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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:11:50 No.37266611 View View Reply Original Report

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We have 3D now and our avatar can move in 8 directions. Why is the region's design still constrained within the original 2D models? Square rivers, square rocky corners, square cave paths, etc. GF should've redesigned the Kanto and Hoenn regions so that they look more natural without breaking the pattern of the elements present in every route, town and dungeon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:13:20 No.37266618 Report

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That takes work

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:14:12 No.37266622 Report

Quoted By: >>37266654 >>37267127 >>37267215

>>37266611
>GF should've redesigned Kanto
Normans would literally riot

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:23:11 No.37266652 Report

Quoted By: >>37266659 >>37266678 >>37266695

This was a game that I believe had about two years of work put into it, that was designed to attract the Generation One crowd, and Pokemon Go fans. The real Pokemon game that has been in production since before the Switch was a concept is being worked on still. That's where we are gonna see the improvements..

...hopefully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:23:57 No.37266654 Report

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>>37266622
lol they wouldn't care unless they redisgned the pokemon
oh wait, alolan forms and megas are in but nobody gives a shit
They only care when you tell them to

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:24:38 No.37266659 Report

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>>37266652
oh my i hadn't seen such hope in ages....bless you luv.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:25:02 No.37266662 Report

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while the camera is still locked it really doesn't matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:28:03 No.37266678 Report

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>>37266652
this guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:34:24 No.37266694 Report

Quoted By: >>37266707 >>37267163

Every time I think about Pokémon, I involuntarily think of Monolith Soft and the crazy amount of work they put into their worlds, writing, and environments and yet how they're considered just a pebble to the boulder that is Pokémon.

I think Pokémon also damaged the reputation of the 3DS. All those excuses for why it ran like ass, and people blamed the 3DS hardware rather than the almost complete lack of optimization. The 3DS could be a little beast at times with the stuff some developers made like Kid Icarus: Uprising, Smash, Xenoblade 3D, and that one studio that always tried to take advantage of every aspect of the hardware.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:34:53 No.37266695 Report

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>>37266652
lol this was literally this board when XY was announced

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 04:40:50 No.37266707 Report

Quoted By: >>37266859

>>37266694
>people blamed the 3DS hardware rather than the almost complete lack of optimization
Just people ignorant about things they're talking about as is the case about 97% of the time so it's not really a surprise.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:28:04 No.37266841 Report

Quoted By: >>37266886 >>37266893 >>37267310 >>37267481

Top = a large city in a Pokemon game on 3DS
Bottom = a large city in a pokemon game on Switch

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:29:38 No.37266845 Report

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Top = a small village in a Pokemon game on 3DS
Bottom = a medium city in a pokemon game on Switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:36:27 No.37266859 Report

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>>37266707
It's both anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:45:56 No.37266886 Report

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>>37266841
>>37266845
I don't see your point but man made places are fair game for looking square and straight.

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:50:42 No.37266893 Report

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>>37266841
>>37266845
I would prefer the grid design if we're sticking to top-down view and chibi models
If we're going full third person using HD models then using grid is unacceptable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:56:14 No.37266906 Report

Quoted By: >>37266936 >>37266982

>>37266611
People would go into a fit if the region wasn't a 1:1 recreation of what they remembered when they were younger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 05:56:46 No.37266908 Report

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the top 2 excuses for that are:
>they didn't want to change kanto
>small indie dev

for the first one i get it, nostalgia sells better when you have polished old stuff not new old stuff, but if they wanted to show how the switch can handle pokemon, remaking the map ala SM would really sell the idea of next gen power

the second one, despite being a meme, is still an excuse for many, implying that they deliver unpolished, half assed games because of dead lines, not enough developers or just inferior hardware to work with.

