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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:11:53 No.36149024 View View Reply Original Report

I guess I become genwunner...
I'm playing more heart gold or crystal clear/other based on gen 2 than newer generations, it's all because there's no retarded hand holding, no boring 'plot', no forced battle with legendary, no forced bad team, no forced interactions [beside hg]

it's just an open world where you have rival, were you go on the adventure and battle trainers to be strong enough for E4

this is peak of this series, and this is the most fun formula! and now I honestly realized why people dropped it...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:15:44 No.36149060 Report

Quoted By: >>36149076

>>36149024
gen 3 was also good, rse had story but it wasn't event remotely close to being as intrusive as gen 5 onward.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:17:53 No.36149076 Report

Quoted By: >>36149087 >>36149125 >>36149289

>>36149060
eh, no, this is the problem, that gen 3 started shitting towards your freedom, in gen 1-2 you had to deal with the TR and it was annoying mess, but not as annoying as team magma/aqua 'plot' and later with TG and N and co.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:19:52 No.36149087 Report

Quoted By: >>36149109

>>36149076
I'm in my early 30...and I play video games but with pokemon, plot doesn't work at all, pseudo legendaries shoved upon our throats are piece of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:22:50 No.36149109 Report

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>>36149087
also I think graphic choice for gen 3 killed this series for older fans aka genwunners, same for gen 4 but it has comfier graphic IMO...

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:25:27 No.36149125 Report

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>>36149076
I won't deny it started the trend, but I think it was a very very VERY infantile version of it. I have to disagree with you. The magma/aqua hideouts are no different than the rocket hideouts, radio tower, silph co. Etc. You might think the magma/aqua hideouts are longer but they are actually not if you know where you are going. They just have a lot of dead ends

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 00:53:28 No.36149289 Report

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Deciding the series became something you no longer enjoyed on experience rather than principle is what separates Genwunners from whatever you call everyone else, isn't it?

I burnt out (gracefully) in Gen 4 thinking the series had little left to work for bar infinite TMs and easier EV management, breaking my DS and the kerfuffle about Black/White's implementing story certainly not helping. Lucked my way into a 3DS and grabbed OR suspecting it would be the last gasp of Pokemon as I knew it, and that is looking more and more to be the case. But even in the best case linear addition had just made Pokemon unattractively bloated at this point.

>>36149076

Weren't Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh the only games that let you (meaningfully) sequence break Gym Leaders? Sinnoh was the last gasp in that regard by Game Freak's own admission and playing Pearl again I can see why- even if I myself think misdirection and extra navigation is great if you have a team that can organically spread out the HMs.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 01:12:30 No.36149440 Report

Quoted By: >>36149956

So, I was a Pokémon Red master back in the day, finished the Gold story and got up to the Elite Four in Sapphire before dropping the game. I dug out my old Sapphire cart a few days ago and I'm working on finishing it off for good now. I was considering picking up one of the newer games, probably on emulator, so I'm interested in exactly what you guys consider is wrong with them.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 02:38:49 No.36149956 Report

Quoted By: >>36149999

>>36149440

ORAS expat above you bumping the thread and talking out his butt so other can elaborate.

So the issues here are that starting with Black and White, the series started becoming even more linear, even easier, and packed with dialogue such that it kills the pacing, and that these things got progressively worse in the 3DS games. Even the Sun/Moon demo has you spend far more time talking or talking about playing than actually playing! The games seemed to be focusing more on the story presentation and multiplayer with less thought into what happens between the two.

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, HeartGold/SoulSilver, and Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, by contrast, don't have those problems; they don't have oppressive amounts of dialog, they all have secret dungeons to find and off roads to explore, and the former two are easy as Pokemon games usually are.

ORAS falters for being piss easy because Game Freak didn't balance the pre-E4 bosses for 3 generations of power creep, and just being pretty good when it could have been spectacular. Its R/S with a decade of quality of life improvements and a LOAD of nice little touches, online secret base sharing is a dream come true, but lacking a new tournament mode and Gym Leader rematches Emerald has it beat for long-form content. I liked them a good deal but I just love the Hoenn games so there you go.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 02:46:19 No.36149999 Report

Quoted By: >>36150115

>>36149956
I guess I'll stop after I'm done with Sapphire then. I can't remember how far I got with Yellow, but other than that, the idea of playing remakes and enhanced editions never really appealed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 03:02:09 No.36150115 Report

Quoted By: >>36150224

>>36149999

Despite having largely done the same myself, I'd wait for a second opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 03:27:45 No.36150224 Report

Quoted By: >>36150231

>>36150115
It's too late, I've already sworn a blood oath to undertake the above mentioned course of action and never to diverge from it.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 03:29:11 No.36150231 Report

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>>36150224

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