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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:08:10 No.36771405 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>36771445 >>36773392 >>36778807 >>36779313 >>36781794 >>36781859 >>36783315 >>36783321

Two regions is still a necessary thing to make an acceptable game. It may not have been executed well in GSC, but that doesn't mean it can't be done well at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:09:04 No.36771411 Report

Quoted By: >>36771422 >>36771561

>It may not have been executed well in GSC
Unpopular opinion: It was good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:09:31 No.36771415 Report

Quoted By: >>36771430

>Something that's only been done once is necessary
It'd be cool, but I'd hardly call it necessary

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:11:44 No.36771422 Report

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>>36771411
It wasn't. One region was underdeveloped as a result of the other taking up dev time, and the other was a glorified boss rush.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:13:18 No.36771430 Report

Quoted By: >>36771442 >>36771545 >>36779079 >>36779313 >>36783461

>>36771415
Gold and Silver did it. Therefore they set a standard. Subsequent games did not do it, therefore they failed to live up to the standard set by the previous games. That is a failure. An error. New games must at least live up to set standards, though preferably they should eclipse them instead.

I imagine people are now itching to point out to me that newer games have done much better in many other regards, but that is not the point here. We are talking about this particular standard and none other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:15:29 No.36771442 Report

Quoted By: >>36771490

>>36771430
>Subsequent games did not do it, therefore they failed to live up to the standard set by the previous games

Hoenn alone was larger than Kanto and Johto put together

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:15:40 No.36771445 Report

Quoted By: >>36771457 >>36771458

>>36771405
What difference does it make if they instead make an extra large region?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:18:27 No.36771457 Report

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>>36771445
None

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:18:35 No.36771458 Report

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>>36771445
Mechanically speaking it barely does, but atmospherically it feels quite significant to have your Pokémon journey span two different regions, and it also gives the developers an opportunity to use different cultural settings and plot points for a more varied game world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:24:20 No.36771490 Report

Quoted By: >>36783189

>>36771442
I think people see this because of the long routes and the water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:31:06 No.36771545 Report

Quoted By: >>36772755

>>36771430
the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:33:08 No.36771561 Report

Quoted By: >>36773383

>>36771411
Yes, but good isn't great, or awesome, or perfect.

Obviously most of us liked it, but that doesn't mean it was executed correctly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 06:53:18 No.36772755 Report

Quoted By: >>36778903

>>36771545
What? Are you so unused to seeing actual Pokémon discussion here that it just leaves you dumbfounded or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 11:09:11 No.36773383 Report

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>>36771561
>correctlyfag
Can you fuck off?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 11:13:45 No.36773392 Report

Quoted By: >>36774389

>>36771405
It was shit in HGSS too so technically it has never been done well. It's empty and there is nothing to do. You do the gym battles which suck then what else is there to do that's fun?

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy

Brett !!TORtoOQMEfy Wed 17 Oct 2018 15:32:39 No.36774389 Report

Quoted By: >>36781801

>>36773392
It's pretty cool to see what happened to Kanto over the years, don't you think? It was nice for lorefags like myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 15:34:18 No.36774396 Report

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>destroys a graveyard for a radio tower

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 17:58:44 No.36775192 Report

Quoted By: >>36778616 >>36779899

the postgame island in Sinnoh was better

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 23:50:56 No.36778616 Report

Quoted By: >>36778734 >>36779899

>>36775192
I think two regions plus a sub-region a la Sevii Islands or the Battle Zone would be the ideal size for the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:10:05 No.36778734 Report

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>>36778616
I agree with you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:18:05 No.36778807 Report

Quoted By: >>36778825 >>36778842

>>36771405
So is Sinnoh on the same land mass as Kanto and Johto, just to the north?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:19:53 No.36778825 Report

Quoted By: >>36778842 >>36778893

>>36778807
Shinou is hokkaido;
Kantou is literally kantou, houen is chigoku i think
Just look at a map of japan

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:21:54 No.36778842 Report

Quoted By: >>36778893

>>36778807
>>36778825

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:28:01 No.36778893 Report

Quoted By: >>36778946

>>36778825
>>36778842
I know about it being based off of Japan's geography, but the NSEW of Hoenn not lining up always made me wonder.
That mountain range that extends off the southern boarder of Sinnoh, does it actually go down into the same mountain range located to the north of Kanto and Johto?