And yet other developers with the same conditions or worse happen to do the job well, sometimes even delivering more than they should, it is all about marketing, they know you will buy half assed games, and you will defend them at all cost, why even try when the consumers don't even care and actively try to silence anyone who does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 06:00:43 No.37266919 Report

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>>37266695
To be fair, for all of its problems gen 7 is leagues better in terms of technology than XY. The transition to 3D was a rough one and they did NOT know what the fuck they were doing with the camera.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 06:07:24 No.37266936 Report

Quoted By: >>37269778

>>37266906
I don't remember Yellow having a friendly rival.
I don't remember Yellow having two Special Stats.
I don't remember Yellow having three new types.
I don't remember Yellow having Megas or Alolan Forms.
I don't remember Yellow having Mina.
I don't remember Yellow not having Wild Battles.
I don't remember Yellow having Phys/Spec Move Split.
I don't remember Yellow not having Cycling Road or a Bike.
I don't remember Yellow having Gym Requirements.
I don't remember Yellow having mechanics from a mobile game.
I don't remember Yellow having a bunch of fade-outs, exposition dumps and free warps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 06:19:00 No.37266982 Report

Quoted By: >>37267193

>>37266906
LGPE was aimed at newcomers whose first game was PoGo

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:12:26 No.37267127 Report

Quoted By: >>37267130

>>37266611
>Why is the region's design still constrained within the original 2D models?
it's a remake/nostalgia trip so they went back to gridshit, the next games will probably be tile/gridless like SM
>GF should've redesigned the Kanto and Hoenn regions
completely agree and I really wish they did, Kanto deserves to be re-imagined as the superdense urban sprawl shithole it was meant to be, but maybe it's better they didn't try to do it this time because they've still got their heads in their asses remaking the same shitty game over and over again and we probably would have gotten a still pretty dull and empty region out of it
>>37266622
I still play GO frequently with large raid groups full of complete casuals and I've never met anyone who actually fits the /vp/ genwunner/normie stereotype, this shit is 100% a strawman constructed from cherrypicked twitter/facebook dipshit and troll posts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:14:37 No.37267130 Report

Quoted By: >>37267176

>>37267127
Of course, all the genwunners bailed as soon as they added Gen 2 Pokemon to the game.
All that's left now are the casuals and general GOfags.
Flashback to when GO first dropped and you'd get plenty of genwunner fucks as the majority.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:27:33 No.37267163 Report

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>>37266694
>Every time I think about Pokémon, I involuntarily think of Monolith Soft and the crazy amount of work they put into their worlds, writing, and environments and yet how they're considered just a pebble to the boulder that is Pokémon
Same. Lately, I've been imagining how a Pokemon game with Monolith as the overworld designers would look like. Really wish GF would approach them one day and ask them to work on that. And it doesn't have to be open world/sandbox meme either, just have the company make the map look gorgeous.
Don't tell me you wouldn't love to see a Pokemon route in the same artstyle as Guar Plains, Primordia, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:34:41 No.37267176 Report

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>>37267130
nah even before gen 2 I literally met nobody like that
nobody really cares, if anything GOnads got tired of kanto shit even more than most because there wasn't much content to the game at that time other than filling the dex and gymming

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:40:16 No.37267193 Report

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>>37266982
LGPE is literally Kanto for toddlers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 07:51:21 No.37267215 Report

Quoted By: >>37267275

>>37266622
Literally nobody has nostalgia for the fucking map layouts. The locations, sure, but nobody without CWC level autism would care that Kanto wasn't a tile-for-tile recreation of RGBY.
>oh boy, this house is exactly 6 tiles wide and 4 tiles tall, with exactly 7 tiles of fence to the right, and then a Cut tree 1 tile up an to the left! Just like it was when I played Blue when I was 8!
Nobody is gonna say this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 08:26:24 No.37267275 Report

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>>37267215
I mean, I could maybe see the occasional moron whining about a loss of "atmosphere" or feeling less nostalgic or whatever but I don't think it would severely impact sales as much as /vp/ or apparently Game Freak thinks it would. Pokémon has always been about the Pokémon, not the generally boring as fuck primitive tileset regions with no depth or interesting worldbuilding whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 08:31:34 No.37267286 Report

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>>37266611
>He only played LGPE ¬_¬

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 08:42:03 No.37267310 Report

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>>37266841
>>37266845
Bottom looks better

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Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 09:49:02 No.37267481 Report

