>>36889541At least in VGC she can, there (when the meta is restricted enough Nidoking is a decent choice) they only use special Nidoking despite having a mediocre 85 SpA. I wouldn't say it overshadows it since the speed argument is tricky due to trick room shenanigans.
Either way both need to get the Beedrill treatment and get a little minmaxing, their stats are terribly mediore.
