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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 15:58:25 No.36193096 View View Reply Original Report

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Did Talonflame deserve these nerfs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 15:59:29 No.36193102 Report

Quoted By: >>36193448 >>36200460

>>36193096
Talonflame deserved to be NERFED, but not like this.
Shitters that couldn't deal with it don't care about balance will say YES though, they just want easy wins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:00:33 No.36193108 Report

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Yes but the new mons make Talonflame look like a joke by comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:00:55 No.36193110 Report

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>>36193096
It’s good that it then got multiple counters, but it should have kept universal priority, or at least above 50% health like Defeatist Archeochops

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:09:50 No.36193160 Report

Quoted By: >>36197799

Requiring full HP was too damn heavy of a nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:12:20 No.36193182 Report

Quoted By: >>36193190 >>36193211

>>36193096
Priority in general did, yes. It was getting to be an arms race where some turns you'd have 3 out of the 4 pokemon in battle using priority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:13:29 No.36193190 Report

Quoted By: >>36193202 >>36193360

>>36193182
>4
But you can take 6 Pokemon into a battle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:15:01 No.36193202 Report

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>>36193190
Not in doubles

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:15:42 No.36193207 Report

Quoted By: >>36193287

Gale Wings never should have been that powerful in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:16:18 No.36193211 Report

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>>36193182
talonflame wasn't THAT bad in doubles compared to singles, especially battlespot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:23:21 No.36193261 Report

Quoted By: >>36194429

>>36193096
All of this is redundant, only having Gale Wings work like Defeatist would be enough.

Put Stealth Rock, and BOOM, Talonflame can use priority once at most (if its HP is an odd number). Now with Stealth Rock, Talonflame can only use GW if it starts the battle, and even then there's 3 abilities made just to fuck Talonflame.

I hope they fix it next gen. But it's Game Freak, of course we'll be left with a now useless Pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:25:00 No.36193273 Report

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>>36193096
It wasn't just nerfed, it's completely useless now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:27:22 No.36193287 Report

Quoted By: >>36193309 >>36193330

>>36193207
i'd argue gale wings should have been that powerful, but talonflame's stats should have been adjusted instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:33:01 No.36193309 Report

Quoted By: >>36193365 >>36195034

>>36193287
>i'd argue gale wings should have been that powerful, but talonflame's stats should have been adjusted instead.

Talonflame is a shitmon. If it wasn't for Gale Wings nobody would use it. Gale Wings was that made usable, and it wasn't so overpowered. You just needed something tanky enough to receive a hit, Talonflame would die in the next attack

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:34:55 No.36193316 Report

Quoted By: >>36193587

>>36193096
Yes. Anyone who says no doesn't know shit about game design or balance at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:36:52 No.36193330 Report

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>>36193287
Talonflame is pretty weak already though
It barely has more attack than Persian

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:37:28 No.36193333 Report

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>>36193096
Yes.
t. not a spider

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:42:11 No.36193352 Report

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I really like the concept a whole type getting priority so I hope it returns some day, but giving it to something that gets Brave Bird, Roost and Tailwind was a mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:44:34 No.36193360 Report

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>>36193190
>He thinks gf balances around Smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:46:05 No.36193365 Report

Quoted By: >>36193382 >>36193397

>>36193309
>You just needed something tanky enough to receive a hit,
or literally any rock type

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:51:29 No.36193382 Report

Quoted By: >>36193388 >>36193440

>>36193365
Tyranitar is literally the only decent rock type in OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:53:37 No.36193388 Report

Quoted By: >>36193394

>>36193382
is terrakion not even in OU this gen? (honest question, don't play competetive)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:56:36 No.36193394 Report

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>>36193388
Terrakion was BL LAST gen. Now it isn't even good enough to get banned.
Also it's neutral to Brave Bird.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:57:31 No.36193397 Report

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>>36193365
stealth rocks are more reliable that using an actual rock type besides T-tar
Running a rock type on your team for talonflame in gen 6 is neutering yourself for free. Especially if its doubles.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 16:59:38 No.36193402 Report

Quoted By: >>36193461

>>36193096
Lol Talonflamefags BTFO
That was no nerf, it was an outright assassination. But what do you expect from GF, they have zero clue about balancing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:04:24 No.36193424 Report

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>>36193096
Lol who uses any of those shitters competitively?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:08:51 No.36193440 Report

