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>>36050345
I've been hearing this a lot, what was it like?

I know gen 1 was psychic types and tauros, gen 2 was snorlax and skarmbliss, gen 5 was weather wars, gen 6 was megas and bravest bird and gen 7 is tapus and landopex, but what were gens 3 and 4 like?

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 18:32:47 No.36050392 Report

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>>36050332
2Mag4Drag

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 18:40:27 No.36050437 Report

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>>36050380
While not everything was good most pokemon at least had some niche. last gen where gimmick mons could be balanced.
>Gen 1:Tauors and psychics
>Gen 2:Curselax
>Gen 3:subpunch
>Gen 4: nothing really
>Gen 5:weather
>Gen 6:speed
>Gen 7: lando,tapus,and some UBs

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 18:41:12 No.36050444 Report

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4 by a long shot, 3 was fun too
Weather and the genies ruined gen 5, gen 6 was a little better but z-moves stink

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 18:42:37 No.36050452 Report

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>>36050437
gen 4 was the song of steel and fire, the dance that scizor and heatran put on for us

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 18:43:16 No.36050463 Report

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>>36050345
fucking this. Idk why people think gen 5 had the best meta. Weather wars were cancer and not even remotely fun.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 19:07:48 No.36050597 Report

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>>36050463
I think it's because that's when most people who browse vp today first got into competitive pokemon

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 19:19:59 No.36050655 Report

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>>36050437
>Gen 4: nothing really
*Stealth rocks your path*

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 19:58:26 No.36050915 Report

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Not Gen V for sure. I am voting for IV and VI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 21:50:10 No.36051501 Report

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Weather wars WERE fun

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Anonymous Fri 06 Jul 2018 22:10:46 No.36051588 Report

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>>36051501
Objectively wrong. Weather wars bred the most stale and overdone team compositions. You either ran rain or you ran a counter to it. Every single weather team was the same, with room for one or two variety slots. Every rain team ran at least politoad, kingdra, and ferrothorn. Every weather gimmick got overdone and stale after the first month. Gen 4 still had people breaking meta up until the very end, and PBR gave gen 4 a boost in meta intetest. Gen 4 was the glory days, gen 5 was flooded with baby's first metagame newfags. Gen 5 was just: pick a weather and hope for the best that you didn't run into the countering weather team. Gen 5 teams didn't have nearly as much versatility as gen 4 teams had. You can't sanely deny that in any coherent way

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 07:22:41 No.36053828 Report

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From what I’ve heard, Generation 6 pre-Mega Fug.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 07:53:47 No.36053905 Report

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GSC followed by DPP and ADV

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:05:34 No.36053944 Report

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>>36050332
3, 5, 4

The golden era. You could argue 6th gen is pretty good right now so it fits there as well.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:08:03 No.36053950 Report

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>>36051588
Absolute brainlet post. /vp/ is so bad at competitive yet all act like they're Smogon Tour or VGC Worlds winners

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:08:57 No.36053952 Report

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>>36050437
>Gen 4: nothing really
Gen 4 was the Stealth Rock Generation.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:10:13 No.36053956 Report

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>>36053905
>implying GSC were battles took a week to finish was the best

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:12:21 No.36053962 Report

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unironically gen 1

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:13:18 No.36053968 Report

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>>36053950
Nothing in that post gave off the heir of superiority. You didn't have to be able to win a single match to know that everything I said was true.
Gen 5 meta was absolute garbage. Even gen 6 had a better metagame. Sorry yout first pokemon game was unova anon, I know you really like it, but you deserved much much better

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:14:04 No.36053974 Report

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>>36053956
Looks like someone never ran an Explosion Team

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:15:27 No.36053978 Report

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>>36053962
unironically commit sudoku

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:17:45 No.36053986 Report

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>>36050437
Only somewhat accurate. These are the defining Pokemon/mechanics for each gen.

>1
Tauros, Chansey, Exeggutor, Alakazam, Snorlax

>2
Snorlax, Snorlax, Snorlax, Zapdos and Raikou, considered a stally metagame

>3
Tyranitar, Gengar, Celebi, Suicune, Spikes, also a bit of trapping cancer

>4
Tyranitar, Heatran, Jirachi, Starmie, SR is pivotal

>5
Garchomp, Tyranitar, Latios, Keldeo, Jirachi, diverse and rather offensive metagame, teams archetypes are quite identifiable and rigid though

>6
Clefable, Landorus-T, Mega Metagross, was a shit meta originally but is considered very good now.

