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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:10:48 No.37079425 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>37079492 >>37079665 >>37079882 >>37079926 >>37079941 >>37080024 >>37080727

>there are no more EVs but candies instead
>candies are a good idea because you can decide how many points you want to boost that stat
>stat immediately increases instead of waiting to level up
>you have a max of 200 candies per stats
>there is no build variation anymore because you can just maximize any single stat

Why does this game have to ruin everything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:11:34 No.37079429 Report

Quoted By: >>37079440 >>37079444 >>37080133 >>37080739 >>37082312

Who cares, they're just spinoffs, just have fun you fucking incel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:14:33 No.37079440 Report

Quoted By: >>37081126 >>37082312

>>37079429
>they're just spinoffs
wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:15:12 No.37079444 Report

Quoted By: >>37081126

>>37079429
>they're just spinoff
>developers stated that's a mainline games
>the point of the post is that candies or something like that could be really better than EVs but not in this way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:16:24 No.37079448 Report

Quoted By: >>37079505 >>37079876 >>37080822 >>37081505 >>37083815

EV system sucks shit and making it so you don’t have to jump through hoops to make the build you’re trying to make is a good thing you autistic fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:24:59 No.37079492 Report

Quoted By: >>37079876

>>37079425
>>stat immediately increases instead of waiting to level up
Are we implying this matters before lv 100?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:27:15 No.37079505 Report

Quoted By: >>37079538

>>37079448
Just because your baby brain can't do the math on a good EV spread doesn't mean everyone else should be brought down to your retarded level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:37:12 No.37079538 Report

Quoted By: >>37079544

>>37079505
Just because it's annoying to do doesn't make you smart by doing it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 08:38:39 No.37079544 Report

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>>37079538
It doesn't require you to be smart at all I'm just calling you a retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 09:11:18 No.37079665 Report

Quoted By: >>37079705

>>37079425

In the other games people just drop off pokemon at the polego or hack them the way they want. So, what's the real difference?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 09:21:20 No.37079705 Report

Quoted By: >>37079914

>>37079665
The difference is that it does nothing but overpower your pokemon in single player. EVs are for making pokemon capable of different roles in competitive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:14:57 No.37079876 Report

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>>37079448
Indeed EV sucks, but this candies system is wasted since they have no really limits in spread, and it's 200 per stat, this means there are no more different build but just pokémons on steroids.
>>37079492
Yes, a lot, since you can have a low level pokémon but with an higher stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:16:46 No.37079882 Report

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>>37079425
>>stat immediately increases instead of waiting to level up
Hasn't that been the case since at least gen 6?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:34:28 No.37079914 Report

Quoted By: >>37079935 >>37080759 >>37080783 >>37080810 >>37080837

>>37079705
>EV's are for making pokemon capable in different roles in competitive.
Competitive should be more like LGPE (And for the record, its 200 stats total that can be boosted, not 200 per stat) where you can either play with candy boosted or just regular pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:38:15 No.37079926 Report

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>>37079425
I've seen a bunch of people say that the new stat system is actually deeper because now you can max out every stat

I've unfollowed a lot of people on social media in the last week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:40:32 No.37079935 Report

Quoted By: >>37081187

>>37079914
>And for the record, its 200 stats total that can be boosted, not 200 per stat
That's not correct. In No Restrictions gameplay, you can have 200HP AVs, 200Atk AVs, 200Def AVs, 200SpA AVs, 200SpD AVs AND 200Spe AVs.

If there was a combined maximum of, say, 500, then year it would actually have reasonable depth. But there isn't. It's just perfect or imperfect.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 10:44:33 No.37079941 Report

Quoted By: >>37080003

>>37079425
>only candies now
who ever said candies were bad for pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:10:44 No.37080003 Report

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>>37079941
Me (OP) neither indeed, i'm just saying how it's wasted in the execution, since the limit is per stats, not in the total.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:20:22 No.37080024 Report

Quoted By: >>37080117

>>37079425
>stat immediately increases instead of waiting to level up
Haven’t EVs done this since Gen6? It might have been Gen5...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:21:16 No.37080028 Report

Quoted By: >>37080706

I don't see the problem?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:23:36 No.37080046 Report

Quoted By: >>37080061

Mixed attackers are finally good again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:26:09 No.37080061 Report

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>>37080046
>being an attacker
>not balking your hp and defences to stall

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:38:37 No.37080117 Report

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>>37080024
Yes, it's been like that since Gen 5.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:39:18 No.37080119 Report