Quoted By: >>36193449

>>36193382
good thing heatran isnt good in ou haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:11:41 No.36193446 Report

Quoted By: >>36193477 >>36194785

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-780185230

>Talonflame Team with 2150 points on OU showdown Ladder

get ur facts straight, talonflame is still OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:11:48 No.36193448 Report

Quoted By: >>36193614

>>36193102
>Shitters that couldn't deal with it don't care about balance will say YES though, they just want easy wins.
Well how did you deal with it? I had cases where a rock type somehow got oneshot by a non crit Brave Bird. Im glad it got nerfed so half or more of my team doesnt get taken by a single fucking bird. It makes it so Im able to use pokemon I actually want to use rather than being forced to use OU copy paste sets just to counter it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:11:53 No.36193449 Report

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>>36193440
>limited teambuilding to prepare for one mon
Good thing OU is cancer haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:13:30 No.36193453 Report

Quoted By: >>36193500

>>36193096
Eh, talonflame was tricky to deal with at first, but at least I found reliable ways to shut it down rather quickly. It did kind of v suck that I had to carry a pokemon to deal with talonflame in every team, but there were options. I do tend to prefer using bulky mons, though. Not stall, just pokemon that can take hits and hit hard in return. I suppose that if your preferred battling style was hyper offense with glass cannons then yeah, having every other team carrying a birb must have sucked. So I guess it did deserve a nerf, although GF went overkill mode with it. I hardly play OU though, so I can't talk about pre SM talonflame on that meta

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:14:59 No.36193461 Report

Quoted By: >>36193507 >>36193510 >>36193527

>>36193402
what's happening here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:16:21 No.36193469 Report

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no, only low elo faggots things that, especially with all this anti prio shit now.

and if they really need to nerf it because of autism, they could nerf it so that only attacks with power 80 or less works with the ability.
it has terrible stats too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:18:27 No.36193477 Report

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>>36193446
Should have picked a better replay because Talonflame didn't do much in that game.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:24:30 No.36193499 Report

Quoted By: >>36193683

>>36193096
gale wings didn't need a nerf
also those anti priority were overdone to counter you know who...the cancer prankster thunder wave swagger foul play pokemon
in fact para was nerfed, thunder wave was nerfed in acc, confusion was nerfed, prankster was nerfed against dark type and the anti priority terrain and abilities
bird was just an innocent victim

gen 7 wanted to rebalance a little priority spam and rng status

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:24:51 No.36193500 Report

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>>36193453
Bulky offense really is the best playstyle

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:25:43 No.36193507 Report

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>>36193461
Dead child

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:26:01 No.36193510 Report

Quoted By: >>36193573

>>36193461
just bird things

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:28:44 No.36193527 Report

Quoted By: >>36193600 >>36193691

>>36193461
>someone sets a camera on a nest spot
>fledglings are weak due to unknown natural causes (illness, etc)
>parent comes back to the nest to find them dead
The strange behavior in the video happens right after. It looks like it's crying, but it's probably just us humanizing the animal's behavior (probably).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:39:57 No.36193573 Report

Quoted By: >>36193585

>>36193510
The last of the dinosaurs everyone

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:44:00 No.36193585 Report

Quoted By: >>36193592 >>36193639

>>36193573
wud u rather a thicc birdosaur mama

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:44:24 No.36193587 Report

Quoted By: >>36194255

>>36193316
I bet you would defend all 50 UBs and Tapus in the same breath you dumb ass mouthbreather.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:45:13 No.36193592 Report

Quoted By: >>36193639

>>36193585
or a cute autistic birdosaur gf (male)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:46:54 No.36193600 Report

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>>36193527
that's clearly a necrophile perv birb

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:50:47 No.36193614 Report

Quoted By: >>36193883

>>36193448
>It makes it so Im able to use pokemon I actually want to use rather than being forced to use OU copy paste sets just to counter it.
i very much doubt you play competitively, but even if you do, what do you do this generation (and every other) that has top threats? talonflame isn't the only "strong" pokemon in a metagame to have ever existed. you need to have answers to all the top pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:56:49 No.36193639 Report

Quoted By: >>36193687 >>36197756

>>36193585
>>36193592
go masturbeast to animals here >>>/mlp/ instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 17:58:30 No.36193643 Report

Quoted By: >>36193800

Breloomfag here. Never taught I'd miss the bird

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:09:17 No.36193683 Report

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>>36193499
>gen 7 wanted to rebalance a little priority spam
yet literally every npc trainer 'mon has sucker punch