Why is Sinnoh's southern boarder always obscured?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:28:45 No.36778903 Report

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>>36772755
shut the fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:32:17 No.36778931 Report

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>tfw still no Sinnoh+Johto game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:35:02 No.36778946 Report

Quoted By: >>36779008 >>36779221 >>36780604 >>36782911

>>36778893
Its wonky cause each region gets flipped around in a different way.
I dont think that mountain range extends but its possible?
After HGSS I was certain generation 5 would explore the space between kantou/jouto but obviously they didn't....ive been looking forward to it ever since; I wanted to see poke-japan completed but it doesn't look like its ever happening

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:42:35 No.36779008 Report

Quoted By: >>36779035 >>36779088

>>36778946
Are the spin-off games actually based off of any geographical locations?

Feels like that was dropped after gen 4 and now it's just sort of the "theme" of a certain part of the world.
Like an amalgam of I assume the USA, then France, followed by Hawaii.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:46:22 No.36779035 Report

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>>36779008
>Are the spin-off games actually based off of any geographical locations?
To be honest, I dont think so

Yeah the "part of the world" thing is lame imo

Im a lore person and the post gen 5 lore is really really weak

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:51:27 No.36779079 Report

Quoted By: >>36779101

>>36771430
This, pokemon has a habit of pulling this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:52:26 No.36779088 Report

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>>36779008
>Are the spin-off games actually based off of any geographical locations?

The Orre region in Colosseum and XD is based on Phoenix, Arizona

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 00:53:25 No.36779101 Report

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>>36779079
>still no walking pokemon

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 01:08:28 No.36779221 Report

Quoted By: >>36779342

>>36778946
Well, kinda know what they intended to do for the lands between Kanto and Sinnoh. That region is my favorite in Spaceworld demo, partly because it validates what I imagined there to be - unfriendly fauna inhabiting cold canyons and barren plains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 01:23:30 No.36779313 Report

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>>36771405
>>36771430
no fuck off johtoddler

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 01:27:23 No.36779342 Report

Quoted By: >>36779873

>>36779221
If only the northern most tip of Sinnoh is frozen, why would anything south of it be frozen too?

I see there's a lot of fanmade world maps, and I don't agree with many of them because they keep placing Sinnoh to the south of Hoenn for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 02:48:41 No.36779873 Report

Quoted By: >>36780143

>>36779342
I don't know if you leave in a tropical country, but in the regions of temperate climate snow falls every winter. It's not like there are constant sub-zero temperatures in north Hokkaido and everything south of that is never ever covered in snow.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 02:55:22 No.36779899 Report

Quoted By: >>36780165

>>36775192
very underrated honestly, it's the big reason why I stan Sinnoh so much
>>36778616
I agree heavy with this, fuck that would be great

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 03:51:44 No.36780143 Report

Quoted By: >>36782574

>>36779873
Snow never falls where I am. I have no concept of frozen water falling from the sky, only a swift hellscape of wind, flooding, and death preceding every season where it would become cold elsewhere.

But anyway, I'm talking about Sinnoh, not the island it's based upon. The northern tip of Sinnoh is always frozen so it'd make no sense whatsoever for it to be south of a tropical place like Hoenn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 03:58:51 No.36780165 Report

Quoted By: >>36780201 >>36780206 >>36783167

>>36779899
Still deciding if I should go back to Platinum. Give me reasons why I should and shouldn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 04:07:00 No.36780201 Report

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>>36780165
pros: great lore and atmosphere
cons: it will take away from your other poke games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 04:08:07 No.36780206 Report

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>>36780165
>Strongest selection of mons in its dex
>great atmosphere
>challenging
seriously if you like a challenge nuzlocke this shit
>for the most part each town has something to offer
>great music

if you emulate it get all the events too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 05:37:57 No.36780604 Report

