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Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:25:19 No.36493848 View View Reply Original Report

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Hey 4chan, what’s your opinion on smogon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:25:49 No.36493854 Report

Quoted By: >>36493863

it exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:26:45 No.36493863 Report

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>>36493854
Ya don’t say...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:30:36 No.36493887 Report

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who?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:31:12 No.36493892 Report

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I prefer Smogsmog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:31:12 No.36493893 Report

Quoted By: >>36494213

>>36493848
Ziemlich knuffig und mein Lieblings-Gifttyp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:31:21 No.36493894 Report

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more like sssshitmogon LOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:33:15 No.36493905 Report

Quoted By: >>36495843 >>36502811

I unironically like it, especially the OM part, when they're not too retarded
Mix and Mega is a personal fav

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:46:01 No.36493973 Report

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They've made a lot of houserules that help improve single battles. Having a bunch of recommended sets and stuff for basically every pokemon ever is pretty nice too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:48:48 No.36493989 Report

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>>36493848
I go there for ideas on how to properly set up my competitive Pokémon, though I couldn't give two shits about the actual smogon battling system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:48:56 No.36493991 Report

Quoted By: >>36495905

Only way to play competitive pokemon remotely balanced. Tiering and community sucks however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 20:51:59 No.36494008 Report

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>>36493848
I want them to change the mascot to CoSmogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 21:17:00 No.36494129 Report

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>>36493848
I feel like their rulesets are overly bloated and littered with the detritus of 15 years of bureaucracy, as well as misunderstandings and inconsistencies of what they actually try to achieve (i.e, whether that's balance between lots of usable Pokémon, or balance between lots of usable strategies, or a luck-free metagame etc.)
Their experienced members are actually okay but they attract loads of idiots who think that just having a Smogon account makes them good at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 21:34:43 No.36494213 Report

Quoted By: >>36505127

>>36493893
Gay/10, welcher kerl sagt noch knuffig

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 08 Sep 2018 21:38:07 No.36494237 Report

Quoted By: >>36495872

>>36493848
Has some blatant favouritism in what is and isn't in what tier but i also see the effort they put in and can see where they are coming from with some rules. and i kinda like the idea of having fromats where "shitmons" are viable. Pretty easy to ignore their shit anyway, not like they have a phoneline to Gamefreak or are getting pandered to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:08:13 No.36495843 Report

Quoted By: >>36499807 >>36502811

>>36493905
Me too. My fave is Camomons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:12:59 No.36495872 Report

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>>36494237
Idiotic post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:14:52 No.36495880 Report

Quoted By: >>36497259 >>36497605 >>36502204 >>36502282 >>36505328

It's really stupid, now everyone just runs the exact same sets, every single match is predictable and you know exactly how its gonna go on team preview. No ones original, no one trys anything new, and everyone e things being able to copy paste a team makes them good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:19:19 No.36495905 Report

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>>36493991
>Tiering and community sucks however.
Just play ubers if you hate tiering. It's a really good meta because the obnoxious shit like baton pass and moody are banned.

Just ignore the community, it's easy. They try to get in your face more by adding credits to the recommended pages but just ignore it. They're dramawhores

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:21:59 No.36495922 Report

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good for movesets and stuff

i train based on VGC, but i don't mind smogon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:30:00 No.36495958 Report

Quoted By: >>36496996

Fantastic. Good for learning the metagame and they created an environment where i can use shitmons without instant sweeping

Ive only ever really disagreed with a couple of their bans (really, theres still a blanket baton pass ban?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:35:10 No.36495980 Report

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>>36493848
i'm actually fine with the tiers but the reasons that they have to unban and ban some stuff are a bit too dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:36:10 No.36495982 Report

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>>36493848
Bums and clowns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:36:37 No.36495988 Report

Quoted By: >>36497639

Back when they banned all Blaziken instead of banning just Speed Boost Blaziken, they showed such shortsightedness and ineptitude that I haven't given a shit about those goddamn nigger shitskin retards since.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:40:07 No.36496012 Report

Quoted By: >>36496352 >>36496998 >>36497169 >>36503078

>>36493848
Finchinator is a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 02:45:00 No.36496352 Report

Quoted By: >>36496423

>>36496012
Hard agree but he's not even the worst smod.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 02:56:11 No.36496423 Report

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>>36496352
Giving teenagers mod status is gonna leave you with disaster no matter what, even if they're good at Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 05:13:19 No.36496996 Report

Quoted By: >>36504558

>>36495958
You dont want to see baton pass legal, theres no elegant solution to dealing with that abomination of a move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 05:14:21 No.36496998 Report

Quoted By: >>36499245 >>36502296

>>36496012
Omari P is the best poster on smogon hands down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 06:22:25 No.36497169 Report

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>>36496012
Gary is even worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 06:30:23 No.36497193 Report

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>>36493848
Don't listen to any of these faggots, I'm the real 4chan. Smogon is shit.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 07:07:50 No.36497257 Report

Quoted By: >>36497264 >>36504301 >>36505300

Okay in principle and most of what they do as far as tiering as at least understandable, even if I don't always agree with it. They have a lot of resources that are good for the larger community. Still, it's a Pokemon community, which means a lot of inherent autism and teen angst. They also have a shitty attitude towards newcomers, OST XI being the prime example of that. Then there's the allegations of scouting and ghosting, which I haven't seen proof of but is more symptomatic of the fact that Smogon pretty much has a monopoly on popular Singles tournaments.