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:10:29 No.36193687 Report

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>>36193639
no :3c

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:10:59 No.36193691 Report

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>>36193527
There are animals that have incredibly similar behavioral patterns that we have. But there's no way to know how they're actually feeling since we can't accurately measure this.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:37:39 No.36193800 Report

Quoted By: >>36193856

>>36193643
>Breloom

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:41:02 No.36193814 Report

Quoted By: >>36194288 >>36197044

What does Tsareena having Queenly Majesty have to do with Talonflame's priority? It got no moves to hit the bird with anyway, and it is also weak to both of Talonflame's STABs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:47:27 No.36193856 Report

Quoted By: >>36193914

>>36193800
>he enforces sleep clause in casual games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:51:21 No.36193883 Report

Quoted By: >>36193929 >>36193944 >>36193947

>>36193614
Youre right, I dont play competitively, I play for fun, which is why I dont like copying and pasting sets. A pokemon that I like to use that takes care of top threats is Eelektross. With a special set it can take care of Lando, Ferrothorn and, even though its not as much of a threat, Garchomp. Even though its not as good of a counter, theres also the Seaking+Pelipper combo to bait Tapu Koko into boosting Seakings special attack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:54:43 No.36193908 Report

Quoted By:

>>36193096
They could've buffed it's stats a little to make up for the huge nerf. Also why doesn't it learn any kicking moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:55:15 No.36193914 Report

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>>36193856
nah, just a Ttarfag

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:56:55 No.36193929 Report

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>>36193883
>this whole post

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:59:06 No.36193944 Report

Quoted By: >>36193952

>>36193883
>A pokemon that I like to use that takes care of top threats is Eelektross
*Earthquakes u*
nothin personnel kid

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:59:16 No.36193947 Report

Quoted By: >>36193952

>>36193883
>Eelektross
>Takes care of top threats
>Lando and Garchomp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 18:59:51 No.36193952 Report

Quoted By: >>36193959 >>36193974 >>36193985

>>36193944
>>36193947
And this is why Eelektross can take care of them, people never know its fucking ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:00:20 No.36193954 Report

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During gen 6
But once 7 rolled around it should've kept old gale wings, would've been fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:00:32 No.36193959 Report

Quoted By: >>36193962 >>36198114

>>36193952
Do you know Excadrill's ability?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:01:02 No.36193962 Report

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>>36193959
Fair point, I forgot about that. My mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:02:07 No.36193974 Report

Quoted By: >>36194051

>>36193952
>And this is why Eelektross can take care of them, people never know its fucking ability.
I know you don't play but have you made it out of 1100 yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:02:22 No.36193976 Report

Quoted By: >>36193998

>>36193096
Yeah it was pretty brainless, limited a lot of what offense could do, and led people to use really dumb shit to speed or bulk creep with their own talonflames. The Wisp/BulkUp set was pretty unique to any metagame so I kind of wish it was back in a weaker form. Not sure how to nerf it without completely JUSTing it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:03:05 No.36193985 Report

Quoted By: >>36194113

>>36193952
Post a replay of Eelektross taking out Landorus or Garchomp, and I'll retract my statement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:05:12 No.36193998 Report

Quoted By: >>36194066 >>36198075

>>36193976
>The Wisp/BulkUp set was pretty unique to any metagame
Technically Infernape ran a similar set in OU that was popular for being able to counter Scizor and most of the same Pokemon that Talonflame targeted.
- Bulk Up
- Will-o-wisp
- Low Kick
- Slack Off

It was usually only good for teams that relied on Talonflame as a revenge killer or sweeper, though.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:14:21 No.36194051 Report

Quoted By: >>36194228 >>36194354 >>36194569 >>36195104

>>36193974
Created an account just to use the team with Eelektross, and technically I have made it out of 1100.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:17:29 No.36194066 Report

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>>36193998
It doesn't really compare since WispUp was able to both wittle everything down defensively as well as sweep with boosted bravebirds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:20:47 No.36194088 Report

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Talonflame was gay anyway, just look at that fucking name. Ugh..

