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The only Pokemon I can actually think of where the 10 point stat buff came in handy was Raichu. >100 base speed
>buffed to 110 base speed
>in the gen where Zard Y, Mega Garde, & Mega Kang all have 100 base speed
>doesn't have to worry about speed ties
thank fucking god. Raichu is my favorite and I will never not be thankful for the buff they gave him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 15:15:51 No.36111333 Report

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>>36111318
Ariados

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 15:54:34 No.36111518 Report

Quoted By: >>36112282

>>36110060
Most of them got a boost to Def or Sp. Def, a few of them got boosts to their relevant attacking stat like Scolipede. A Def/Sp. Def boost is better than nothing.

It's weird that they buffed the Nido's and Azumarill worse attacking stats instead of just leaving them alone completely

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 15:59:51 No.36111535 Report

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>>36110060
Hey hey hey, some Pokemon got 30 points.
THIRTY!

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:06:19 No.36111570 Report

Quoted By: >>36111603 >>36113565 >>36118324 >>36118526

>>36111535
>tfw you realize Game Freak has the power to turn any shitmon into a top-tier threat
>tfw most mons will only get small, useless upgrades

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:12:44 No.36111603 Report

Quoted By: >>36111643

>>36111570
To be fair, Volbeat and Illumise were also given Prankster. So they at the very least have a niche now, but they're still bad more or less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:21:02 No.36111643 Report

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>>36111603
just because they're bad doesn't mean that they can't be good

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:22:45 No.36111652 Report

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>>36111535
>tfw your bro got FOURTY points

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:25:06 No.36111661 Report

Quoted By: >>36112507

>>36111643
I could definitely be wrong, I haven't been looking into them much surface level.
But I see that Volbeat maybe could work as a Baton Passer seeing it has Tail Glow and Substitute.
The Def and Sp.Def buffs could even help them survive some nasty hits there was no chance for before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:32:47 No.36111694 Report

Quoted By: >>36111835 >>36112466 >>36112632

Shedinja gets a 40+ BST boost
but it only goes to def and spd

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:52:29 No.36111795 Report

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>>36111652
who was it

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:56:51 No.36111824 Report

Quoted By: >>36112142 >>36117247 >>36118336

>tfw Game Freak buffs your Unova bro which everyone either hates or forgets about
And it was enough to jump up to NU. Plus it's now 1 of the highest BST single-stage, no-form, regular Pokemon (behind Lapras and Dhelmise, I think).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 16:59:19 No.36111835 Report

Quoted By: >>36117157

>>36111694
Shedinja should at least have the same BST as Ninjask.

>236 BST on a fully evolved mon
Wtf gamefreak

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:18:00 No.36111987 Report

Quoted By: >>36118962

>>36111652
>tfw your bro got 30 points and it's still irredeemably shit

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:22:27 No.36112017 Report

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>>36110060
let's not forget toxic thread haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:22:47 No.36112022 Report

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>>36111795
I think the only one who got a +40 buff is Masquerain.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:42:52 No.36112142 Report

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>>36111824
Based angry rapid spinning snowflake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:47:06 No.36112164 Report

Quoted By: >>36112221 >>36112546

>>36111326
-Dodrio also got a +10 Speed buff
-Clefable, Stoutland, Scolipede, Dugtrio, Crustle, Pelipper, and Arbok(yes it's bad but is one of the best users of Coil) enjoy the extra damage
-Gigalith enjoys the 10+ buff in Special Defense now that it got Sand Stream
-Vileplume hits harder than Venusaur(while not significant, better then being outclassed in almost every way statwise)

You are right that Raichu's slight buff was the biggest impact in to a mon's viability tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:53:45 No.36112200 Report

Quoted By: >>36112232 >>36112632 >>36113560

What was the worst offender?
>Nidoking's +10 Attack
>Electrode's +10 Speed
>fucking Woobat's +10 HP despite not even being available in Gen 7

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:57:25 No.36112221 Report

Quoted By: >>36112384 >>36112394

>>36112164
Dodrio also got SD and HJK
Scolipede got buffed to 100 attack
Vileplume is still shit because if you want a Grass/Poison mon and aren't using Venusaur (who is still a better sweeper because of Chlorophyll Sun sets and higher Phys. Atk) then you should be using Roserade, who can also set spikes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 17:59:39 No.36112232 Report

