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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:15:21 No.36791874 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>36791912 >>36791917 >>36791924 >>36791941 >>36791955 >>36791968 >>36791976 >>36792319 >>36792685 >>36792714 >>36796086 >>36796202 >>36796213 >>36796219 >>36796235 >>36797515 >>36799175 >>36799205

Be honest... Fire starters keep getting better and better how will that ever top Incineroar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:17:36 No.36791898 Report

Quoted By: >>36791903 >>36791908 >>36791923 >>36797480 >>36797549

Heatmor is cooler than those 3 and has an exclusive Fire Type move all to himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:18:23 No.36791903 Report

Quoted By: >>36791910

>>36791898
Heatmor isn't a starter you fuck face

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:19:11 No.36791908 Report

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>>36791898
peak contrarian

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:19:26 No.36791910 Report

Quoted By: >>36791936 >>36792345

>>36791903
And yet he's better
So why are you not liking Heatmor more? Is it perhaps because you are a baby that needs to be given Pokémon to feel special?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:19:35 No.36791912 Report

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>>36791874
>Delshit better than Emboar

Yeah no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:20:00 No.36791917 Report

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>>36791874
Emboar is meh
Delphox is shit
Incineroar is B A S E D

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:20:55 No.36791923 Report

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>>36791898
Emboar also has an exclusive Fire Type move all to himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:21:10 No.36791924 Report

Quoted By: >>36792639

>>36791874
What's with the Incine-spam lately? Although he is the best of that trio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:23:10 No.36791936 Report

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>>36791910
I would've liked Heatmor a little more if it wasn't an endgame mon, by the time I even discovered what a Heatmor is I already had the best Fire Type in Unova.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:23:47 No.36791941 Report

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>>36791874
I don't know about that one chief, he got goody clown hands with claws and I just can't bring myself to like him. plus in my opinion, he looks like he's from a completely different line of pokemon than his pre-evos.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:24:02 No.36791942 Report

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Y'all just mad my nigga got more hype than your fave

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:24:32 No.36791946 Report

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I think Infernape is still my favourite overall
He's just so dynamic and cool, the other fire starters seem simply sluggish or boring by comparison
I wish we had gotten good animation in the pokemon anime earlier, the infernape fight scenes deserve to be way better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:27:36 No.36791955 Report

Quoted By: >>36791959

>>36791874
Emboar still looks like an animal and you still can imagine being male or female.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:28:24 No.36791959 Report

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>>36791955
I like females with beards too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:31:41 No.36791968 Report

Quoted By: >>36791980

>>36791874
I'll never understand the obsession people have with starters.
Regardless, Delphox and Incineroar are shit.
The giant ear hair and weird hair-dress just make the whole design weirdly balanced and makes its head look way too small.
Incineroar's gigantic fursuit paws look terrible.
The stripes on its arms, legs, and tail don't look like tiger stripes and just look like some sort of clothing pattern.
The fire-belt just looks like a cheesy prop than actual fire.
The colossal fluff around its head also dwarfs its head in a similar way to Delphox.
Its grey torso comes out of nowhere and doesn't match the rest of its palette.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:33:16 No.36791976 Report

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>>36791874
I want to like Delphox. A wizard fox sounds like a cool idea but the design is bad. Just a few tweaks and it could like halfway decent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:33:32 No.36791980 Report

Quoted By: >>36792034

>>36791968
Also, Delphox and Incineroar both have the problem that they both look more like designs for an individual animal-person rather than a wide-spread species found in the wild.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:36:02 No.36791990 Report

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Best bros

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:41:09 No.36792025 Report

Quoted By: >>36792027

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:41:40 No.36792027 Report

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>>36792025
Based and true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:42:32 No.36792034 Report

Quoted By: >>36792042 >>36792052

>>36791980
I need a real none bait explanation on why this is such a turn off to a desgin, I get the whole "catching and taming wild beasts" being one of the things that attracts people to the franchise, but that never applied to your starter, it's always given to you and will always be your trusted partner instead of a wild beast, and many treat them as such, while others just choose whoever looks good to them, not who you can find naturally in the wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:44:09 No.36792042 Report