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:24:35 No.36194113 Report

Quoted By: >>36194141 >>36194223

>>36193985
Couldnt share a replay since I downloaded it but didnt upload and share it, but heres the chat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:28:53 No.36194141 Report

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>>36194113
So you're either playing against tards or he sacked Chomp because it was except for pebbles. Gonna go with the tard theory though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:32:07 No.36194163 Report

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>>36193096
>become literally unplayable
This should be a reminder that you are playing someone else's game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:44:10 No.36194223 Report

Quoted By: >>36194244

>>36194113
he sacrificed that garchomp...
eh, technically counts, i suppose

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:45:08 No.36194228 Report

Quoted By: >>36194236

>>36194051
>7 losses in dumpster elo
Impressive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:46:38 No.36194236 Report

Quoted By: >>36194569

>>36194228
Well with a team consisting of 2 pokemon from OU (One of which has a move it doesnt normally have), 3 from PU and 1 from LC Im surprised I dont have more

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:48:02 No.36194244 Report

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>>36194223
Why do you think showderp can actually get wins with their memes? I champed on my regular acc once and just got smashed back into the 1400s but it was fun

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:48:47 No.36194251 Report

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>>36193096
if they did it do talonflame, they should do it to lando-t

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:49:28 No.36194255 Report

Quoted By: >>36194703

>>36193587
>50 UBs
Only 4 or 5 are good.
Thanks for proving his point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 19:57:07 No.36194288 Report

Quoted By: >>36197044

>>36193814
Talonfags are retarded, Bruxish is a shitmon too that wouldn't see use in OU as a makeshift bird check either way and Accelrock would still go after Brave Bird/Acrobatics since Talonflame is faster anyways. Only Lele would have somewhat slowed down its sweeping potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:05:22 No.36194332 Report

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>all those shitmons
Ayyyy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:09:27 No.36194354 Report

Quoted By: >>36194369

>>36194051
how do you see win loss ratio?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:11:25 No.36194369 Report

Quoted By: >>36194393

>>36194354
Click your name in the top right corner then click it again or go to https://pokemonshowdown.com/users/[your name]

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:14:17 No.36194393 Report

Quoted By: >>36194404

>>36194369
yeah man it's just showing me elo, gxe and glicko but not the w/l ratio

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:15:40 No.36194404 Report

Quoted By: >>36194426

>>36194393
/rank [user] in chat iirc

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:19:11 No.36194426 Report

Quoted By: >>36194440 >>36194449

>>36194404
lmao so you can only see w/l while in the middle of a battle, alrighty then

thanks for the help bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:19:54 No.36194429 Report

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>>36193261
Smogonbird would have Roost to restore HP. And nobody would use Brave Bird if Gale Wings worked like that, Acrobatics would be the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:21:38 No.36194440 Report

Quoted By: >>36194453

>>36194426
?? there are chatrooms m8

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:22:38 No.36194449 Report

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>>36194426
Actually you need to be signed in to the account youre checking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:22:54 No.36194453 Report

Quoted By: >>36194458

>>36194440
nigga god damn I'm not gonna spam a chatroom just to see my win loss ratio I'm not a bastard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:23:57 No.36194458 Report

Quoted By: >>36194481

>>36194453
/commands are only visible to you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:27:38 No.36194481 Report

Quoted By: >>36194511

>>36194458
I'm sorry I swore at you anon it was a moment of weakness

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:31:47 No.36194511 Report

Quoted By: >>36194526

>>36194481
>I'm sorry I swore at you anon
It's 4chan m8 who cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:33:54 No.36194526 Report

Quoted By: >>36196066

>>36194511
my mom came in the room and made me apologize after reading what I sent :/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 20:38:30 No.36194569 Report

Quoted By: >>36195157

>>36194051
>>36194236
Lemme know your username. I wanna play against you and see what happens.
(I'm a 1300 shitter so don't worry about me being king of the tryhards or anything)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:00:14 No.36194703 Report

Quoted By: >>36196418

>>36194255
Apart from Guzzlord, they are all good
>But they are not SSS+ in OU
Fuck off, they are still all UU or higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:12:21 No.36194785 Report

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>>36193446
>Look guys! I found this one case where a player used a shitmon to get to a top ranking

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:20:08 No.36194828 Report

Quoted By: >>36194893

>>36193096
Not at all.
People really overrated Talonflame's usefulness in the meta and is arguably the most overrated Pokemon in any meta.
If Talonflame has Staraptor (moderate speed with high power) stats instead of Swellow stats (Super fast with a very small attack, which kind of defeats the purpose of gale wings), it would definitely be well above what its reputation from Gen 6 implies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:33:36 No.36194893 Report