Quoted By: >>36781038

>>36778946
I'm fucking sick of seeing maps with the Orange Islands. They aren't in the game, they are anime exclusive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 07:18:22 No.36781038 Report

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>>36780604
Hey thats just a map that (stupidly) tries to put all the "important" locations in japan
As far as im concerned the sevii islands are the orange islands, although I'd love for the orange islands to actually appear in a game

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 11:07:16 No.36781794 Report

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>>36771405
>Two regions is still a necessary thing to make an acceptable game
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 11:09:17 No.36781801 Report

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>>36774389
It's nice but it ruins the level curve for Johto and Kanto is still pretty empty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 11:24:26 No.36781859 Report

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>>36771405
Frlg kanto and sinnoh did the post game islands thing which is good too.
I think the key here is having some locations thematically disconnected from the main region.
Hoehn lack this with its tropical climate, unova second half has good content but felt hardly disconnected and kalos is a mess.
Alola with its varied islands is quite good at this, but suffers from having barebones routes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 14:14:14 No.36782574 Report

Quoted By: >>36783482

>>36780143
I agree (though note that the Battle Zone is a tropical area north of Sinnoh, but that's probably because of volcanic activity), but you stated this argument in response to the post where I provided the actual prototype map, so I don't really know what you're arguing against. Prototype Hoenn is clearly southwest of prototype SInnoh, because the game world was based on real-life Japan. So that throws any musings about Sinnoh south of the previous regions out the window.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 14:57:28 No.36782846 Report

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It's always going to be infeasible because level curves are a bitch to get right. Either everything is way too weak like in Gen II or things are at absurd levels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 15:05:24 No.36782893 Report

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I don't get why GF dropped two regions especially in third versions, they could easily create filler sub region to the main region

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 15:07:47 No.36782911 Report

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>>36778946

This map is better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 15:54:06 No.36783167 Report

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>>36780165
cons: worst region, play a better game
pros: it's not diamond or pearl

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 15:59:02 No.36783189 Report

Quoted By: >>36784180

>>36771490
This is Route 7 from Kanto.
I am pretty sure most routes in Hoenn are bigger that this easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 16:24:23 No.36783315 Report

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>>36771405
It was strange not being able to go back to johto but Hoenn was so expansive it was fine.
I agree they should start doing neighboring regions or at least add more locations into third versions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 16:25:12 No.36783321 Report

Quoted By: >>36783550

>>36771405
Gen 2 pokemom can only be found in kanto....
Are they gen one or gen 2 pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 16:46:26 No.36783461 Report

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>>36771430
>Red and Blue had one region. Therefore they set a standard. Gold and Silver did not do it, therefore they failed to live up to the standard set by the previous games

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 16:48:23 No.36783482 Report

Quoted By: >>36783550

>>36782574
My reaction to the prototype map you posted was just me wondering why the land between Kanto and Sinnoh would be frozen.

The thing about the fanmade maps I mentioned was directed at whatever you usually get with an image search and like half of them have Sinnoh south of Hoenn. Apparently Sinnoh is its own island, so that just leaves me wondering again why the southern most point of it is always obscured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 16:57:08 No.36783550 Report

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>>36783482
I didn't say it would be frozen, I said it would be cold and barren. Latitude is not the only factor for a given region's climate. Nevertheless, you can see clearly that the northern parts are experiencing winter, nothing there implies permafrost.

>>36783321
There are Gen 1 Pokemon that aren't even native to Kanto, like Jynx, Lickitung and Scyther, so just because it's a gen 2 Pokemon doesn't mean it should be confined to the gen 2 region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 18:03:30 No.36784180 Report

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>>36783189
Wow, it's so small you can't even see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 18 Oct 2018 18:44:45 No.36784572 Report

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Alola is basically 4 regions by that logic. Would it be one region, or two smaller ones, doesn't matter. Stop having this infantile view on how games should be just because a game that pales in comparison when it comes to content compared to modern installments did something 2 decades ago.

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