Overall a positive force, but it has problems inherent to a lack of competition and being a Pokemon community.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 07:08:52 No.36497259 Report

Quoted By: >>36502204

>>36495880
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 07:11:04 No.36497264 Report

Quoted By: >>36497359

>>36497257
>Then there's the allegations of scouting and ghosting, which I haven't seen proof of but is more symptomatic of the fact that Smogon pretty much has a monopoly on popular Singles tournaments.
To clarify, I mean that even if the allegations are true, it wouldn't be as much of a problem if there were other serious tournaments not run by Smogon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 07:37:47 No.36497359 Report

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>>36497264
Wolfe Glick, VGC 2016 World's Champion got scouted some time ago via PS so it indeed is a problem for pretty much anyone as you don't know what kind of faggot has a modicum of power there.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spkbso

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 08:11:06 No.36497473 Report

Quoted By: >>36498674

>>36493848
It's the best for singles. The game is unbalanced by design (some mons are weak as fuck and some are super strong) so making usage based tiers is a nice way of making large portion of pokemon viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 09:19:37 No.36497605 Report

Quoted By: >>36498674

>>36495880
You're confusing showdown with VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 09:38:03 No.36497639 Report

Quoted By: >>36498674 >>36499603 >>36502315

>>36495988
Can you fucking imagine if they just rightfully banned Speed Boost? We probably never would have gone down that rabbit hole of baton passing bans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 09:43:35 No.36497645 Report

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>>36493848
It's a useful resource.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 15:09:08 No.36498674 Report

Quoted By: >>36499571

>>36497605
So what? Showdown isn't much better. I don't know what this has anything to do with VGC

>>36497639
We would still have problems, like fat passing

>>36497473
You do realize this means that if a pokemon is complete trash in a tier it's in that means that it can't be usable anywhere else until peopl stop using it right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 15:10:40 No.36498680 Report

Quoted By: >>36499582

OMGON BANS SWAGGE

BUT STEALTH ROCKS IS OK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 16:58:26 No.36499245 Report

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>>36496998
I love that guy and his weird-ass sash Nidoking/helmet Mandibuzz/offensive Mew/regular Hoopa/scarf Staraptor/whatever team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:28:19 No.36499480 Report

Quoted By: >>36499515

>>36493848
I don't have a strong opinion, I enjoy playing random battles when I want to kill time or waiting for another game to download.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:31:48 No.36499515 Report

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>>36499480
Forgot to add, I don't care about competitive and building my own team, I just want to play and experience Pokemon battles by themselves so I love the random option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:35:11 No.36499562 Report

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>>36493848
Competitive Pokémon is a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:35:45 No.36499571 Report

Quoted By: >>36501202

>>36498674
If it's trash people will stop using it retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:36:48 No.36499582 Report

Quoted By: >>36499857

>>36498680
Stealth Rocks is necessary or Stall would destroy the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:38:51 No.36499603 Report

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>>36497639
Speed boost isn't even broken on its own

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 17:58:54 No.36499807 Report

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>>36495843
Yeah camomons is a qt
A qt!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 18:03:42 No.36499857 Report

Quoted By: >>36502118 >>36502454 >>36502521

>>36499582
rocks have litteraly zero impact on stall, they either run mega sableye or are the triple defog variant that was around a while back.
and even mega sab teams usually have a defogger for the rocks excadrill matchup

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 18:04:21 No.36499863 Report

Quoted By: >>36501384

I like it because it helps me with strategies for shitmons that I never use.

but they couldn't help me make cacturne good in PU. ;_;

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 20:35:19 No.36501202 Report

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>>36499571
Then Arcanine and Jolteon should have been dropped to RU and NU respectively a long time ago. If that were the case then I wouldn't have said anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 20:58:31 No.36501384 Report

Quoted By: >>36501542 >>36502184

>>36499863
At least Cacturn has okay abilities and good attacking stats. I challenge you to justify Meganium's existence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 21:17:45 No.36501542 Report

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>>36501384
Actually being the best starter because it was designed to be replaced by something better, unlike the others..