Quoted By: >>36194971

>>36194828
Did you ever play Gen 6? Like, competitively.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:49:30 No.36194971 Report

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>>36194893
Yes I have (mostly OMs, but still plenty OU). Its still extremely overrated. Even with the second strongest priority, right behind Yveltal, the priority only factored in some situations since it had a whooping 126 Speed and sets that didn't run stallbreaking sets.
Also it has very lack luster bulk, combined with its SR weakness and recoil damage, Talonflame would many times be dead before doing anything.
If you gave Staraptor or Braviary GW, that would be a whole new story though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 21:59:13 No.36195034 Report

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>>36193309
this, even a meme talonflame set (talonquail) relied on talonflame being able to get off priority roosts off

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 22:11:29 No.36195104 Report

Quoted By:

>>36194051
>1141
still higher than 90% of vp

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 22:23:34 No.36195157 Report

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>>36194569
Its PlayForFunYouFucks. I suck at pokemon, but I have fun doing it and thats all that really matters when it comes to video games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 22:24:04 No.36195160 Report

Quoted By: >>36196375

There should be a low hp Pokemon that has an ability that causes overflow damage (damage in excess of the Pokemon's remaining hp) to be reflected back at the attacker. Really mediocre attack and defense stats with a shitty bug/steel typing, quiver dance to ensure it needs to be dealt with.

I just fixed the meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 01:14:00 No.36196066 Report

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>>36194526
lmao this is such an underage board

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 01:31:53 No.36196147 Report

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>all these "balance" changes made in gen 7
If Gamefreaks starts releasing patch notes along with mandatory updates, I'm done with the series.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 02:26:06 No.36196375 Report

Quoted By: >>36197577

>>36195160
yeah man let's punish offense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 02:37:12 No.36196418 Report

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>>36194703
>banned
Pheromosa, Naganadel
>top tier OU
Kartana
>OU by usage
Celesteela, Blacephalon
>meme tier but still usable
Nihilego, Buzzwole, Stakataka
>countered by Excadrill, showderp tier
Xurkitree
>absolute shitmon tier
Guzzlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 04:53:00 No.36197044 Report

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>>36193814
>>36194288
>scarf doesn't exist
elo shitters, everyone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 07:26:24 No.36197566 Report

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>made an alt-account to test new teams/memes
>still haven't seen a single Koko after 6 games
I forgot how comfy low ladder is

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 07:33:05 No.36197577 Report

Quoted By: >>36197594

>>36196375
It doesn't punish offense, it just punishes hyper offensive glass cannons.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 07:38:56 No.36197594 Report

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>>36197577
>Really mediocre attack and defense stats with a shitty bug/steel typing
It would mostly affect bulky offense because a U-turn/Volt-switch would probably kill it and BO doesn't usually carry toxic.
Also
>shitty bug/steel typing
It's one of the best typings in the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 08:40:31 No.36197756 Report

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>>36193639
Masturbating to pokémon is even closer to that than what /mlp/ does and /vp/ was doing it well before /mlp/ even existed, you dipshit.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 08:56:15 No.36197799 Report

Quoted By: >>36197830 >>36197947 >>36198066 >>36198108

>>36193160

Nah, I think it was perfect because now talonflame can't run brave bird. Which it would do with choice band or some shit. It is now forced to run acrobatics instead, which is still powerful but at least can't be boosted by an item.

Talonflame still has the strongest priority in the game thanks to Supersonic Skystrike. Talonflame is still extremely viable, and considering it's a route 1 shitmon bird, it is way better off than the other route 1 birds even after the nerfs.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 09:00:48 No.36197808 Report

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>made a team that's weak to double dance Lando
haha I'm glad they're either scarf or PhysDef am I right fellas. Oh and it's also weak to koko because that team doesn't have a ground type either lmao
Seriously, it made me realize just how important Lando-T is

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 09:09:00 No.36197830 Report

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>>36197799
>252+ Atk Talonflame Supersonic Skystrike (190 BP) vs. 240 HP / 156 Def Mew: 213-252 (53.1 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>+2 252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Quick Attack vs. 240 HP / 156 Def Mew: 153-181 (38.1 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Seriously, if you want to use bird-spam in gen 7 just use Pinsir

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 09:19:09 No.36197847 Report

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I laugh when I remember Talonflame is actually its real name.
What a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 10:15:25 No.36197947 Report