Quoted By: >>37080150

It's probably an experiment to see how it works/how plebs react compared to the kind of unnatural feeling EV-training(although I liked super training, I've been doing EV training since Gen III when nobody knew what that was). I legit don't care for competitive Pokémon anymore because it's draining that my favorites are always shit and everyone uses the same stuff. So ultimately i guess what I'm saying is I don't give a shit if this stays.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:42:22 No.37080133 Report

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>>37079429
let /vp/ complain about shit

they need something to bitch about to get them tasty replies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 11:49:51 No.37080150 Report

Quoted By: >>37080768

>>37080119
The problem is Game Freak not understanding the pros and cons of EVs
The good thing about the candy system is how simple and intuitive it is
The bad thing is that the lack of combined total makes team designing shallower

Knowing Game Freak, they will completely misunderstand what people do and don't like, and in the next games make EVs still hard to add, but remove the combined cap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:09:13 No.37080706 Report

Quoted By: >>37080848

>>37080028
The problem is that you will have pokémon with +200 on every stats without any build or combination. They shoul've given to the candies some limits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:13:18 No.37080727 Report

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>>37079425
>candies are a good idea
Have you grinded for candies?, with all the catching I didn in 1 hour of 1 POKEMON I could have easily full EV trained 3 Pokmone in even USUM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:16:11 No.37080739 Report

Quoted By: >>37081126

>>37079429
They aren't spin-offs.
And if they were they are still shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:20:28 No.37080756 Report

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I thought the candy system was meant to mimic gen 1 DVs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:21:42 No.37080759 Report

Quoted By: >>37080804 >>37082215

>>37079914
You sure?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:23:07 No.37080768 Report

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>>37080150
honestly good thing is a fact, that NFE pokemon will shine with the fixed stats system

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:25:39 No.37080783 Report

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>>37079914
>Competitive should be more like LGPE (And for the record, its 200 stats total that can be boosted, not 200 per stat)
Idiot.
Yeah, and a competitive meta where there is Stealth Rock but no its removal sure is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:29:47 No.37080804 Report

Quoted By: >>37080828

>>37080759
EVs may be complicated but this is fucking ridiculous, just get rid of both. Honestly, what are the cons of just cutting it all together?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:30:47 No.37080810 Report

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>>37079914
>(And for the record, its 200 stats total that can be boosted, not 200 per stat)
It's literally not, that's the entire problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:34:04 No.37080822 Report

Quoted By: >>37081077 >>37081147

>>37079448
This. Literally dropped Pokémon for three generations the day I found out about EVs. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put invisible stats on every Pokémon that if you don't spend an hour grinding and manipulating, your Pokémon is permanently fucked for ANY battling whatsoever? Who the fuck thought this was acceptable?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:34:17 No.37080823 Report

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DVs did it better. Actually incentivized seeking out all types to fight, made intuitive sense ("trained Pokemon are stronger than wild ones, the more you battle the stronger you get"), fit the story thematically and the bonuses to each stat weren't as big. 252 EVs are only 62 HP, not +200.
Capping EVs is what created the first major split between casual and competitive players. It was thoroughly retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:35:22 No.37080828 Report

Quoted By:

>>37080804

When you think about it, they effectively did get rid of EVs by doing this. Every pokemon now is just IVs+200.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:36:47 No.37080837 Report

Quoted By:

>>37079914
>(And for the record, its 200 stats total that can be boosted, not 200 per stat)
In case the other 4 anons didn't hammer this in enough, this is objectively and demonstrably wrong. It's 200 per stat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:38:31 No.37080848 Report

Quoted By: >>37080869 >>37080979

>>37080706
>They shoul've given to the candies some limits.
Nah. That's retarded. EVs working the way they did just basically turned Pokémon into a coin flip of "Stall tactics" or "Glass Canon".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:41:11 No.37080869 Report

Quoted By: >>37080890 >>37080912

>>37080848
>EVs working the way they did just basically turned Pokémon into a coin flip of "Stall tactics" or "Glass Canon".

t. never play any competitive
There are certain EV spreads to handle meta you dumbfuck. Now with the way AV is, everything will be stallfests. Have fun with your hours long match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:44:54 No.37080890 Report

Quoted By: >>37080905

>>37080869
t. Doesn't play competitive

I know you don't actually play, because if you tried, you'd realize that AVs don't carry into battle. It just uses base stats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:48:14 No.37080905 Report

Quoted By: >>37081063

>>37080890
t. didn't even touch the game.

there are modes where you can use AVs. Even without AV and EV, every pokemon will be boring shit because nature is the only difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 14:49:50 No.37080912 Report

