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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 01:59:59 No.36135645 View View Reply Original Report

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How can we make Tauros great again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:00:44 No.36135651 Report

Quoted By: >>36135668

>>36135645
Make it into delicious burger patties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:01:17 No.36135655 Report

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Plus 10 attack and speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:01:52 No.36135659 Report

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>>36135645
Give it a speed boost through a mega or something, make hyper beam not recharge on knockout, and give decent defensive options to last long enough to stand against steel types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:02:51 No.36135668 Report

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>>36135651
Literally fpbp.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:03:15 No.36135673 Report

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>>36135645
Give it an afro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:03:32 No.36135674 Report

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>>36135645
ground type sheer force coverage and +30 spa

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:03:35 No.36135675 Report

Quoted By: >>36137378

Give him a move where he suckles Miltamk and adds her stats to his

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:04:35 No.36135680 Report

Quoted By: >>36135707

>>36135673
Both annoyed and glad this isn't an evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:09:05 No.36135707 Report

Quoted By: >>36135723

>>36135680
Why would a bullington evolve into a buffaluffalo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:10:16 No.36135714 Report

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1. Replace Anger Point with Reckless
2. Give High Horsepower a 20% chance to drop defense and give it to Tauros
3. Give it Spark.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:10:52 No.36135720 Report

Quoted By: >>36135739 >>36137308

>>36135659
>we will never be able to use the real Hyper Beam on based bull ever again because shitty physical special split
why is Giga Impact so shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:11:07 No.36135723 Report

Quoted By: >>36135728

>>36135707
>Why would X evolve into Y?
Why are people here so damn stupid? We have so many damn pokemon changing "real world" species after evolution, why is this any different?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:11:55 No.36135728 Report

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>>36135723
ok but y tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:12:55 No.36135739 Report

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>>36135720
Who the fuck is actually opposed to the phys spec split? One of the best decisions in the series

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:13:17 No.36135742 Report

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>>36135645
Make crits tied to speed again

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 02:13:40 No.36135743 Report

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>>36135739
it's not one of the worst ones but it definitely wasn't one of the best ones

i'm sorry you're too autistic to handle a fire punch not being physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 04:58:08 No.36136825 Report

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>>36135645
Mega Tauros
Normal/Ground

HP 75
Atk 100 --> 150
Def 95 --> 105
Sp. Atk 40
Sp. Def 70 --> 80
Speed 110 --> 140

Ability: Sheer Force

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:01:53 No.36136849 Report

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Miltank breeding grounds.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:03:11 No.36136858 Report

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Sotto (sotto) toketeyuku you ni
Motto (motto) aishiaietara
Nani wo (nani wo) tsutaerareteno
ai wo meguri awase

dareka yurushite
kiranata sugataga
boku de arukoto wo
ara atowoshite
kureru yubiga furueteiru

It’ s truely our fire, together
dakishimetai yo
kizutsu kezu ni
mamori tai yo
anata dake wa
It’ struely our time, forever
aragaitsuzukeru
wakiagaru sora ni
anata boku wa
deep red down

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:03:38 No.36136861 Report

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>>36135645
Give it a shared baby mon with Miltank so it can get some goddamn eggmoves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:04:15 No.36136863 Report

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>>36136825
>trying to steal Darmanitan's spotlight
No. Your shitmon will always be shit, not even genwunners like it, so no mega ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:30:13 No.36137029 Report

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>>36135645
It just needs a stat buff, like most old Pokemon do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:39:58 No.36137069 Report

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>>36136863
It was literally the first king in competitive history (barring later banned choices like Mew and Mewtwo) but yeah, sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:42:10 No.36137079 Report

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>>36135728
because a fish can evolve into an octopus

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:42:17 No.36137082 Report

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>>36136858
Nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:45:33 No.36137100 Report

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>>36135743
Get with the times grandpa or go back to gen 3

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 05:58:51 No.36137162 Report

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>>36135743
>that fucking boomer who prefers special punches
Why do you hate physical attackers having moves?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:04:00 No.36137189 Report

Quoted By: >>36137195 >>36137196 >>36137207 >>36137244

>>36135739
>>36135743
>>36137100
>>36137162
This is why /vp/ is such a shit board.

The physical/special split was good overall, but it's not wrong to point out that is screwed over some 'Mons irreparably.