Quoted By: >>36792052

>>36792034
it's /vp/, it's just shitposting. If these people designed Pokemon the franchise would've been dead a long, long time ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:46:22 No.36792052 Report

Quoted By: >>36792121 >>36792143 >>36792639 >>36792732

>>36792034
Because every pokemon should have a unified design concept.
It's not even so much that every pokemon has to be a "wild beast", it's just that they have extremely specific shitty designs. The only pokemon this works on are species which are meant to be single characters, like legendaries.
>>36792042
>anyone who doesn't agree with me is shitposting
Epic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:55:33 No.36792121 Report

Quoted By: >>36792297

>>36792052
I feel like starters can get away with it because they are starters, again, many treat them as partners and some go as far as fursonas, it's what make them different than the random pokemon you encounter in the wild.
I won't argue about how that's a good or bad thing, it's all about taste after all, but I can see why they would do it, and why it's been working.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 19:57:54 No.36792143 Report

Quoted By: >>36792163

>>36792052
Considering Kukui's and Cross's Incineroars have very different personalities by now, it looks like you're obviously and clearly wrong on terms of 'single characters' and 'specific shitty designs'. Also, I didn't know you knew how to design pokemon better than Game Freak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:00:26 No.36792163 Report

Quoted By: >>36792188 >>36792717

>>36792143
>These two characters in the anime have different personalities, therefore complaints about their design are null and void!
>Also, you can't critique something if you haven't made it yourself.
Based retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:04:17 No.36792188 Report

Quoted By: >>36792226

>>36792163
>gets called out on a shitty idea like "unified design concept"
>has no proof he can make pokemon designs better or his "unified design concept" would work
>just goes straight to personal insults

Sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:08:27 No.36792226 Report

Quoted By: >>36792305

>>36792188
>His only counter-argument is that there's some characters in the anime with different personalities
>Something as basic as "fictional species looking like fictional species and not my special snowflake OC" confuses him
>Gets upset because someone called him a retard

Funny!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:17:36 No.36792297 Report

Quoted By: >>36792334

>>36792121
But every pokemon can fit that bill that isn't just a fish or bird I mean Lucario is used a lot and he looks like he's a one note pokemon and seeing baracat be goofy or evil works well

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:20:16 No.36792305 Report

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>>36792226
Oh, you’re one of those idiots who wants Pokémon to be nothing but real life animals colored their typing color. That explains everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:22:45 No.36792319 Report

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>>36791874
And yet Charizard Blaziken and Infernape still better than Incelroar.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:25:00 No.36792334 Report

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>>36792297
What makes them different (alongside Lucario) is how you basically only get one until the end of the game, versus stuff you find constantly in the wild, not to say that other wild mons can't be partners or fursonas, just that it works better for starters, that's why I think it's acceptable at most, as anon pointed out, it works on legenaries because they're a single most of the time, and starters are the closest thing to that you have after the legendaries themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:25:58 No.36792345 Report

Quoted By: >>36792350 >>36797578

>>36791910
Because Heatmor is
1. bad design
2. unappealing
3. late-game mon
4. no evolution family
5. bad design

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:26:38 No.36792348 Report

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Delphox and Emboar were good concepts with disappointing execution. Roar on the other hand gets better the more you look into it and its line.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 20:27:20 No.36792350 Report

Quoted By: >>36792661

>>36792345
Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:09:37 No.36792639 Report

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>>36791924
Smash hype and to combat the Incine hate threads. This site is a fucking minefield

>>36792052
>unified design concept
What the fuck does that even mean? That they should be based on one thing and have no variation on it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:12:13 No.36792661 Report

Quoted By: >>36792679

>>36792350
Eatmor shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:13:49 No.36792679 Report

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>>36792661
>pt 1 and 5 are the same
Ok retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:14:50 No.36792685 Report

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>>36791874

Both Emboar and Incineroar look like garbage

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:15:50 No.36792693 Report

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Final evolutions for Fire starters peaked with Infernape.