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>>37080869

This is basically the same EV system that Gen 1 and 2 used before. It's probably partially to mimic the old games and also probably to support the 151 master trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:03:53 No.37080979 Report

Quoted By: >>37081063

>>37080848
Still better than not having options at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:19:52 No.37081063 Report

Quoted By: >>37081115 >>37083685

>>37080979
It's literally not. It's there to fuck over the player and cater to dataminer and strategy guide holder. It's gotten a little better over time, but it's a retarded element that needs to be dropped. And "Build" doesn't really fucking matter because there are a HANDFUL of actual Pokémon that are usable where it makes a difference. Everyone else just minmaxes their one good stat. It's not like EVs let you over build on a stat, it just makes sure you tend to suck at other stats

>>37080905
>there are modes where you can use AVs
Yeah, casual modes.
>Even without AV and EV, every pokemon will be boring shit because nature is the only difference.
Natures should also be removed or become changeable. Nothing is more retarded than having a personality stat that a new player doesn't know about dictate if their new best friend is going to be shit in any battle. Even with the knowledge, it's still retarded because I love resetting the game 6 times to make sure my starter isn't a drooling invalid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:20:09 No.37081064 Report

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>Remove IVs
>Limit EVs for 50 per stat and a maximum of 120 per Pokemon.
>Candies return. The bigger the candy, the more EVs it gives.
>After defeating any wild Pokemon, you get a stat candy based on that Pokemon's stats (pretty much like regular EVs). If it's an evolved form, you get bigger candies. This also works with SOS and Horde encounters.
>After catching any wild Pokemon, you get that Pokemon's candy. If it's an evolved form, it gives you more candies.
>You can sell or trade regular candies for blank candies so you can reset stats.
>Trainer battles give more Exp. Points than wild encounters.

There. Fixed. Now trainer battles don't mess up your party's stat distribution and are more useful than wild grinding for experience, and you can get easy EVs for your weaker Pokemon with just wild encounters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:22:43 No.37081077 Report

Quoted By: >>37081109

>>37080822
IVs are literally worse and they kept those.
EVs aren't permanent at all and in Gen VII can literally be raised without playing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:31:32 No.37081109 Report

Quoted By: >>37082114 >>37082424

>>37081077
>IVs are literally worse and they kept those.
You're right. They should have dropped those as well. But at least they're not invisible anymore like they were in the earlier games, and even better you can actually do something about them now in multiple ways. Though the bottlecap method is absolutely retarded the amount of hoops you have to jump through.
>EVs aren't permanent at all and in Gen VII can literally be raised without playing.
Gen 7's method is something I would put into the hoops category, because what the ever loving fuck do you mean you have to grind and feed them berries? Boy, I sure love having to farm and grind berries for literal days to make my bro not shit anymore!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:32:23 No.37081115 Report

Quoted By: >>37081124

>>37081063
>Natures should also be removed or become changeable
Have fun with your boring meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:33:50 No.37081124 Report

Quoted By: >>37081137

>>37081115
*Comes back from reading the 7 ubers and the 14 OU Pokémon with the same builds from the last 6 generations*
Huh? Sorry, what were you saying about boring meta?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:34:04 No.37081126 Report

Quoted By: >>37081131

>>37079440
>>37079444
>>37080739
>it's not a spinoff because the devs say it's main-line canon
>this somehow negates all the core changes from the mainline series to construct a game that barely resembles the mainline series
>this is somehow not a spinoff
It's a spinoff that will be forgotten when gen8 releases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:35:06 No.37081131 Report

Quoted By: >>37081144

>>37081126
And remembered when the 2019 games are the last games in the 'classic' style.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:36:10 No.37081137 Report

Quoted By: >>37081298 >>37083974

>>37081124
There are different builds of them because EV you dumbass. And also.
>smogon
VGC is where it matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:37:55 No.37081144 Report

Quoted By: >>37081189

>>37081131
lolno
>rook, mirrions of prayer pray ret's go but no pray pokemon
>I know, we make ret's go pokemon game and get all those mirrions of dorrar
>we terr dem it's canon mainrine game
Literal money grub.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:38:41 No.37081147 Report

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>>37080822
>stopped playing single player when he found out about EVs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:45:03 No.37081187 Report

Quoted By: >>37081289

>>37079935
>imperfect.
How can something be imperfect? You're either perfect or you're not me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:45:16 No.37081189 Report

Quoted By: >>37081222

>>37081144

Masuda is done directing Pokemon games and it sounds like the very intention of LGPE was to set things up for the new director that will take over.

