normal because that's the most obviously similar type to them - it's to show what the new type has to offer that the next-closest existing type doesn't.
So she was definitely going to use either a Steelix or a Scizor, and Steelix won out because Steel is closer to Rock than to Flying and it was more necessary to juxtapose them when introducing Steel formally to players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:15:51 No.35827549 Report

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>>35827535
Oops, meant to respond to >>35823057. Your post was on the same side of the debate I am.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:18:46 No.35827571 Report

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>>35827524
In an ideal game:
Falkner - Hoothoot and Pidgeotto
Bugsy - Ledyba, Spinarak and Heracross
Whitney - Clefairy and Milktank
Morty - Ghastly, Haunter, Gengar, Misdrevous
Chuck - Hitmontop, Poliwrath
Jasmine - Magnemite, Skarmory, Steelix
Pryce - Sneasel, Dewgong, Piloswine
Claire - Dragonair, Dragonair, Gyarados, Kingdra

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:19:18 No.35827575 Report

Quoted By: >>35827619 >>35827644

>>35822912
I still can't get over the fact that Game Freak decided to give not one but TWO specialists of the type with only two lines (one of which had only a single Dragon stage) to begin with. And with Clair being the eighth Gym Leader and Lance the Champion, there's hardly even any space in between them...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:23:18 No.35827619 Report

Quoted By: >>35827640

>>35827575
The gym leaders got fucked over HARD by the fact that the type breakdown for Johto is so fucking messed up for the new pokemon.

>introduce 100 new pokemon
>literally TWO fighting types (that are in the same evolution line)
>literally ONE dragon
>literally ONE ghost
>ten billion Normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:25:59 No.35827640 Report

Quoted By: >>35827682 >>35827890

>>35827619
To be fair, this was still back when Dragon and Ghost were intended to be 'rarer' types. There's less excuse for not putting in more Fighting types, but I doubt Gamefreak back then would have introduced more than two of the other kinds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:26:22 No.35827644 Report

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>>35827575
Wallace and Juan are worse imo, because they're mostly filled out with shitmons (and Juan could easily have been an unrepresented type, like Grass) instead. Breloom, Roselia, Tropius and Ludicolo are all unused by specialists (until Wallace's champ battle), and the last spot could just be padded out with Vileplume or Bellossom.
Juan is the worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:30:04 No.35827682 Report

Quoted By: >>35827702

>>35827640
Introducing only one new Dragon-type to keep it "rare" is well and good until you have as many specialists meant to have entire TEAMS of the type as you have EXISTING LINES of the type. Why not just make the rare type underrepresented in the League as much as in the 'dex? But instead, it inexplicably gets twice as many reps as the rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:31:21 No.35827693 Report

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Does a ROM hack exist that fixes these issues? I love everything else about Johto but the Pokemon distribution and level curve are undeniably fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:32:13 No.35827702 Report

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>>35827682
Because they also intended it to be a final-boss type. It's something that's supposed to be hard for the player to get, have resistance to a lot of the most common things they might use (fire, water, grass), and have only a handful of weaknesses for the player to try and exploit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 04:53:35 No.35827890 Report

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>>35827640
Ghost also had a new evolution line in the beta, consisting a a voodoo doll and a banshee panda, one or both of which would likely have been on Morty's team had they made it to the final. Misdreavus should still have been there however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jun 2018 05:34:32 No.35828208 Report

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>>35827535
Since Valeries into fashion you'd be think she'd have Sylveon as and at least Aromatisse.

Sadly no pokemon Z to fix teams

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