Quoted By: >>36198073 >>36198108

>>36197799
Talonflame never had the strongest priority in the game. It's still Yveltal's Sucker Punch.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:06:41 No.36198066 Report

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>>36197799
Staraptor is stronger than Talonflame

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:08:16 No.36198073 Report

Quoted By: >>36198091 >>36198108

>>36197947
There's no way Sucker punch is stronger than Supersonic skystrike, even condidering Talonflame's lower attack

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:08:43 No.36198075 Report

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>>36193998
I can’t count how many landorus and garchomp have fallen to my hp ice magnezone. Analytic and predicting switches is hilarious. You’d be surprised how many fall for eq bait because they got rocks out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:09:21 No.36198077 Report

Quoted By: >>36199293

>>36193096
>psychic terrain
>affecting talonflame

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:13:19 No.36198091 Report

Quoted By: >>36198096 >>36198108

>>36198073
>dark Aura + STAB with 131 base attack

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:15:59 No.36198096 Report

Quoted By: >>36198108

>>36198091
So it's 190 BP from 81 base atk vs 93 BP from 131 base attack. First one is clearly stronger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:21:22 No.36198108 Report

Quoted By: >>36198109

>>36198096
>>36198091
>>36198073
>>36197947
>>36197799
252+ Atk Talonflame Supersonic Skystrike (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 130-154 (74.2 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 88-105 (50.2 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 132-156 (75.4 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Talonflame has the strongest priority move in the game and Yveltal has the strongest spammable priority move in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:23:04 No.36198109 Report

Quoted By: >>36198112

>>36198108
>Talonflame has the strongest priority move in the game
>the Yveltal calc is stronger
What did he mean by this?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:24:41 No.36198112 Report

Quoted By: >>36198117

>>36198109
You can theoretically boost to +6 with Swords Dance on Talonflame and outdamage CB Sucker Punch.
Choice Band Yveltal is a bad meme, that's why it's spoiled.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:25:38 No.36198114 Report

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>>36193959
Lol

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:26:43 No.36198117 Report

Quoted By: >>36198120

>>36198112
You can theoretically BP the boosts to Yveltal and still hit harder. How does this change the fact fact that CB Sucker Punch outdamages Skystrike?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:27:40 No.36198120 Report

Quoted By: >>36198126

>>36198117
The fact that Talonflame can boost on its own while Yveltal can't.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:30:10 No.36198126 Report

Quoted By: >>36198131 >>36198143

>>36198120
What does that have to do with the fact that Yveltal has the strongest priority move in the game other than a Mega Rayquaza that has been skill swapped Gale Wings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:31:21 No.36198131 Report

Quoted By: >>36198136

>>36198126
1v1 setting. Who has the strongest priority attack?

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:33:56 No.36198136 Report

Quoted By: >>36198149

>>36198131
Yveltal, as the calcs have shown.

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gabeloganisafag !ZTcre2fKyQ Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:36:44 No.36198143 Report

Quoted By: >>36198153

>>36198126
>Gale Wings
I think you meant Aerilate

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:38:55 No.36198149 Report

Quoted By: >>36198165

>>36198136
Nope. Yveltal woudn't be able to hit a Sucker Punch because Talonflame has more speed!

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:41:19 No.36198153 Report

Quoted By: >>36198184

>>36198143
Hi there!

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:44:41 No.36198165 Report

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>>36198149
>Talonflame feels a grain of sand tough the tip of a feather
>no longer has priority

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gabeloganisafag !ZTcre2fKyQ Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:50:20 No.36198184 Report

Quoted By: >>36198191

>>36198153
>that old ass pasta
fight me faggot

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 11:52:05 No.36198191 Report

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>>36198184
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 17:25:06 No.36199263 Report

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Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 17:32:20 No.36199293 Report

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>>36198077
It makes it so it cannot use Brave Bird on a grounded opponent, meaning stuff like Keldeo under Psychic Terrain has nothing to worry about if matched against the bird.

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 17:47:55 No.36199349 Report

Quoted By: >>36199403

>Not naming it Flaregrine
What the actual fuck TPC
It's right fucking there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 18:01:05 No.36199403 Report

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>>36199349
>not Pyrogrine

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Anonymous Sat 28 Jul 2018 21:52:15 No.36200460 Report

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>>36193102
>they just want easy wins
The ABSOLUTE LACK OF SELF AWARENESS of talonflame shitters

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