>>36015461There's plenty of ways to kill goth, like this Lunana completly counters it, I'll just switch it in to goth and-oh...
That's the issue with instant trapping. Most things only needs 1 counter per team. Trapping, by preventing switches, requires each mon to counter it. Heatran and to an extent mega gengar give you a warning turn on which you can switch to a counter, goth doesn't.
This isn't to say the ban is good or bad, but "muh counters" fails as an argument against trapping as if the trapper is smart you don't get to counter it until it's done it's job.