Quoted By: >>36112262

>>36112200
While Azumarill is a great mon, that Special Attack buff was completely wasted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:05:51 No.36112262 Report

Quoted By: >>36112364

>>36112232
Some people use Sap Sipper trapper sets with Whirlpool & Perish Song

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:09:48 No.36112282 Report

Quoted By: >>36112292

>>36111518
Its not really weird for Nidoqueenand Nidoking considering most of their good koves are special attacks and they’re often used as special attackers despite having higher attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:11:28 No.36112292 Report

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>>36112282
>It's not weird that they buffed their physical attack even though i acknowledge that all of their moves are special

?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:21:52 No.36112364 Report

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>>36112262
With 60 SpAtk:
>0 SpA Azumarill Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 276-328 (106.1 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

With 50 SpAtk:
>0 SpA Azumarill Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 240-284 (92.3 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

I guess it was a necessary buff....kinda.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:25:26 No.36112384 Report

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>>36112221
Dodrio just has jump kick now, not High Jump Kick.
Of course, Jump Kick was also buffed to 100bp sometime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:26:59 No.36112394 Report

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>>36112221
Roserade and Vileplume have completely different roles. Vileplume is defensive, Roserade is offensive with utility moves.

Amoongus is better than Roserade, anyhow. If you want to argue who is the best grass/poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:37:50 No.36112466 Report

Quoted By: >>36112487

>>36111694
If Baton Pass wasn't banned, it would still be useful since Subs use the setter's HP.
So if Blissey has Baton Pass, Shedinja would have 1/4th of Blissey's HP and then set up.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:41:15 No.36112487 Report

Quoted By: >>36112504

>>36112466
>giving a shit what smogon thinks

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:44:30 No.36112504 Report

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>>36112487
This. They make good analytics that I certainly consider when playing competitively, but I will never let those autists dictate how I play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:45:37 No.36112507 Report

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>>36111661
I don't actually know why myself so don't ask, but look at #57

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:47:32 No.36112518 Report

Quoted By: >>36112558 >>36113535 >>36113943

>Beautifly got +10 SpA in gen6
>Dustox got nothing
>Ariados got +10 SpD in gen7
>Ledian got nothing

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:51:46 No.36112546 Report

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>>36112164
krookodile also doesn't mind the +10 def it got. meshes nicely with intimidate sets, making it just that bit bulkier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 18:53:51 No.36112558 Report

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>>36112518
>tfw Ledian is so strong it doesn't need a stat buff

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 19:06:29 No.36112632 Report

Quoted By: >>36113533 >>36120563

>>36111694
What's the point when it only has 1 HP?

>>36112200
Woobat's HP. You're not going to use Woobat. At least the other 2 have uses.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 19:11:37 No.36112679 Report

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>Gen 6
>Alakazam gets an extra 10 points in Sp.Def so MegaZam only gets 90 points to work with instead of 100 for Megas
>Gen 7
>Mega Zam gets an extra 10 points in Sp.Def

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:20:30 No.36113502 Report

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I wasn't expecting my thread to still be up when I woke up

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:22:41 No.36113522 Report

Quoted By: >>36113776

lets take away 20 points of electrodes speed and give it 100 base special attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:23:43 No.36113533 Report

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>>36112632
>What's the point when it only has 1 HP?
wooooooosh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:24:05 No.36113535 Report

Quoted By: >>36113597 >>36113766

>>36112518
>Ledian, Remoraid, and Octillery are all references to Gamefreak's previous games before Pokemon
>They are maximum shitmons and will never, ever get buffed
>Pikachu, despite being the goddamn mascot, is still worthless in battle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:27:28 No.36113560 Report

Quoted By: >>36113683

>>36112200
Electrode's 10 speed is actually relevant, it allows him to outspeed a couple of extra pokemon and tie with a good number of others

should have been 15 points though keeping the old order of Deoxys-S, Ninjask, Electrode intact

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:27:49 No.36113565 Report

Quoted By: >>36113607 >>36113736

>>36111570
Pelipper has the greatest Zero-to-Hero story in all of Pokemon. Winning the lottery like a madbird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:30:43 No.36113597 Report

