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Do people unironically consider these two protagonist designs to be bad? I understand /vp/ & /v/ hate the games for being dumbed down to appeal to the casual market, but why do you guys pretend these designs suck? Is it just because the designs and the games are intrinsically linked within the Pokemon community's collective conscience? Or is it due to ya'll not wanting to come across as pedos? Or is it possibly some other reason that is somehow eluding me?