But no, just reduce it to a shit-flinging match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:04:22 No.36137191 Report

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>>36135645
Tauros was great in Gen I because everything kind of just lined up in its favor. Speed was arguably the most important stat in the game, Normal was bar none the best physical attacking type in the game, and Tauros had the tools to abuse both (all while having enough special to hit physical walls as well, assuming it didn't just EQ past them.)
Making Tauros great would require making Normal busted again, and that'd require an absurdly strong move and steel not existing.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:04:49 No.36137195 Report

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>>36137189
Sotto (sotto) toketeyuku you ni
Motto (motto) aishiaietara
Nani wo (nani wo) tsutaerareteno
ai wo tsumugenai meguri awase

dareka yurushite
kiranata sugataga
boku de arukoto wo
ara atowoshite
kureru yubiga furueteiru

It's truly our time, together
dakishimetai yo
kizutsu kezuni mamoritai yo
anata take wo

It's truly our time, forever
aragai tsuzukeru
wakienuru fushono ni
anata boku wa deep red down

Yatto mitsuketa ibasho to yoberu hito
kotoku saemo toketeki yette yukun da
anata da yuru shite shitta sekai
horamata iteniga nukumori mi kawa ateku

nani mo nozonanai ima no bokuga
bokude arutame ni aa noi chidomo
tashi ka ne atte itsukoshi ni ake
kitto dream you true

kanamari abu yubi wo hoto ite
mezameru tanoshii yo fuchouto dake
hisorete mo sukoshi anata wo kono mune ni

It's truly our time, together
dakishimeta nanda
maiyoi saemo kiesa te yuku
anata take ga

boku ni hikaru wo no
tadai te kurecha
kasa ne au yorokobi
aa mich yuku
deep red down

Sotto futari toketeyuku you ni

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:05:02 No.36137196 Report

Quoted By: >>36137231

>>36137189
List 10 actual examples

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:05:58 No.36137203 Report

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>>36136825
>sheer force wity no LO
No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:07:16 No.36137207 Report

Quoted By: >>36137244

>>36137162
>>36137189
it basically screwed over about as many pokemon as it helped

>>36137100
gen 3 was actually part of the problem. EVs replacing Stat Exp basically made you needlessly worse for even considering running both physical and special moves, and actively drove the game towards physical special split being a necessity

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:13:24 No.36137231 Report

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>>36137196
Here, this a good and short read that can explain it rather than just posting examples. https://www.smogon.com/articles/physical-special-split

Didn't think it was controversial to say that the physical/special split wasn't beneficial across the board, but evidently it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:16:06 No.36137244 Report

Quoted By: >>36137254

>>36137189
Sure, but it also fixed several mons that were fucked by the arbitrary categorizations in the first place (see: Sneasel). Yes, it did hurt a few Pokemon, but the overall increase in move diversity that it granted most Pokemon makes up for that.

>>36137207
>gen 3 was actually part of the problem
Absolutely. RIP Mixed attackers as a common thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:17:21 No.36137254 Report

Quoted By: >>36137308 >>36137313

>>36137244
Agreed. All I'm saying is that Anon is right that SOME were hurt, it could be a discussion, but, as usual on /vp/ it's just dumb "muh genwunner" shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:26:23 No.36137308 Report

Quoted By: >>36137321

>>36137254
Right, though to be fair >>36135720 and >>36135743 feel very shitposty in how they present the argument. It makes sense than anons would take offense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:26:46 No.36137311 Report

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>>36135645
Give it 80 spa

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:26:54 No.36137313 Report

Quoted By: >>36137373

>>36137254
original poster who made people upset by saying giga impact is lame here

i find that people have a really hard time viewing the idea through the lens of the games at the time without overthinking how it would affect a series of games that were designed around the split happening and continued to march forward and evolve that way.

one other thing that feels like it's frequently not talked about is the kinda deliberate relationship between early pokemons' typing and their stats, particularly defensively, and how that reflects on what types they would be susceptible to.

in short, hyper beam should be physical because it's fucking cool, leaf blade should be special because how are you gonna rob a pokemon of its signature move just to try and be literal, and 80% of poison moves shouldn't have been made special moves just because "slime is special lol (sludge bomb), except when i say it's not (gunk shot)."