Quoted By: >>36113781

>>36113535
>Pikachu, despite being the goddamn mascot, is still worthless in battle
they tried, they really did, but there's not much more they can or really should do
with light ball it has a respectable offensive power and 90 speed is top tier among first stage 'mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:31:45 No.36113607 Report

Quoted By: >>36113689

>>36113565
what about Wobbuffet going for literally useless in gen 2 to straight ubers in gen 3?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:36:46 No.36113659 Report

Quoted By: >>36113682

Where were you when they gave Farfetch'd First Impression AND +25 to Atk?
It's still PU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:40:11 No.36113682 Report

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>>36113659
The HP, defense, and Speed are still too low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:40:19 No.36113683 Report

Quoted By: >>36114003

>>36113560
yeah but my point is that while speed is electrodes gimmick, it would still be pretty damn fast (same as mewtwo) and 100 base would allow it to hit a whole lot harder (same as starmie), maybe making ru. faster but without as much coverage, maybe give it accsess to boomburst and move coverage, and we could possibly have an ou electrode

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:41:08 No.36113689 Report

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>>36113607
Wobbuffet has a great story too, but it did also go back to being a Zero due to all the rules in Smogon singles, and it being major set up bait in doubles.
Pelipper was basically shit for a decade, and then it got Drizzle, and almost everything possible to abuse it to its near limits. If anyone told be back in 2015 and early-mid 2016 that Pelipper would be OU in Gen 7, I'd laugh in their face and tell them that would have been downright impossible without a complete stat overhaul. It's hard to say when Pelipper will go back to being a Zero, but it won't be for quite a long time as there are many Pokemon in OU that love rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:48:03 No.36113736 Report

Quoted By: >>36113933 >>36116502 >>36116598

>>36113565
There were plenty of mons with the same story
>ninetales in gen 5
>politoed in gen 5
>altaria in gen 6
>chadwick boseman in phase 3
>clefable in gen 6
>scizor in gen 4
>serperior in gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:50:50 No.36113766 Report

Quoted By: >>36113885

>>36113535
>>Ledian, Remoraid, and Octillery are all references to Gamefreak's previous games before Pokemon
huh? Isn't ledian a kamen rider reference?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:52:16 No.36113776 Report

Quoted By: >>36113963

>>36113522
>wanting electrode to get outsped by scarfers
Just give it the extra 20 points. Electrode only has a paltry 490 bst

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:53:01 No.36113781 Report

Quoted By: >>36116911

>>36113597
They could retcon Pikachu's Light Ball into a mega stone while still doubling its offenses make it so that the mega gives a small boost to its attacking, defensive stats, and a major boost into its speed, like (140+ speed) Maybe it could look something like
>HP: 35
Attack: 65
Defense: 50
Sp. Atk: 70
Sp. Def: 50
Speed: 150
Not like Game Freak gives a fuck about Raichu anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 21:59:20 No.36113831 Report

Quoted By: >>36114533

>fully evolved pokemon with less than 440 bst
I can't use early route pokemon.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:05:55 No.36113885 Report

Quoted By: >>36114180

>>36113766
Ledian is a Pulseman reference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:11:16 No.36113933 Report

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>>36113736
Clefable before it's Fairy typing was nowhere near the unviablity Pelipper was before they became OU. Clefable was always a Pokemon that needed just that extra push to become a staple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:12:06 No.36113943 Report

Quoted By: >>36114296

>>36112518
Ledian got a big role in a movie.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:13:49 No.36113963 Report

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>>36113776
or just take some points out of it's defenses
60/70/80 isn't going to stop anything notable anyways
going from 80 to say 110 sp-atk however would do it a lot of good even with it's shit for movepool

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:18:30 No.36114003 Report

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>>36113683
what about an ability that lets it's normal moves run of it's speed stat?
it kind of has pathetic explosions for it's bomb ball status, however with an ability like that blowing up with an effective 150 base attack would leave a mark worthy of it's nickname

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:42:20 No.36114180 Report

Quoted By: >>36116908

>>36113885
you're thinking of rotom

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 22:57:45 No.36114296 Report

Quoted By: >>36115248

>>36113943
What movie was that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 23:28:30 No.36114533 Report

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>>36113831
pussy
just use what you like

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Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 23:37:34 No.36114630 Report

