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Mega Diancie quickbanned from UU, Mega Venusaur remains

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:37:57 No.36152340 View View Reply Original Report

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-usum-uu-stage-8-diamonds-from-sierra-leone.3639173/post-7855563

>Diancite: 10/11 voted Ban
>Venusaurite: 6/11 voted Do Not Ban

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:39:25 No.36152344 Report

Quoted By: >>36152354 >>36152365

>Smogon

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:39:47 No.36152346 Report

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>>36152340
BWAHAHAHAHAH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:42:09 No.36152354 Report

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>>36152344
b-but muh evasion boost

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:44:10 No.36152364 Report

Quoted By: >>36152772 >>36152884 >>36153030

>>36152340
I'm a bit surprised Venasaur stayed but it's time for Diance to make her stay in BL hell with the rest
3 of my favorite pokemon are stuck there. Fuck the UU council UUBL is half the size of a tier right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:44:39 No.36152365 Report

Quoted By: >>36152367 >>36152371 >>36152382 >>36152407 >>36153498

>>36152344
>Missing the point this hard
Moody is not banned because it's good, but because it's entirely luck depenedent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:45:23 No.36152367 Report

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>>36152365
He's just pretending to be retarded anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:46:11 No.36152371 Report

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>>36152365
Whatever you say, smogon cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:46:31 No.36152372 Report

Quoted By: >>36152388

Diancie did need to be banned. It was stupidly hard to stop.
Venusuar gets shit on by a bunch of the top threats like Latias and Mega Pidgeot, so it's fine. Also, Venusaur destroys the bulky water types tat infest that wretched meta, so, again, no problem for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:48:00 No.36152382 Report

Quoted By: >>36152399 >>36152624

>>36152365
>but because it's entirely luck depenedent
i fail to see the problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:50:12 No.36152388 Report

Quoted By: >>36152410

>>36152372
I'll bet you M-Venasaur will get banned soonish because that's the way UU works

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:51:31 No.36152399 Report

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>>36152382
you're just too stupid to understand the superior smogon metagane, anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:53:05 No.36152407 Report

Quoted By: >>36152427

>>36152365
So is ParaFlinch, my hypocritical friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:54:33 No.36152410 Report

Quoted By: >>36152443 >>36153135

>>36152388
Yeah, probably. It'll make someone high on the ladder's precious volt-turn team squirm (Venusaur shits on that cancerous playstyle, another reason I love it) he'll write a several-paragraph long thesis on why Venusaur's this insurmountable threat that must be banned (just use a psychic or flying attack lol) everyone will agree with him after they lose to Venusuar once or twice on the ladder, and we'll lose our big green and blue buddy. That's ho it happened with Mega Pidgeot last gen, who got banned because people got butthurt over Hurricane causing confusion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 14:59:41 No.36152427 Report

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>>36152407
GF has acctually nerfed paraflinch a good amount too though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 15:03:25 No.36152443 Report

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>>36152410
Seems like Breloom a bit doesn't it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 15:08:06 No.36152458 Report

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Haven't played the metagame since early Gen VI but Mega Vensaur was an absolute tank in Battle Spot Doubles. Nothing but respect for MY big fat green plant toad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 15:47:10 No.36152624 Report

Quoted By: >>36152670 >>36152945

>>36152382
Because the person who used the better strategy, managed the battle the best, and overall was the better player could still lose due to factors they couldn't control.
Sure, things like status chances, critical hits, and misses happen, but most of the time, they are lessly likely to determine a game than Moody.
Moody also forces you to use Unaware/Haze on every team to consistently beat, which any Moody team can then just use what ever teammates can eliminate said threats to the strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 15:55:23 No.36152670 Report

Quoted By: >>36152932

>>36152624
>person who used the better strategy
Well, it clearly wasn't the best, was it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:11:43 No.36152772 Report

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>>36152364
Then use them in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:17:50 No.36152817 Report

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>implying anyone here plays with smogon rules
>implying they aren’t just whining for the sake of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:29:11 No.36152884 Report

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>>36152364

Blame Game Freak. They make so many good offensive mons and very few good defensive mons, so OU ends up hogging the latter while ending up with a surplus of the former.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:39:22 No.36152932 Report

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>>36152670
No, it still was the better strategy. Considering luck is literally not a strategy.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:41:08 No.36152940 Report

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>UU will never be comfy again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:42:13 No.36152945 Report

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>>36152624

>Unaware

Unaware can't stop Smeargle unfortunately, since solo Moody sets usually run Stored Power.

+6 252 SpA Smeargle Stored Power (620 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Pyukumuku: 157-185 (50 - 58.9%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 16:55:01 No.36153030 Report

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>>36152364
You can still make Diancie work in OU, but it needs to much scouting imo (and there are better megas around, but that's besides the point). 110 is just a pretty awkward speed tier right now, considering you can't slap a scarf on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 17:10:58 No.36153135 Report

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>>36152410
Actually, someone said that Volt-Turn takes advantage of M-Venusaur

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-usum-uu-stage-8-diamonds-from-sierra-leone.3639173/post-7855690

>Regardless of its set, I found Mega Venusaur actually not that hard to be taken advantage of. VoltTurn, a not unpopular playstyle, uses Mega Venusaur to grant "free" turns to wallbreakers like Moltres, Latias, and Crobat, thanks to Volt Switch and U-turn users that Mega Venusaur normally beats, such as Rotom-Mow and Scizor. Furthermore, Mega Venusaur relies on Synthesis to stay healthy, which can be very easily taken advantage of by offensive teams. As for slower and bulkier teams, Mega Venusaur finds it really hard to break through its staples, including Crobat, Amoonguss, and Blissey.

Basically they're saying M-Venusaur gives VoltTurn teams "free turns"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 18:16:37 No.36153498 Report

Quoted By: >>36153544

>>36152365
>Moody is not banned because it's good, but because it's entirely luck depenedent.
Better ban moves without 100 accuracy then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 18:25:39 No.36153544 Report

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>>36153498
You have a choice between the weaker, more accurate move or the stronger, less accurate move.

Most people choose the stronger move.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Jul 2018 18:32:07 No.36153591 Report

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>people actually bitch about getting luck in video games

You guys wouldn't be complaining about this in any other video game would you?

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