>>36536709Sure when I was 10 they were tough, seeing as I didn't know shit about stats, STAB, Phys/Spec moves, the usefulness of buffing and X-items. I replayed Diamond recently though, and I destroyed the first three members with Rock Polish/Wood Hammer/Stone Edge/Earthquake Torterra. Lucian got fucked by Rapidash and Weavile. A mix of other non shitmons dealt with Cynthia. In Platinum though, they were definitely the hardest I've seen.