Quoted By: >>36114687 >>36115386

>buff an already blatantly overpowered Pokemon's Attack by 20 points
fucking brilliant, bravo Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Jul 2018 23:44:38 No.36114687 Report

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>>36114630
needed that buff for ingame

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 01:01:51 No.36115248 Report

Quoted By: >>36115310

>>36114296
The Time-Gate Traveler!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 01:13:18 No.36115310 Report

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>>36115248
Oh, I thought you meant an actual real-life movie, not one of the Pokestar ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 01:26:13 No.36115386 Report

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>>36114630
80 attack was fucking pathetic my guy
Also japs don't care about how OP something is in Smogon's meme fangame, only doubles balance matters to them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 04:27:55 No.36116489 Report

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why are gf such pussies, give this shitty mon like 110 base attack, something substantial that it can work with, it's not going to break the fucking game, it's a fucking ariados for fuck's sake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 04:30:20 No.36116502 Report

Quoted By: >>36116581

>>36113736
scizor was never a shit 0 mon though, it did get pretty much win the lottery though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 04:44:12 No.36116581 Report

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>>36116502
Yes it was
the only thing you could do with it in Gen 3 was Baton Pass Swords Dance. Its only attacking moves were Steel Wing, Brick Break, and Silver Wind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 04:46:59 No.36116598 Report

Quoted By: >>36116698 >>36116747 >>36116939

>>36113736
Nothing beats the slow build up of Azumarill

>complete shitmon in gen 2
>gets Huge Power in gen 3
>access to physical water and aqua jet in gen 4
>fairy subtype in gen 6

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 05:09:56 No.36116698 Report

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>>36116598
Physical/Special split was the best thing to happen to that bunny

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 05:21:12 No.36116747 Report

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>>36116598
sableye maybe
>prankster
>then bulky mega
>magic bounce
it reached ubers, for like 2 seconds but still

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 06:00:07 No.36116908 Report

Quoted By:

>>36114180
Rotom is one of many references. Volt tackle and Ledian are also references

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 06:01:19 No.36116911 Report

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>>36113781
It got a pretty good Alolan form so i wouldn't say they don't care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 06:06:49 No.36116939 Report

Quoted By: >>36117173

>>36116598
>Nothing beats the slow build up of Azumarill
breloom

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 07:11:52 No.36117157 Report

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>>36111835
To be fair, 3 of its stats literally don't matter at all thanks to its gimmick, and one of the only 3 stats that could matter is at a respectable 90.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 07:15:48 No.36117173 Report

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>>36116939
Breloom was always good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 07:41:18 No.36117247 Report

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>>36111824
>this think got a stat buff but jynx didnt
fuck black people

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 14:11:02 No.36118324 Report

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>>36111570
>tfw GF has to keep pumping every mons BST in order to keep up with the powercreep

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 14:12:56 No.36118336 Report

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>>36111824
it was enough to make it jump to the NEVER USED tier? woah...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 14:50:49 No.36118526 Report

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>>36111570
Not every pokémon should be viable, that goes against world building and the fact that, like it or not, people actually like broken metas. Shit characters make powerful ones look even more powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 15:41:23 No.36118864 Report

Quoted By: >>36119339

>>36112022
I fucking love Masquerain. The buff made me so happy. Now if only Eelektross could get a speed buff. That’s the dream

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 15:59:42 No.36118962 Report

Quoted By:

>>36111987
Is it Corsola?

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 16:25:01 No.36119128 Report

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>>36111326
Dugtrio's boost is what made it so powerful this gen

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Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 16:55:23 No.36119339 Report

Quoted By: >>36119686

>>36118864
I think it needs only +15 Speed to outrun Celesteelia(most run -Speed natures, so you'll still be able to outspeed when running a Quiet/Brave nature), Clefable, and non-mega Tyranitar.

My main issue with it however is Wild Charge being a really shitty STAB. Which is a problem that plagues most physical Electric types. Eelektross has it worse though for being the slowest user of this move(at least A-Golem was blessed with an Electric Pixilate equivalent)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 17:54:33 No.36119686 Report

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>>36119339
eel would still have average bulk and not very impressive attacking power. compare it to luxray or electivire, they have better speed, they have good attacking stats, but they are still shit. giving eel a bit more speed isn't the answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Jul 2018 20:10:26 No.36120563 Report

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>>36112632
Are you clinically retarded?

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