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 22:04:48 No.36501831 Report

Quoted By: >>36503078

Only thing I really don't like is that the bottom two thirds of Ubers are simply doomed to never see the light of day on any half-serious team and some of them probably wouldn't even break OU half as hard as they believe. Also Primals should just be AG because having an ability that literally makes individual move types fail is flat-out retarded and said-abilities can also counteract the ability of the Pokemon they made the meme tier for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 22:51:51 No.36502118 Report

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>>36499857
Yeah, rocks have zero impact on stall, they're just forced to run Magic Bounce and 40 Defog Users per team to handle it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 22:56:06 No.36502148 Report

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>>36493848
Warm neutrality.
They provide something of a basic gentleman's agreement to play by if you want to just play and enjoy some pokemon with a buddy.
I'm also quite fond of them, because they let me use and appreciate a lot of shitmons, though that has been strained lately, more because the powercreep is real, and PU/ZU is still about three times as large as it should be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:01:25 No.36502184 Report

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>>36501384
>Water absorb
>40 spe
>50 def
>50 sp def
There is no hope for cacturne.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:03:21 No.36502204 Report

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>>36495880
>>36497259
Such a stupid thing to say because those issues are a problem with competitive Pokemon as a whole and not just Smogon. For example the cart meta on Battle Spot Singles is literally just Mimikyu, Landorus-T, and Greninja/Megamence/Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:11:39 No.36502258 Report

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They sure do like that ugly genie

1736-1444-3414

1736-1444-3414 Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:14:36 No.36502282 Report

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>>36495880
I reached to 1700 with niche mons and looking predictable but being unpredictable in my favor. The hard part is finding the mons for your strategy, since plain outclassed ones aren't really useful

1736-1444-3414

1736-1444-3414 Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:16:43 No.36502296 Report

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>>36496998
This. His strats and plays are always fun even if all his teams really look alike

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:20:30 No.36502315 Report

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>>36497639
Geopass would probably still be a problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:21:45 No.36502326 Report

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ban lando

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:41:07 No.36502454 Report

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>>36499857
A ton of common Pokemon set up rocks very easily versus stall past Sableye and the defoggers. Clefable and Mega Ttar can almost always do it, as can Heatran and Lando-T with varying difficulty depending on the set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Sep 2018 23:51:12 No.36502521 Report

Quoted By: >>36503172

>>36499857
>rocks have no impact on stall, which is why stall stacks defoggers/magic bounce to prevent them from ever being up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 00:36:41 No.36502811 Report

Quoted By: >>36503374

>>36493905
Looks like the leaders are making a concerted effort to introduce different Pokemon to the meta, just recently i've seen Torkoal and Avalugg make appearances on high ladder and a bunch of Pinsirite lures

>>36495843
>demoted

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 01:32:20 No.36503078 Report

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>>36501831
Good luck trying to get that trough that site. All the tiers and his members and leaders rather try to make it as close as last gen, just look at UU and early OU, the former has inflated his BL so much it could almost make up a tier on his own and early OU was shit, a lot of bans were set because the tier was still volatile and people were trying to get a hang on things so rather than try to adapt the jumped the gun and bans happened, I still remember when people were calling for bans on both Greninjas, Lele and Mage.

>>36496012
I wonder who thought it was a good idea to give a retard like that leadership over OU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 01:51:33 No.36503172 Report

Quoted By: >>36505025

>>36502521
Do you really want to give them those options back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 02:33:01 No.36503374 Report

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>>36502811
I've faced a couple of Torkoal myself. They usually carry Shell Smash Diancite. They weren't really hard to deal with though.

>demoted
Still hurts man

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 06:14:49 No.36504301 Report

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>>36497257
Finally a sane post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 08:00:41 No.36504558 Report

Quoted By: >>36505154

>>36493848
They ban too much. I only play little cup for fast paced games so I don't really know what the other tiers are like nowadays.
>>36496996
>You dont want to see baton pass legal, theres no elegant solution to dealing with that abomination of a move
>Haze, roar, dragon tail, whirlwind

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 08:13:21 No.36504580 Report

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>>36493848
The only good and active Pokemon forum left in all honesty. I dont even use their Strategy Dex anymore, I come for the discussion, high level tournament replays and monthly usage stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 08:22:25 No.36504607 Report

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>>36493848
Elitsm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 11:19:17 No.36505025 Report

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>>36503172
Give who what options back? I'm not entirely sure what you mean here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 11:52:20 No.36505127 Report

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>>36494213
schwul/10, welcher Kerl benutzt denn noch Anglizismen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:00:37 No.36505154 Report

Quoted By: >>36505196

>>36504558
Do people just not remember this?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-110739069

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:14:35 No.36505196 Report

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>>36505154
>No legendaries on either team
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:43:50 No.36505300 Report

Quoted By: >>36505350

>>36497257
>They also have a shitty attitude towards newcomers, OST XI being the prime example of that.
I don't think its a personal thing. Even accounting the general chicanery that these Pokemon communities usually possess, sometimes newcomers have to get drilled if they present a bad idea or else they'll think they've actually presented something worth discussing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:52:38 No.36505328 Report

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>>36495880

You have to if you want to make it to the top. You could probably win matches against good players with a well played Dustox, but it's not gonna be able to do it consistently enough to get to the top of the ladder or win you tournaments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:58:42 No.36505350 Report

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>>36505300
Oh sure, I don't have a problem with taking the piss out of terrible new players. Doxxing/harassing a tourney finalist because they're not an established member, on the other hand, is insanely autistic and obviously wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 10 Sep 2018 12:59:50 No.36505354 Report

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>>36493848
it's shit

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