>7
Heatran, Landorus-T, 3 relevant Tapus, Magearna, Zygarde, basically a bunch of broken shit keeping each other in check, this tier is a lost cause in all honesty

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:21:14 No.36053994 Report

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>>36053986
>Garchomp missing from gen 4
>Ferrothorn missing from gen 5
>Smogonbirb missing from gen 6
What did he mean by this?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:23:18 No.36053997 Report

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>>36053968
>Gen 5 was just: pick a weather and hope for the best that you didn't run into the countering weather team
No. This isn't even close to the truth. This would imply that rain is unbeatable, which it is not. It also implies that weather is necessary, it is not. Weatherless is a viable and popular playstyle. Sure, you can counterstyle like picking Excadrill to combat sand, or the likes of Jellicent vs. Rain, but the weather dynamic is just an additional, separate, and in some cases less important twin of the sweeper, breaker, wall power struggle of later gens.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:27:05 No.36054006 Report

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>>36053994
>>Garchomp missing from gen 4
Naturally
>>Ferrothorn missing from gen 5
Good point, but there are so many important Pokemon in Gen 5 I couldn't fit them all. If someone argued Ferrothorn is top 5 I wouldn't agree but it's very understandable.
>>Smogonbirb missing from gen 6
It's not that relevant. XY it was but not in ORAS.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:34:21 No.36054022 Report

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>>36053997
>Weather is just an additional, separate, less important twin of the sweeper, breaker, wall power struggle of later gens
Yeah but it wasn't though. When BW first came out you either ran sun or rain teams, almost every team was identical. As the meta progressed we saw viability come from other weathers, but my issue is that, every team played upon the same gimmick, and weatherless was only good if you had counters to the specific weather you were up against. Not being able to set up weather and have multiple mons to benefit from it was a fucking huge hindrance.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:41:37 No.36054042 Report

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>>36053997
>Weatherless is a viable and popular playstyle.

That would always put you at a disadvantage if you didn't run a counter to whichever weather was popular at the time. Otherwise you'd only be hurting your own chances most of the time.

Gen 5 meta was so stale that not playing against a weather team would be surprising. It's not for nothing that weather abilities got nerfed to 5 turns in later gens

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 08:47:38 No.36054059 Report

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>>36053956
Longer matches aren't a bad thing when it's not stall vs stall.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 09:02:30 No.36054094 Report

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>>36050380
Garchomp ban happened shortly before Plat came out in Japan, which was when the fun things started to happen
>Scizor got Bullet Punch and Superpower which shot him all the way up to #1 usage
>while SD Scizor was the set that dominated early on, the "discovery" of the Choice Band made everyone realise just how good U-turn really is (it was pretty much never used in early DP meta). The newfound usefulness of U-turn helped Pokemon like Flygon eventually raise to OU as well.
>Platinum also added the Rotom forms, which were all Ghost/Electric back then and helped combat the Scizor spam, Rotom-Heat was the most popular thanks to Overheat
>Heatran, while OU since day 1, really appreciated the departure of Garchomp and the raise of Scizor, which helped him become the most dominant Pokemon of the meta
>the Hypnosis nerf made people become a bit more creative with their offensive leads, which lead to the discovery of suicide leads. Aerodactyl pioneered the whole concept, but Azelf became the most popular pick eventually thanks to Explosion. Machamp and Metagross started being used as counter leads to those two.
>speaking of the suicide leads, entry hazards were extremely oppressive in gen 4 with the only method of removal being Rapid Spin, which had (and still has) a very limited distributions. The most popular spinners were Starmie and Forrettess, but many players didn't bother with hazard removal at all, instead opting to build their teams to be as "hazard resistant" as possible.
>HGSS release didn't change that much, the most notable addition was probably Extremespeed Dragonite which helped him distinguish itself from Salamence
>speaking of which, the only other Pokemon that wasn't a former Uber and ended up being banned was Salamence, but the ban happened like 3 months before BW came out so no one really cared at that point
t. played gen 4 competitively in 2008-2010

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 09:05:00 No.36054101 Report

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>>36054094
Those were the good times.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 09:06:01 No.36054103 Report

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>>36054094
Based knowledgeposter

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 09:21:14 No.36054127 Report

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>>36054094
the memories

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Anonymous Sat 07 Jul 2018 10:00:45 No.36054216 Report

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>>36054094
The best part of all is that even other mons from lower tiers had niches in their own. Today everything is OP as fuck, which just increases the difference between mons used in all tiers. That time you could see many lower tier mons in teams out of the 1000-1200 merge. For God's sake UU today has 4/5 of the OU meta from less than 2 gens ago. What the fuck you are doing GF. You can make good Pokémon without overpowering it.

It's pretty sad actually. Gen 7 mons (taking the "semi legendaries" and the legendaries themselves) everything tended to shot, which is crazy, because on early gens they would have a chance of not being totally shit from the start.

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