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:28:31 No.36137321 Report

Quoted By: >>36137333

>>36137308
dude what about those posts was shitposty

giga impact just being "hits u kinda hard (but noticeably not even harder than some other non-'ultimate' attacks)" is undeniably lame when compared to a fuckin laser

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:31:14 No.36137333 Report

Quoted By: >>36137341 >>36137357

>>36137321
>dude what about those posts was shitposty
>i'm sorry you're too autistic to handle a fire punch not being physical

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:32:46 No.36137341 Report

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>>36137333
Eh, I gotta agree with him there, that's just standard for the site.

Autism shouldn't even cause people to blink at this point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:34:44 No.36137357 Report

Quoted By: >>36137387

>>36137333
why is fire punch physical? is the damage coming from the fire or the fist? shouldn't it do mixed damage, then? why isn't a punch that explodes special, too? why is explosion physical?

why is rock throw physical but ancientpower, which throws rocks (that are glowing) special? why is sludge bomb special but gunk shot is physical? they both involve attacking the opponent with sludge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:36:33 No.36137373 Report

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>>36137313
>one other thing that feels like it's frequently not talked about is the kinda deliberate relationship between early Pokemon's typing and their stats
You're implying that GF didn't arbitrarily assign stats based primarily on how the Pokemon looks. For every Skarmory or Blissey, who's typing was perfect for its defensive role, there was a Mantine who couldn't fulfill its stat role thanks to its awful typing though not even the physical/special split could save Mantine.
Now, Gamefreak did eventually start to kind of become conscientious of typing and stats in Gen III (see: Sceptile), but by then it was obviously too late to fix the mistakes they made in Gen I and II.

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>>36135675

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:40:36 No.36137387 Report

Quoted By: >>36137402

>>36137357
>is the damage coming from the fire or the fist?
The fact that it's called a punch implies its the fist.
>why is rock throw physical but ancientpower, which throws rocks (that are glowing) special?
Ancient Power seems to be some sort of magical bullshit, so whatever.
>why is sludge bomb special but gunk shot is physical?
Sludge Bomb is purely sludge while Gunk Shot contains physical trash that makes up its bulk. It's kind of arbitrary, but it makes as much sense as Surf being special so I don't see a major issue with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:44:20 No.36137402 Report

Quoted By: >>36137411

>>36137387
if it's coming from the fist, shouldn't it be normal or fighting damage? the fire is clearly decorative, or certainly wouldn't dominate the amount of damage it deals. if the fire is enough of the damage to make it a fire-type move, it should be special.

all i'm getting at is that overthinking things only leads to contradictions. p/s split wasn't the end of the world but it was hardly a necessary change. whether or not it actually added depth to the game is extremely debatable, unless you think always having matching stabs in the damage category of your choice on basically every pokemon is like, deep or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:46:57 No.36137411 Report

Quoted By: >>36137419 >>36137498

>>36137402
It's a fire type move because it's a hot fist you autist, and the p/s split, as mentioned before, allowed GF to diversify Pokemon movesets. Apologies that your magical mouth laser is no longer powered by muscles.
>unless you think always having matching stabs in the damage category of your choice on basically every pokemon is like, deep or something.
Gen III's meta is overrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 06:49:02 No.36137419 Report

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>>36137411
why is frenzy plant special

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 07:14:45 No.36137493 Report

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>>36137100
It was handled not that ideally mainly because past gen 4 they failed to develop more personality to each typing offensively and defensively. Gen 3 and older typing had identities for offense and defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 07:16:16 No.36137498 Report

Quoted By: >>36137525 >>36137700

>>36137411
>allowed GF to diversify Pokemon movesets.

Really? Many many many pokemon have completely ass move sets or shit like Electric physical mons/moves being a total joke for example

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 07:25:25 No.36137525 Report

Quoted By: >>36137531

>>36137498
Pokemon types spot gen 3 still have "identities" more or less.
Dark is basically a physical typing because the has way less special offensive moves then physical. Electric is even worse with the reverse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 07:28:22 No.36137531 Report

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>>36137525
Infact the number of typings where both ends of the offensive spectrum are well represented is small.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 08:13:04 No.36137700 Report

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>>36137498
>or shit like Electric physical mons/moves being a total joke for example
Still better off than they'd be pre-split.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 08:19:09 No.36137720 Report

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>>36136863
Darmanitan is terrible even in UU. Its spotlight is long gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 12:42:44 No.36138729 Report

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>>36135645
Give is Superpower + Swords Dance.

That's it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 19 Jul 2018 13:34:55 No.36138893 Report

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>>36135673
The better bovine

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