Basically, say goodbye to the Pokemon games you knew. The formula in Let's Go takes less dev time, and at the very least will end up with its own line of games. Let's Go: Johto is basically guaranteed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:49:18 No.37081222 Report

Quoted By: >>37081265 >>37081332

>>37081189
Let’s Go Johto would be a massive flop, people are only buying this game because nostalgia/genwun. All of the retarded shills say they don’t care about anything after 151 and not having new ones in the game isn’t a dealbreaker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 15:55:31 No.37081265 Report

Quoted By: >>37081310

>>37081222
I don't care about anything before 152

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 16:00:06 No.37081289 Report

Quoted By:

>>37081187
You got the quote wrong and it doesn't make sense in this context. Quit trying, that was embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 16:01:26 No.37081298 Report

Quoted By: >>37081922

>>37081137
>There are different builds of them because EV you dumbass.
Almost like my original statement of "It only benefits a small handful of Pokémon" meant something, retard.

Even then, those builds don't mean shit. 80% of it is just movepool, and then built stats to support the movepool. Without it, you'd still have the diversified movepools, you just wouldn't have to rebuild the Pokémon from scratch like a mouthbreathing autist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 16:03:51 No.37081310 Report

Quoted By:

>>37081265
Dunno about anyone else, but if they made Lets Go johto i’d buy that shit in a heartbeat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 16:08:39 No.37081332 Report

Quoted By:

>>37081222
>Implying johto doesn't have almost the exact same level of nostalgia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 16:35:13 No.37081505 Report

Quoted By:

>>37079448
>the reason GameFreak makes handholding games for toddlers is retarded boomers like you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 17:34:36 No.37081922 Report

Quoted By:

>>37081298
>Even then, those builds don't mean shit. 80% of it is just movepool, and then built stats to support the movepool

t. clearly never play any competitive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 18:00:03 No.37082114 Report

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>>37081109
>Put berries in pelago
>Wait a day or use the pelago exploit
>Hundreds of berries
The farm in pelago is so OP. It's how I farmed 999 leppa berries for chaining in practically no time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 18:13:34 No.37082215 Report

Quoted By:

>>37080759
This honestly takes a lot of work to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 18:23:55 No.37082312 Report

Quoted By:

>>37079429
>>37079440
The 2019 games following the Let's Go formula is the only thing that could convince me that they're not spin-offs marketed as mainline games so they could get away with being the most expensive in the series yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 18:35:51 No.37082424 Report

Quoted By:

>>37081109
Feeding them candies literally takes more effort than feeding them berries and then dropping them in the Pelago to EV train, but go off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 21:00:06 No.37083685 Report

Quoted By: >>37083755

>>37081063
>It's not like EVs let you over build on a stat, it just makes sure you tend to suck at other stats
And so it makes every pokémon more viable, if you just boost all the shit, then a lot of pokémon will be useless, since you can actually boost your defences instead of spreading just on damage and speed.
EVs spread make some difference, boosting all the stats will be like playing without doing it at all, since everybody will try to maximize those in their pokémons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 21:10:23 No.37083755 Report

Quoted By: >>37083930

>>37083685
>then a lot of pokémon will be useless
This is a hot lie. All of them are already useless no matter what you do. Addition of EVs literally doesn't change this. In fact, EVs forcing you to build does the opposite. It makes alot of Pokémon outright useless because their strength is in mixed attacking, or attacking while tanking all kinds of hits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 21:17:57 No.37083815 Report

Quoted By:

>>37079448
The Candy system is 1 step ahead, and 2 steps back.
Sure, you don’t need to grind on certain Pokemon with certain items held, but everything will have 200 in each (or 5/4 if you are a special attacker and/or trick room user) stat since the max AVs is 1,200.
Now splitting up your stat spread is 100% pointless. If your wall doesn’t wall a Pokemon naturally through their regular Base Stats, they can’t wall it at all. You can’t take some EVs from 1 stat that you know will let you tank/kill into another stat to survive more.
If your base stats suck, they suck harder now and there is no way to make them better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 21:32:43 No.37083930 Report

Quoted By: >>37084197

>>37083755
>All of them are already useless no matter what you do.
That's bullshit, since it happens that some player uses a pokémon some way just because he built it in that way and you can actually surprise the opponent with a different strategy or a different use of the pokémon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 21:37:34 No.37083974 Report

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>>37081137
Is VGC anything but double battles with theorymon rules?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Nov 2018 22:02:27 No.37084197 Report

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>>37083930
And then immediately get shut down by builds that aren't even made to counter that Pokémon because you made a meme-mon that's only strong suit is "Surprise!".

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