Going from garbage to shit to flavorless gelatin isn’t much of an improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:18:17 No.36792714 Report

Quoted By: >>36792762

>>36791874
damn this is actually pretty sad for anyone who likes to start with the fire choice, the designs get worse and worse every gen.
such cute pre evolutions too what a shame

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:18:32 No.36792717 Report

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>>36792163
He's kinda right tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:21:20 No.36792732 Report

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>>36792052
Tell us what this "unified design concept" should be, I feel like laughing at you.

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Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:23:28 No.36792744 Report

Quoted By: >>36799303

The only fire starters I actually like are charizard and infernape. I think a snake would be tough to fuck up, they should do one of those. Even if they gave it legs, lizards are cool, and they'd probably be relatively unobtrusive like serperior's so it'd be tough to make into a fursuitmon. They could ruin it by making it waifubait though. Serperior isn't even really feminine and look at how the degenerates latched onto that. Imagine something with mascara or whatever.

Pic related isn't perfect, but it's not horrible which means it's already better than whatever we're going to get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:25:57 No.36792762 Report

Quoted By: >>36792823

>>36792714
I don't know man, I've heard those 3 did better in playthroughts and are more fun than their counterparts.
This is actually true to almost all fire starters in fact.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:33:56 No.36792823 Report

Quoted By: >>36792898

>>36792762
>emboar
it's good, but it's brutally outclassed the moment you get darmanitan
>delphox
you could make an argument for this one, though honestly you could drop whatever starter you picked for a Kanto one with a mega and you'd do even better. None of the gen 6 starters are standouts ingame.
>incineroar
primarina wipes the floor with Alola. Not quite infernape tier, but damn good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 21:43:35 No.36792898 Report

Quoted By: >>36794787

>>36792823
Every starter is outclassed by other ingame mons (except Infernape) though.
To be fair I don't have much experience with Emboar or Delphox but Serperior was relativaly painful to use, Greninja was fine I suppose, Incineroar ran through the game for me however, especially with Hawlucha in USUM.
I just find early game fire types or just fire types in general very useful, looking at the wild encounters of each region and other notable characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Oct 2018 22:02:23 No.36793012 Report

Quoted By: >>36801134

charizard and typhlosion are the only good fire starter designs.

Infernape is passable, but barely.

Litten had potential then they revealed incineroar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 04:23:52 No.36794787 Report

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>>36792898
I disagree, many starters can stand on their own merits. Venusaur competes with exeggutor but neither outclass each other, charizard is the best fire type until legendaries, sceptile is far and away the best grass type in Hoenn, blaziken is the best fire type, swampert is the best water type (again until legendaries). As for the later gens, torterra is only outclassed because it's a ground type quad weak to ice when garchomp exists, and again, primarina is an absolute monster in game. Not a fan of the design, but it tears ass in SM and USM. Incineroar is good too, but it's like comparing blaziken or sceptile (pretty good) to swampert (godly in game).
Agree totally on serperior, which is a shame since it's the only one of the three I like. Same for greninja; it's another empoleon situation where it's genuinely better as an HM slave than a fighter.

You're also right on your last point, I'm just trying to look at the whole picture.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 04:25:03 No.36794794 Report

Quoted By: >>36796219 >>36799301

how do people honestly think like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 04:28:48 No.36794810 Report

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>tfw there never be another good fire starter

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 11:48:09 No.36796086 Report

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>>36791874
Gen 8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 11:59:53 No.36796122 Report

Quoted By: >>36796198

Best to worst

1 - Charizard
2 - Incineroar
3 - Delphox
4 - Typhlosion
5 - Infernape
6 - Blaziken
7 - Emboar

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:28:07 No.36796194 Report

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Fire starters are just a south west straight line. And said line wasn’t that high to begin with compared with Grass and Water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:29:51 No.36796198 Report

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>>36796122
I’d agree with this but I don’t think Blaziken deserves to be that low

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:30:50 No.36796202 Report

Quoted By: >>36796209

>>36791874
Incineroar isn't just the worst fully evolved starter.

He's one of the worst pokemon.

Because he's a slightly obese man in a fursuit wearing a wifebeater.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:35:17 No.36796209 Report

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>>36796202
Nah Incineroar is beast in Doubles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:36:02 No.36796213 Report

Quoted By: >>36796217

>>36791874
The last good fire starter was infernape it changed enough to feel different but kept the appeal of the early stages starters in general peaked at gen 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:38:53 No.36796217 Report

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>>36796213
Nah, Infernape is when they started being shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:40:11 No.36796219 Report

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>>36791874
Incineroar is a return to form from the dark ages of gens 4-6. I really hope I don't have to go back to the water type in gen 8.