Quoted By: >>37270570

>>37266841
>>37266845
top = a tiny group of empty/inaccessible buildings with no character inhabited by bland signposts that look like people
bottom = a tiny group of empty/inaccessible buildings with no character inhabited by bland signposts that look like people

the woke man recognizes both of these are shit and game freak just needs to die so the franchise can be passed on to people who actually know how to make a good 3D game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 09:52:21 No.37267488 Report

Quoted By: >>37267491

>>37266611
Is this board so stagnant that you faggots have to keep making the same threads over and over again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 09:53:41 No.37267491 Report

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>>37267488
/vp/ between hype seasons is garbage for anything but furry shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 10:17:01 No.37267568 Report

Quoted By: >>37267832 >>37270505

>>37266611
Because MUH NOSTALGIA XD

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 13:27:30 No.37267832 Report

Quoted By: >>37268292

>>37267568
>>37267568
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 16:18:40 No.37268292 Report

Quoted By: >>37268304 >>37269046 >>37269623

>>37267832
That's literally the reason they gave in interviews tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 16:23:00 No.37268304 Report

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>>37268292
That's not the actual reason though. You and me and everyone else knows that they chose 8 directions is because it takes way less effort and work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 19:53:03 No.37269046 Report

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>>37268292
If i wanted nostalgia i'd go back playing RBY

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 21:54:00 No.37269623 Report

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>>37268292
>believing GF's retarded excuses
You're like a dumb wife

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 22:03:16 No.37269690 Report

Quoted By: >>37269908 >>37270445

>>37266611
I get the feeling GF assumes if they remove the 2D terrain design, it would make Pokemon look generic. Just look at S&M, two of the most graphically generic games in the series. If the Switch had more horsepower, GF would be able to expand their designs closer to Sugimori's own style and therefore avoid the generic bs, but ofc the Switch just HAD to be severely underpowered like literally every Nintendo hardware since 2002.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 22:12:16 No.37269778 Report

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>>37266936
That’s true anon. However the game is still objectively terrible. I don’t remember Yellow being this shitty in comparison to the hardware it was made for either

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 26 Dec 2018 22:46:18 No.37269908 Report

Quoted By: >>37270473

>>37269690
>I get the feeling GF assumes if they remove the 2D terrain design, it would make Pokemon look generic. Just look at S&M, two of the most graphically generic games in the series

If you unironically think that the retarded Kanto map with four houses per city and straight lines as routes is better than the Alola map, you should seriously kys
Dumb hipster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 00:42:46 No.37270445 Report

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>>37269690
If being unapologetically stuck in the past is the only thing that makes a game stick out, it's a fucking garbage game.

S&M wasn't generic because the region design felt more real and cared about than just a bunch of different arrangements of the same repeating tiles, it was generic because they put all that effort into building that region and then filled it with absolutely fucking nothing of any real interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 00:47:48 No.37270472 Report

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>>37266611
codingu bery hardu
prease understandu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 00:47:53 No.37270473 Report

Quoted By: >>37270527

>>37269908
>the retarded Kanto map with four houses per city
Why do people pretend Alola was substantially different in this regard beyond having more empty/useless buildings to go into once and then never care about/remember again? Do you just play nothing but Pokémon? They're both pretty pathetic, honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 00:54:05 No.37270505 Report

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>>37267568
Nah, that's wrong. As much as we meme about geunwunners and KANTOOOO, literally nobody is obsessing over making sure Route 1 is tile-for-tile exactly the same, or that Cerulean city has the same number of houses, or any of that shit.

The real reason it's a tile-based 1:1 retread of Kanto is because GF are lazy, tile-based maps are easier to make, and doing it 1:1 means they don't have to put any time at all into map design. That's all there is to it, laziness.

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Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 00:59:04 No.37270527 Report

Quoted By: >>37270570

>>37270473
>Why do people pretend Alola was substantially different in this regard beyond having more empty/useless buildings to go into once and then never care about/remember again?

Because at least it was on scale and not in birdview, you magnificent subhuman
Meanwhile in let's go the mart building is the size of a van...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 01:07:12 No.37270570 Report

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>>37270527
But see >>37267481
Both are still pathetic piles of shit, so who cares if one pile also has corn in it? Neither feel any more alive or real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Dec 2018 09:41:46 No.37272708 Report

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>>37266611
Because Masuda.

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