>>36794794
My least favorite fire starter. The whole line is ugly in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:47:43 No.36796235 Report

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>>36791874
All of the Fire Starters are "meh" to shit. Delphox is the only one I can sort of tolerate.

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Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:01:31 No.36797480 Report

Quoted By: >>36797554

>>36791898
the main problem with heatmot is its stat distribution
slow frail sweeper is just wrong
also fire lash (whichi is a GREAT move) is a physical move despite the fact its special attack is higher than the physical one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:05:06 No.36797496 Report

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I think he’s neat.
I picked Litten because he looks like my cat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:09:47 No.36797515 Report

Quoted By:

>>36791874
Incineroar is the ugliest pokemon ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:13:09 No.36797534 Report

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I want a Fire/Water alpaca with steam "hair"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:16:38 No.36797549 Report

Quoted By: >>36797565 >>36799411

Gen 1-4 >Delphox > Baracat > Fat fuck
>>36791898
Only better than the pig and cool is the last word I would use to describe that derpy fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:17:35 No.36797554 Report

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>>36797480

Difference between Atk and SpA are negligible for Heatmor, and physical attacks are better with fire types because they're immune to burn
Swap SpA with Spe and you've got a great Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:19:34 No.36797565 Report

Quoted By: >>36797571

>>36797549
>Generic RPG dragon and Banana Badger
>Better than anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:21:16 No.36797571 Report

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>>36797565
Your insults make them more appealing desu senpai

Joe

Joe Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:22:08 No.36797578 Report

Quoted By: >>36797585

>>36792345
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 18:22:36 No.36797585 Report

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>>36797578
not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 22:59:16 No.36799175 Report

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>>36791874
Braixen is the only decent fire starter since gen 4, Blaziken was the last good fire starter. Emboar is subpar, and Incineroar is furry garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:03:47 No.36799205 Report

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>>36791874
>thinks the owl is the best fire starter
yeah no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:14:31 No.36799283 Report

Quoted By: >>36799423

a fire pig is a decent enough concept but of that line the only one which looks anything like a pig is pignite and i don't really get the theming of it wearing a wrestling singlet and then into traditional chinese regal attire but ok. a fennec fox has been done and i don't see why it'd be fire type and the while the knight/mage/rogue thing was a nice idea, i don't see why a fennec fox would be a mage. maybe a straight up eurasian fox being a trickster, but that's been done way better with the zoroark thing of having a kitsune with kabuki/noh elements. and alakazam though an ambiguous design has fox elements. as for the cats, litten and torracat are nice designs and actually look like their design basis but i don't see the correlation between cats and fire plus the wrestling thing is so out of the blue and incineroar looks more like a mastiff than anything. charmander was nice because it showed progression i.e salamander to dragon. cyndaquil was pretty bland going from shrew/echidna to wolverine/ratel but i like it. blaziken is pretty awful b/c it looks like some dude in disco flares and tengu mask instead of a chicken. infernape is a pretty nice design and to my mind the best of the fire/fighting crew

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:16:58 No.36799301 Report

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>>36794794
because its a pokemon with a fire crown and plus its a reference to sun wukong
anyone who doesnt like infernape has shit taste

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:17:12 No.36799303 Report

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>>36792744
aye these are my mons good looks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:31:34 No.36799411 Report

Quoted By: >>36801258

>>36797549
Delshit better than anyone
Yeah no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:32:43 No.36799423 Report

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>>36799283
also forgot to add this but it's a biggie to me. i hate when they try and give mammalian pokemon fur which looks like clothes. just doesn't work. and delphox is the worst offender. but pangoro and gumshoos are up there too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 23:38:55 No.36799466 Report

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fierce and fuzzy cinny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 04:34:42 No.36801134 Report

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>>36793012
the truth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Oct 2018 05:10:11 No.36801258 Report

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>>36799411
The street cone can be appealing next to a fat pig and tony the tiger

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